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Just because something is successful and a lot of people value it doesn't change people's inherent rights to it.
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Just because something is successful and a lot of people value it doesn't change people's inherent rights to it.
Well that’s not Likely needed. You just need to be able to sell your copy somewhere as s as by physical goods.
French court rules that Steam’s ban on reselling used games is contrary to European law
Valve pledges to fight Paris High Court ruling that states Steam users should be free to sell on their games.
Will see when this is finished up
So what you're effectively arguing is that there shouldn't be any laws governing market competition and anti-trust. If that's your view that's fine, though I would expect that to very much be a minority viewpoint in most developed economies. Your comment regarding making "claims with a straight face" would seem to imply your view is a widely held view, which it is not. Most developed countries have laws regulating competition and trusts.
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What some don't seem to "get" is that essentially no rules and no anti-trust enforcement very quickly leads to consolidation, excessive power, exploitation of that power and "very little competition", "exceptionally little actual choice", "less innovation" and a much much worse overall situation.
It's hard for some to grok I guess, but Apple would be WAY better off (in terms of the experience of a customer), if they were having to compete like crazy
It's hard for some to grok I guess, but Apple would be WAY better off (in terms of the experience of a customer), if they were having to compete like crazy
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What do you mean not likely needed? Every seller should have the right to sell in any marketplace they want. One can't give developers the ok to sell their app wherever they want but then restrict others. Either Apple controls the right to sell all apps or anyone can sell any app on the App Store. We can't have fuzzy middle ground.Well that’s not Likely needed. You just need to be able to sell your copy somewhere as s as by physical goods.
French court rules that Steam’s ban on reselling used games is contrary to European law
Valve pledges to fight Paris High Court ruling that states Steam users should be free to sell on their games.www.polygon.com
Will see when this is finished up
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Why? They sold the copy to you fare and square, and you have the right to sell or even give this copy away as a second hand sale.
Or should you not be allowed to sell you DVDs because they say so?
You aren’t distributing infinite copies of their software, you are selling the unique copy you purchased.
Why do you and other insist on this arbitrary line between a program on a disk and a program you downloaded? You legally own It the same.
DVD makers constantly tell you that making private copies are a “crime” even tho you have the legal right to make private copies of it.
Or just allow third party tools. There where multiple programs available untill apple changes the developers agreement demanding only Xcode is allowed to be used to develop apps.
To open an unsigned app, you need to:
right-click the app
select “Open”.
Nobody probably cares, just as nobody cares about windows annoying UAC
But I guess it’s to controversial to the prudish Americans
The web as they do now. For over 5+ years it’s been impossible to subscribe to Spotify inside the app and only possible on their website. And it costs them way less than the 30% apple demands. Probably not even 1% of the cost for the company to do the business of running a streaming service
Nobody cares to release on the Mac AppStore. Steam have 10x more Mac games than the Mac store have.
To open an unsigned app, you need to:
right-click the app
select “Open”.
Nobody probably cares, just as nobody cares about windows annoying UAC
Well little snitch is a good app and
Apps that tracked drone strikes or otherwise tackled uncomfortable subjects with journalism
But I guess it’s to controversial to the prudish Americans
But some of the people's arguments are about ....spicy... apps. You know adult content apps. macOS is getting more locked down where you need to at least have a developer certificate. Will Apple give the certs to those kind of apps? Will Apple give certs to emulators?
No, because you're confused into thinking that this is what anti-trust is. Basically how every argument goes these days. You think the people arguing with you are against anti-trust laws, when they're not, they're just against people like you deciding that "I want" is the same as anti-trust.
You understand that when you reply with:
to a bunch of examples of anti-trust actions that were taken previously, that it does not come across that you are for anti-trust laws? Your response would appear to indicate that you don't like anti-trust enforcement actions.
Where did "I want" come into play in what I said? I'm specifically talking about actions being taken by various governments to codify these big tech practices as coming under the regulatory regime of pro-competition and anti-trust laws. I'm failing to see how you interpret pointing out what governments are doing as, "I want."
No.
I can get certified apps from 3rd party on Android. They are in the Play Store and on 3rd party. Or they were in the Play Store and are now only 3rd party. Or they are cert but 3rd party only. There are also non-cert apps that are 3rd party only.
It is a mix.
Reminder, we are assuming this will be the solution Apple takes. Or forced to take. It could be something very different.
Note: it could also be an OEM store instead of the Play Store.
You keep shifting between agreeing and disagreeing. Either I own software or I don't. If I own it then I should be able to directly and equally be free to compete with anyone else that ones a copy.
You don't legally own iOS. Sorry. You own the brick of materials that runs it.
Agree!
Just pull out of EU also; Users will vote with their money to get the phone they want and need, I will if I lived there.
Iron Lady Thatcher, my all time idol said all the worst devils in human history rosed from mainland Europe: the two World War, the Facism, the holocaust, and Communism, and to the less extent, extreme Socialism all over 3rd world.
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macOS haven't become more locked down. You can still any and all apps in the exact same way since 2012. Certifications have never been required.
no, people want it to work like MacOS. You can install anything without the need for it to be signed by apple. just need to right-click and open and gatekeeper will never bother you again. install from the Macappstore or install steam to buy games or donwload form some random website etc
No, I'm completely consistent. You own this copy and can do with it as you please, just as with any physical object. And just like any physical object, you can't make a copy of it and sell it, as this is breach of copyright law. You can't buy a Ferrari and make an exact copy to sell.
I legally own everything that exist on my iPhone on the point of sale.
If my iPhone contains a copy of iOS, then that is also mine. No licensing agreement was presented on point of sale and therefore a complete legal transfer of ownership of this unique copy
So you agree with me? Everyone who purchased software should be able to directly compete with developer by selling selling our copies on the same storefronts as them.
i believe you should have the ability to sell your copy to another person. and if it's in the same store but in the refund section or whatever would be great.
and after you sell your copy you would lose access to the copy on your phone, essentially the exact same like having a steam refund or iOS refund of an app you regret buying etc but with the only difference you can sell it to someone else.
or how you can buy and resell steam items on the steam market place
Steam Support :: Community Market FAQ
Steam Community :: Steam Community Market
perhaps like this. instead of ingame items that people can sell and resell it owuld be your game or app.
LMAO. No, you don't. And for as long as you don't understand this, you won't be able to contribute to this conversation on the level thats required for reasonable discussion.
EU law quite literary disagrees with you.
stating that EULA literaly is menaingless: EU highest court says software licence terms can be ignored
And the software sold
Software defined as goods by European court
The supply of software electronically is a "sale of goods" under the Commercial Agents Regulations. That is the decision of the Court of Justice of the European Union ("CJEU") which had been asked to determine the issue by the English Supreme Court."
dwfgroup.com
this explains how far removed you are from the discusion.
and iOS is not a service, hence sold as a goods. and as i will cover next is transfering ownership with perpetual license.
essentialy apple loses any claim over anything on my phone, this includes iOS
EULA are incompatible with somthing you own, as you can't legally prevent lawfull use of private property irrespective of contract clawses, as this would mean your purchase wasn't a purchase. this have been upheled multiple times in courts, even so tat you can modify Intelectual property to make it work(this includes removing DRM or klick to agree) in EU, cant speak for consumer hostile USA.
This might cause confusion that the developers copy is somehow different.