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KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
What are you gonna tell me next? That starvation in the world is not a problem because you think it's fun starving?

If the goal is to create buggy software why keep improving them at all? I mean you're telling me that things are fine as is? And speaking of which, this whole deal about the demos not working in other browsers should be *perfect* for you since you like to mess with stuff, right?

I didn't even look at the demos. Frankly, if I want to mess with HTML5, I'll probably make a few Canvas apps myself. I just find Apple's position and their demos contradictory. Open Standards blah blah blah, Download Safari to see HTML5 demos! Not everything has to be technical in life, I frankly can participate in conversations about other stuff than nerd porn sometimes. This is one of them. Forget the demos and how they are probably well executed and work fine on Safari or other browsers.

And the fact that Enlightenment version was 0.12 and 0.13 never struck you that it was far from finished ? The fact they moved that version to DR1x so that it didn't look as unfinished as it was ? The fact that rasterman rewrote DR17 about 200x times and still hasn't shipped it in 10 years ?

Enlightenment never was supposed to "just work" no matter what Rasterman claims. Rasterman is pretty much working for himself. The guy never was a top notch coder either. He's great with graphics though.

Instead of whining, why didn't you simply create the automake/autoconf files required and submitted them to the project ? Linux in 1995 was pretty much about devs feeding their own needs, not trying to make software usable by the masses. If that is what you were after, sure Linux might have seemed like Pure Hell to you.

I think the only huge troll here is you. You don't want to discuss, you just want people that aren't 100% in line with Apple to go away.
 

Gepper

macrumors member
Dec 7, 2009
79
0
I didn't even look at the demos. Frankly, if I want to mess with HTML5, I'll probably make a few Canvas apps myself. I just find Apple's position and their demos contradictory. Open Standards blah blah blah, Download Safari to see HTML5 demos! Not everything has to be technical in life, I frankly can participate in conversations about other stuff than nerd porn sometimes. This is one of them. Forget the demos and how they are probably well executed and work fine on Safari or other browsers.

And the fact that Enlightenment version was 0.12 and 0.13 never struck you that it was far from finished ? The fact they moved that version to DR1x so that it didn't look as unfinished as it was ? The fact that rasterman rewrote DR17 about 200x times and still hasn't shipped it in 10 years ?

Enlightenment never was supposed to "just work" no matter what Rasterman claims. Rasterman is pretty much working for himself. The guy never was a top notch coder either. He's great with graphics though.

Instead of whining, why didn't you simply create the automake/autoconf files required and submitted them to the project ? Linux in 1995 was pretty much about devs feeding their own needs, not trying to make software usable by the masses. If that is what you were after, sure Linux might have seemed like Pure Hell to you.

I think the only huge troll here is you. You don't want to discuss, you just want people that aren't 100% in line with Apple to go away.

Who said anything about expecting E to be stable at version 0.12? (And how i was supposed to know that E would be a mess in the future 16 years ago, i have no idea. can i borrow your crystal ball?)

The point is you are constantly twisting my words to make an argument. This discussion is regarding Apples technical demos on HTML 5 and you can't admit you are wrong and keep blabbering.
 

puffnstuff

macrumors 65816
Jan 2, 2008
1,469
0
I didn't even look at the demos. Frankly, if I want to mess with HTML5, I'll probably make a few Canvas apps myself. I just find Apple's position and their demos contradictory. Open Standards blah blah blah, Download Safari to see HTML5 demos! Not everything has to be technical in life, I frankly can participate in conversations about other stuff than nerd porn sometimes. This is one of them. Forget the demos and how they are probably well executed and work fine on Safari or other browsers.

And the fact that Enlightenment version was 0.12 and 0.13 never struck you that it was far from finished ? The fact they moved that version to DR1x so that it didn't look as unfinished as it was ? The fact that rasterman rewrote DR17 about 200x times and still hasn't shipped it in 10 years ?

Enlightenment never was supposed to "just work" no matter what Rasterman claims. Rasterman is pretty much working for himself. The guy never was a top notch coder either. He's great with graphics though.

Instead of whining, why didn't you simply create the automake/autoconf files required and submitted them to the project ? Linux in 1995 was pretty much about devs feeding their own needs, not trying to make software usable by the masses. If that is what you were after, sure Linux might have seemed like Pure Hell to you.

I think the only huge troll here is you. You don't want to discuss, you just want people that aren't 100% in line with Apple to go away.


It runs only in safari probably because it uses CSS3 animation which currently is webkit only. This is understandable since by the looks of this http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-animations/ CSS3 animation is being worked on by Apple they are going to use their own browser to test and work on it since it's not a standard yet.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
The point is you are constantly twisting my words to make an argument. This discussion is regarding Apples technical demos on HTML 5 and you can't admit you are wrong and keep blabbering.

Wrong ? Seems I'm not the only one sharing my opinion on Apple's HTML5 demos :

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/06/1344256

How can an opinion be wrong anyhow ? My discussion in this thread about these demos is not about facts about the demos, it's about my opinion regarding their position on HTML5 as an Open Standard and then locking it down to their platform.

Seems to me it's not so far fetched since the web is picking up on it too.
 

Gepper

macrumors member
Dec 7, 2009
79
0
Wrong ? Seems I'm not the only one sharing my opinion on Apple's HTML5 demos :

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/06/1344256

How can an opinion be wrong anyhow ? My discussion in this thread about these demos is not about facts about the demos, it's about my opinion regarding their position on HTML5 as an Open Standard and then locking it down to their platform.

Seems to me it's not so far fetched since the web is picking up on it too.

Yes, apparently there are more people like you.
 

Max(IT)

Suspended
Dec 8, 2009
8,551
1,662
Italy
I'm trying to figure out your point.

From your signature it looks like everything you own has been purchased within the LAST YEAR and a HALF! LOL

Do you really think everyone is like that?

Most Apple users keep products for 3-5 years! LOL

And ESPECIALLY in THIS ECONOMY they are!

my point is that it's quite reasonable to expect some glitches using HTML5 with an old architecture like a G5 (from 2005 !!! Dude we are in 2010 ... ).
Nonetheless, my Mini is quite a "low end" computer, in raw power, and it play the HTML5 Sublime video very well remaining well below 15% of cpu usage.

The same for the Apple demo trailer. Same trailer in YouTube requires about 30-40% cpu ! That's just RIDICULOUS , and ridiculous is to defend Flash ...


BTW, I usually change my Mac every 3 years. It seems to be reasonable for me.
 

HyperZboy

macrumors 65816
Feb 7, 2007
1,086
1
Somebody wake me when HTML5 does what Flash does.

Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft or Google should re-run that old Apple commercial of the PC users walking off a cliff because Flash attackers act like that.

Steve Jobs says its no good, so everyone nod in sync at the same time.

Good boy. :D
 

MorphingDragon

macrumors 603
Mar 27, 2009
5,160
6
The World Inbetween
You're saying when Flash was created, I could code up games and animations with vector graphics into RealPlayer and Quicktime ?

What are you smoking ? When Flash was created, Shockwave (by the same vendor) had an almost identical feature set. RealPlayer was a movie player. End of story. Flash didn't even play movies back then.

BTW, Adobe didn't create Flash in 2005 if that is what you're thinking. Look back a few years before.

Do you even know what it is you're talking about ? Then I'm going to get trolled because I remember stuff and not make it up on the spot.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/interactivity/
 

jimmyjoemccrow

macrumors 6502
Jul 15, 2009
372
0
Quicktime and Realplayer have always been resource hogs anyway. On windows at least. Maybe quicktime worked better on Macs.
 

BillyBobBongo

macrumors 68030
Jun 21, 2007
2,535
1,139
On The Interweb Thingy!
It's the geek in me...but I love this comic!
 

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Hal Itosis

macrumors 6502a
Feb 20, 2010
900
4
Steve Jobs says its no good, so everyone nod in sync at the same time.

Good boy. :D

What a limited knowledge base you bring to these forums... continuously parroting the same misinformation. Have you never heard of the Free Software Foundation? Do you actually believe companies (or organizations) like Opera (or Mozilla) are enamored of Flash? Nope, quite the opposite. They only "support" it simply because they have little (or no) choice. Apple is in a unique position to take names and kick tail, and that's the difference that matters. [Think different.] All your anti-Jobs rhetoric and fanboy taunts accomplish absolutely nothing... other than exhibit your extreme naïveté.

EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget Linux users.
 

Max(IT)

Suspended
Dec 8, 2009
8,551
1,662
Italy
Somebody wake me when HTML5 does what Flash does.

Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft or Google should re-run that old Apple commercial of the PC users walking off a cliff because Flash attackers act like that.

Steve Jobs says its no good, so everyone nod in sync at the same time.

Good boy. :D

Dude, I started using Click2Flash well before SJ said anything about Flash crapware ...
 

LagunaSol

macrumors 601
Apr 3, 2003
4,798
0
Dude, I started using Click2Flash well before SJ said anything about Flash crapware ...

Agreed. I thought Flash (on Mac) sucked long before Steve Jobs said so. Sounds like if our independent thinking happens to parallel what Steve Jobs says then we're just brainwashed cult members, right? :rolleyes:

Getting tired of the same old chestnuts from the anti-Apple brigade.
 

Zc456

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2008
230
183
Agreed. I thought Flash (on Mac) sucked long before Steve Jobs said so. Sounds like if our independent thinking happens to parallel what Steve Jobs says then we're just brainwashed cult members, right? :rolleyes:

Getting tired of the same old chestnuts from the anti-Apple brigade.

Can't tell how many times I've hated using Flash before it became "cool." For example, I've dealt with Hulu on both Mac and PC. Each were laggy as hell half-way into the movie or TV show. Both performances were equally bad. Don't get me started with HD YouTube videos. So obviously it's not a Mac issue like the anti-Apple brigade want everyone to believe.

Now if only Apple and Adobe would put their weapons and get cracking'. Apple just needs shut up. While Adobe should ignore it's fanboys and fix things - hopefully the long awaited 10.1 does just that.

</rant>
 

youarebiased

macrumors newbie
Jan 14, 2011
1
0
I realize I'm a little late to this party...but I came across this thread while searching on google.

I have to say there are a lot of ignorant and biased statements being made in here. Some say that "we are going back to the glory of the web" and "thank god we are going back to html".

Think about that.... "going back". Why are you going back? Shouldn't you be moving forward? Seems to me, by taking technology that is amazing OUT of the web and mobile devices that we are actually taking a step backwards in progression, not forward.

People need to wake up and stop being so biased towards their "favourite". Use what's best, stop lying to yourselves.

That is all. :D
 
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