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Apple Publishes FAQ to Address Concerns About CSAM Detection and Messages Scanning
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Hmmm, I wonder which company has touted itself as a protector of privacy and has a LOT of billboards around saying that they are focusing on privacy...
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I think overtime proof will be out there. Many CEO’s are actually against this.
WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
The EFF, Snowden, and more have shared criticisms.
Epic Games CEO slams Apple 'government spyware' | AppleInsider
Tim Sweeney, the chief of Epic Games, has attacked Apple over its iCloud Photos and messages child safety initiatives, putting forward the idea of it being a way for governments to conduct surveillance.
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Seems like Apple Campus is on fire!
It's very suspicious to release a FAQ at approx. 2-3am(Cupertino Time) in the morning.
They must have been writing this story tale during the weekend.
What a crap marketing team!
It's very suspicious to release a FAQ at approx. 2-3am(Cupertino Time) in the morning.
They must have been writing this story tale during the weekend.
What a crap marketing team!
Well, I dony use any cloud services not to be subjected to slicing and dicing. And I would like to avoid that on my device as well. I understand that using "apple servers" comes with strings attached (same for google, Microsoft etc etc) but I would like my device to be "snooping free". That is my main point here. Apart of that I do not believe that it will have any measurable impact on child pornography and only creates tools for further privacy invasion.
This is even more laughable than when Steve Jobs said the GeForce 320 offered "killer graphics".
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/1...book-pros-use-of-intel-core-2-duo-processors/
I think overtime proof will be out there. Many CEO’s are actually against this.
WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
The EFF, Snowden, and more have shared criticisms.www.theverge.com
Epic Games CEO slams Apple 'government spyware' | AppleInsider
Tim Sweeney, the chief of Epic Games, has attacked Apple over its iCloud Photos and messages child safety initiatives, putting forward the idea of it being a way for governments to conduct surveillance.
Shock as CEOs jump on this to help push their own platforms.
I am privacy minded to the point of paranoia, and even I don't have a problem with step 1 of this process (scanning files uploaded to the cloud against a CSAM database). I trust Apple to do the right thing here, because Apple's incentives are aligned with doing the right thing.
However, I know from experience this is just step one.
Once the technology is implemented and people have accepted it, we'll move on to the same tech scanning files on your phone or laptop to check for materials that Apple has the copyright to, like if you have a web rip of Space Force on your phone. The way the technology is set up, it's easy to expand the database to include not just CSAM hashes, but also hashes of documents exposing governments, web rips of popular movies or TV shows, or memes critical of the local government.
However, I know from experience this is just step one.
Once the technology is implemented and people have accepted it, we'll move on to the same tech scanning files on your phone or laptop to check for materials that Apple has the copyright to, like if you have a web rip of Space Force on your phone. The way the technology is set up, it's easy to expand the database to include not just CSAM hashes, but also hashes of documents exposing governments, web rips of popular movies or TV shows, or memes critical of the local government.
I think overtime proof will be out there. Many CEO’s are actually against this.
WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
The EFF, Snowden, and more have shared criticisms.
Epic Games CEO slams Apple 'government spyware' | AppleInsider
Tim Sweeney, the chief of Epic Games, has attacked Apple over its iCloud Photos and messages child safety initiatives, putting forward the idea of it being a way for governments to conduct surveillance.
Very CEO mentioned has a previous grudge against Apple. Hah.
Every CEO mentioned already does way worst with your personal data.
I miss the good ol' days when we argued about market share... or the "premium" phone market versus cheap burner phones... or how many years a platform provides software updates... or Android tablets thrown in a drawer.
You know... the classics.
Again, you think.I think overtime proof will be out there. Many CEO’s are actually against this.
WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
The EFF, Snowden, and more have shared criticisms.
Epic Games CEO slams Apple 'government spyware' | AppleInsider
Tim Sweeney, the chief of Epic Games, has attacked Apple over its iCloud Photos and messages child safety initiatives, putting forward the idea of it being a way for governments to conduct surveillance.
A lot of if, buts and thinks about all this...
The solution to remediate this would be to have the NCEMC release the list of hashes for open audit and review, it’s not like you can reconstruct the images from the hashes. If people find that non-CSAM images are being added to the database, it would be uncovered very quickly. The biggest issue with this system is that the hash list is presumed to only contain illegal images, yet is controlled by government funded entities. Apple’s response to this is that they check images first before reporting to law enforcement, and that response isn’t good enough.
I miss the good ol' days when we argued about market share... or the "premium phone" market... or how many years a platform provides software updates.
You know... the classics.
Prediction…Apple has one of their best iPhone sales year ever and iOS 15 adoption rate hits typical 90+% in mere months despite then “invading my privacy”.
Interesting that the entire database of CSAM hashes will be stored on every iPhone. I get that it's just text. But how much space would we estimate this to require? Any guesstimates?
The technology was always there.
iOS isn’t open source, you wouldn’t know what‘s happening under the hood with all the indexing and neural engine picture analysis going on.
Nothing has changed.
Except one thing: this time the local analysis is not done in the direct interest of the user. Well I mean, if you care about stopping child abuse, it’s somehow in your interest too.
But it’s not really a scan of STRICTLY local data. It’s data that sooner or later will END UP in the cloud. So Apple is asking you this: “Listen, we both know you’re about to upload this data to iCloud Photos, you already agreed to upload it, we’re already in the boarding area of the airport, yes the plane has yet to take off but c’mon, so, we could scan your pics once they’re ACTUALLY on our servers like other companies do, but could you pretty please let us PRE-label them locally on your device with a device-side PRE-scan when they’re still UNENCRYPTED so we don’t have to invade your privacy even more (like everybody else does) by decrypting them (or scanning them anyway) once they’re already on our servers? In a way that basically only escalate to human review for people who owns MULTIPLE offending pics and makes almost impossibile to catch an account by accident? Makes sense?”
That’s how it is.
It is local, but in a way it’s not until the security vouchers have MULTIPLE MATCHES and hence are TRANSMITTED to Apple in clear. It’s a Schroedinger cat until proven positive MULTIPLE times. It’s a tree falling in a forest with nobody listening until you got MULTIPLE matches. Not sure how to explain it any better.
This is a good tech in theory - anything we can do to protect children should be done, but in this day and age, where people are used to having their data treated like **** by companies, it shouldn't be done.
The line in the FAQ which worries me - when it comes to government - "Apple will refuse any such demands". Will they? If China turns around and says "hey, if you want to sell iPhones here, you must use this tech to identify anyone uploading known anti-CPC images". Are they really going to say no? Same as how they said no to storing chinese customers' icloud data in china? Same as how they say no to all of the government warrants which request information from/access to Apple accounts?
No chance.
The line in the FAQ which worries me - when it comes to government - "Apple will refuse any such demands". Will they? If China turns around and says "hey, if you want to sell iPhones here, you must use this tech to identify anyone uploading known anti-CPC images". Are they really going to say no? Same as how they said no to storing chinese customers' icloud data in china? Same as how they say no to all of the government warrants which request information from/access to Apple accounts?
No chance.
The CCP would use the technology to search for anything that is anti-CCP, documents, images, videos. China will just steal the technology and use it to spy even more on it's citizens.
Time to ditch Apple I think. This is setting a very spooky precedent on a slippery slope.
Is this guaranteed to go ahead? Is there a way to opt-out or circumvent it?
CalyxOS seems the way to go now if you want true privacy and freedom from mass surveillance.
Is this guaranteed to go ahead? Is there a way to opt-out or circumvent it?
CalyxOS seems the way to go now if you want true privacy and freedom from mass surveillance.
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Whilst a good idea to rid this world of the perverts, Apple hasn’t thought this through. What about somebody who has young children, taken pics of their children in the paddling pool with not much on. There’s nothing seedy about that, they are your children. I have young children and have thousands of photos on my iCloud. 99.9% full clothed and the rest, said paddling pool pics etc. I am not happy for anybody to be going through MY photos to check if they are child porn. They are my private collection of the kids childhood and they are not for other peoples eyes if I choose it to be. This will backfire massively and literally achieves nothing as anybody who is as sick to watch or create these pics, I would imagine, keep their stash offline anyway and share the pics online manually. This is just an excuse to get a back door in and I for one will not tolerate it. I will sell my Apple stuff and move back to windows/android and keep my pics and vids of the family offline. I only moved from windows/android due to privacy.
CP itself is sometimes hotly contested considering the grey area of nudity and 2D arts (refer to Japan). What is acceptable in Japan can be considered CP in the US.
Since morality is not a simple black and white and depends on many things like culture, geography, and even religion, anything that can potentially judge a person based on morality derived from a blackbox without option for public scrutiny or appeal, should be a concern.
Where/when did Apple say that people will be sifting through your paddling pool photos?
Unless your photographs are a 99.9% match to those on a separate database of indecent images - checked using A.I - I think it's safe to assume your privacy is in check...
Third option: Let it be known to Apple that people don’t want to be the subjects of mass surveillance from an Apple product, until they back off this very odd (who in Apple came up with this idea?), and ill conceived situation.
”Keep on trucking”. Right. Keep letting our rights to privacy get chipped away until we are just like China/Russia.
The way I understand it... they are comparing hashes against *known* CSAM images. Child porn images. Sick stuff.
Your personal iPhone photos are not those... and Apple isn't doing a visual scan of your photos anyway.
At least that's how it has been described. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You really need to do more reading and less writing.
Your assumptions about your personal pics are completely wrong and shows you couldn’t even get through the dumbed down MacRumors article.