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And well it is, it’s second hand and you can only sell the one copy you possess. While the developer can sell infinite copies
You are confusing two ideas. The right of the developer to make copies and the right of the owner to sell their copy. Every copy of software a developer sells should exist as a potential competitor to the developer selling another copy.
 
They give choice on the mac. Why should the iPhone and iPad be any different?
It's their platform, and they can do whatever to maximize profits.
What make you think they should behave the way you like it?

This is so called Capitalism stipulated by one of the basic Law of UK's Human Right Act and US constitution: people's Right to Property.
It's Human Right, not bestowed by King or The States.

In contrast, China dictators are now confiscating property of their billionaires and mega scale enterprises in spirit of Communism even though China's business practice is dog-bite-dog competition of enterprises nurtured and shackled by The Party.
If Soros was a Chinese, he will be the first been emptied pocket. Just don't applaud yet, you may be the next; you just don't know.
 
Would it be feasible and make practical sense for Apple to somehow review the 3rd party app stores and the apps that were on them? (maybe not the apps that are on them). But make it so you can't just willy nilly be some 3rd party app store. Develop a strict set of rules associated with the 3rd party app store. For example, you must have and maintain a robust review system. If any app, downloaded from your store does harm (needs to be defined) to the "system" (again needs to be defined), then you lose your privledges/access to the platform. It cannot be the wild west. This would be no different that a retail store having rules for being on display (shelf fees, returns, etc.).
If EU paid the money for the extra burden.
Think it more deeply, this is not all that impractical; EU is the money sink for no purpose.
 
Do developers put the same effort into 3rd party games on Mac that they do on Windows? Of course not. Windows is the bigger market. Developers don't have any idealistic views on supporting them both to the same level simply because they both allow 3rd party stores or direct internet downloads
So true and so enlightening.
Mac users should petition for a law that game developer must invest proportionally equal effort/money for MacOs game:
1. We don't have games to play.
2. We are laughed at because of 1 and that really hurts.
3. The scenario is dauntingly anti-competitive since MacOs is the only alternative OS to Windows.

But game developers are not going to do it and fine them 1B is not going to work. EU will then target Microsoft and regulate it to subsidy game developers to create great game on the competitive platform.
Apple walled garden will bear no justification and EU can declare win-win victory.
 
Yes, because all that has been happening for years on the MacOS platform.

If iOS is truly the security nightmare that you seem to think it is, then Tim Apple better get off his wallet and hire some competent software developers for a change.
First, Mac users are not iPhone users.
Mac users don't install app from arbitrary store or site, they ask and investigate in a few trusty forum before spending money or effort to install Macports or Homebrew. Those who don't know any better will ask for help from sons, friends or colleagues.

Second, why Tim should waste his money to support 3rd party app store or flea market.
What if the city console decide that you are required to donate part of your net incomes if some of your neighbor are ranked as poor?

Don't mistake me as a Tim fan. I despise him in every regards:
1. that 'iPad is the computer' ******** put me to shame as an Apple user.
2. succumbed to tyranny to create iCloud data center in China. You don't know if iCloud data of Taiwan and Hong Kong users was bundled and transferred over and since then been monitored by The Party. Hong Kong is history, but Apple users in Taiwan (estimated more than 60% population) is possibly in false sense of privacy protected by iCloud.
3. The degradation of iOS and MacOS, both at core service and application level.
4. insisted the damn Face ID in this prolong epidemic.

Apple Silicon is the only thing I qualify as an achievement. But even this is half baked because Rosetta 2 is really a pre-history thing in the day of 5nm silicon. It's slow and only solves part of problem. Will M2 incorporate an i5 dual core to enable true X86 VM? Let's see.
 
First, Mac users are not iPhone users.
Mac users don't install app from arbitrary store or site, they ask and investigate in a few trusty forum before spending money or effort to install Macports or Homebrew. Those who don't know any better will ask for help from sons, friends or colleagues.
Oh man, this is a load. Mac users go to Microsoft, download Office, and install it. Mac users go to Adobe, download Photoshop and install it. Mac users go to Blizzard, download World of Warcraft and install it. Mac users search Google for "tool to do xyz" and install it. Very few Mac users search forums or ask friends for help to do the very basic, simple task of downloading and installing software.

Second, why Tim should waste his money to support 3rd party app store or flea market.
Because he's being told to by a government. Because he has been abusing his position of market power to the detriment of his customers and the market in general.

What if the city console decide that you are required to donate part of your net incomes if some of your neighbor are ranked as poor?
This already exists. It's called Taxation.

Apple Silicon is the only thing I qualify as an achievement. But even this is half baked because Rosetta 2 is really a pre-history thing in the day of 5nm silicon. It's slow and only solves part of problem. Will M2 incorporate an i5 dual core to enable true X86 VM? Let's see.
Apple Silicon is an achievement that, in many ways, is Tim still riding his predecessors' coattails. Apple was part of the ARM consortium back in the 68k days, even before PowerPC became a thing. Apple had already experienced multiple major technological transitions in architectures (68k -> PowerPC -> x86), so the roadmap for doing so again was already in front of him, and the hard work was already done.

Having an x86 processor run alongside the native RISC processor for compatibility is not at all unprecedented in the Mac world, either. Perhaps such a beast may come in the form of a frankenstein Mac Pro, or as some kind of add-on card to the Mac Pro by whatever the ashes of Orange Micro may be.
 
I can buy any apps with one time pay for 5 licenses. Not bad.
I’m not arguing that the App Store isn’t good value for money, just that Sony, Nintendo et al do not have a monopoly on software on their respective platforms. I have all sorts of options for how I choose to give them my money.
 
You are confusing two ideas. The right of the developer to make copies and the right of the owner to sell their copy. Every copy of software a developer sells should exist as a potential competitor to the developer selling another copy.
I’m not confusing anything. I want both of the to be legally protected. Software downloaded to your computer/phone should be treated exactly the same as buying a program on DVD/USB. There is no reason for different rights
 
I’m not confusing anything. I want both of the to be legally protected. Software downloaded to your computer/phone should be treated exactly the same as buying a program on DVD/USB. There is no reason for different rights
This contradicts what you said before. You said it's not needed to allow resale on the same store as the developer.
 
Time to Pull out of Japan. Nearly 70% of Smartphone users in Japan are iPhone users. Without Apple's services such as iCloud, Siri, Maps ( ok may be not maps because Apple Map aren't any good in Japan ) and Apple Pay. iPhone user in Japan will be deeply frustrated, they could reelect a government that is more Apple friendly.

Seriously listen to the Wisdom on Macrumors, pull out of Japan.
Glad you’re aboard with the prevailing wisdom. I mean, we know, Macrumors posters are NEVER wrong.
 
You guys are running out of countries that you're calling for Apple to pull out of.
If you’re worried about the stock price, dont. The stock price will be the same if apple pulls out of the eu and Japan or if they are forced to sideload, alternate app stores or limited commissions. Apple would be better off pulling out.
 
This contradicts what you said before. You said it's not needed to allow resale on the same store as the developer.
No need, as I’m not required isn’t the same as can’t be. It can be in its own section of the store. if you can’t use alternative stores then it must be on the AppStore. And it would be simpler if it was.

One great idea would be if any developer who uses Xcode and gets their app signed( all Mac apps are signed) by apple can be registered in the AppStore, but can’t be searched for. It only shows up in your purchase history when you provide an uneque application key tying it to your appleID. And when you resell it then it will just be registered on a different appleID etc etc

EU did rule you have the right to resell your software just a hard copy because you own it but that the manufacturer doesn’t need to facilitate the infrastructure for it. Hence why it’s legal to sell your steam account. Steam tried to argue it was licensed or rented, but eu disagreed that a perpetual license is the same as buying a cloths in the store as a transfer of ownership.

Currently the French court is in a legal battle with steam that would force steam to have this infrastructure as the EU ruling is kind of meaningless as you can’t exercise this right. And if valve loses then apple will have to allow resale of iOS apps
 
Apple disallowing certain categories of apps is just the cherry on the anti-competitive sundae. How about game streaming apps like Stadia and Xbox Cloud gaming? So much for your claim that devs get to choose whether to develop for iOS or not.
Why Apple is indispensable for streaming entertainment to justify government intervention?
How could it not suck up battery when running streaming action game on battery powered device?
It's user's decision; I agree.
But it's also up to Apple's decision to allow or not allow it; or even not allowing 3rd party but promoting its own similar services.
It is Apple's store, it's not subsidized by anyone's tax; the dogma: government has no place to say anything about it.
 
Why Apple is indispensable for streaming entertainment to justify government intervention?
How could it not suck up battery when running streaming action game on battery powered device?
It's user's decision; I agree.
But it's also up to Apple's decision to allow or not allow it; or even not allowing 3rd party but promoting its own similar services.
It is Apple's store, it's not subsidized by anyone's tax; the dogma: government has no place to say anything about it.
Then allow me to download it outside the store. It’s my device.
 
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Well no they are not. That's not the way their platform is designed. Saying this is analogous to saying the Honda is stopping you from putting a Ferrari engine in a Civic.
Their platform? My phone isn’t their platform. I’m not referring to their AppStore platform. But my iPhone.

I can put a Ferrari engine in a Honda as long as the engine bay is big enough. There is nothing Honda does that is designed with the purpose of preventing me from doing it. Apple purposely design software and hardware so you can’t do things.
 
Their platform? My phone isn’t their platform. I’m not referring to their AppStore platform. But my iPhone.

I can put a Ferrari engine in a Honda as long as the engine bay is big enough. There is nothing Honda does that is designed with the purpose of preventing me from doing it. Apple purposely design software and hardware so you can’t do things.
You own the hardware, and license the software. You can make up whatever functional requirements you want and try to implement them. Apple doesn’t have to help you outside of their functional requirements.
 
You own the hardware, and license the software. You can make up whatever functional requirements you want and try to implement them. Apple doesn’t have to help you outside of their functional requirements.
I have told you multiple times. According to the law. I own the hardware and I own the software. Apple can make up whatever terms they want doesn’t make it true.

Ownership is transferred at point of sale.
 
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