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It's about bashing Apple. No one yells at Google for their GMail scanning for child sex abuse imagery. But Apple is for some reason different.
Google hardly ever brags about privacy. Google is clearly an ad company, and thus there's a certain (low) expectation when it regards to privacy.

But Apple has been riding and bragging the privacy train for a while. They literally build their brand on top of it, and attaching premium price. Of course, people will scrutinize Apple more with things like this.
 
So it's illegal to own images of political opponents? No, of course not. CSAM images are, hence we are here.
In some countries, it might. And Apple actually did advertise that the system can be customized on per country basis.
 
Yes, it's a hype, absolutely. But a justified one in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, people who own child pornography are terrible and should be punished severely. But the problem I see is the invasion of privacy of millions of people to convict a few (these people can also simply disable the upload of their pictures, then it has no benefits but just the destruction of privacy).

There were 37.872 reported CSAM cases in 2020 alone. This is not a negligible number.

In any case, I think the benefits outweigh the costs. I already explained this before. This new procedure is actually less invasive to privacy than the status quo (to perform the check on servers). The quicker Apple can move all these processes to the device, the quicker they can make their services (such as iCloud Photos or backups) end-to-end encrypted. They do not do that now because they need to comply to a bunch of regulations like this one. Obviously, I'm guessing here. But my guess is much less far fetched than all the people in this thread going all 1984, like:

Governments in the future could simply force Apple to track down people who are found to possess images with certain hashes. Thinking into the future, aren't you concerned about what this technology can be abused for and how much damage it can do?

I live in a country with a functioning democracy. No.
 
And the Apple employee never makes mistakes? Or simply clicks OK to be able to finish work on time.

A non-offending account has 1 in a trillion chance per year to even escalate to human review.

That means, with 850M iCloud account, this would happen to a very unlucky person every 1176 years (do the math). 1176 years. Let’s say that Apple’s 1 trillion claim is wrong by tenfold, it would still only happen to a single ”innocent” account ever 117,6 years. One error every century. Worldwide. You aren’t even getting to human review.

If we don’t learn to live with the hard reality of numbers and statistics, then one could think even vaccine hesitancy is justified after all. Or that buying Doge is a good investment.
 
Google has been doing this with GMail since 2014


No one bats an eye for that

But when Apple does it, NOW everyone gets upset

Why is this?
 
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

:p

It’s different this time round.

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic, and more controversial than say, simply removing the headphone jack. And I feel that Apple could have done more to communicate this up front. But I also feel that by and large, Apple often gets held to impossible standards and their every move is very closely scrutinised, while the competition tends to get a free pass.

I see it as a happy problem of sorts (even if it can be frustrating at times) that so many people continue to be so passionate about Apple (I believe the opposite of love is not hate but indifference), but golly, I have just seen too much knee jerk reactions and hysteria over something that Apple is simply playing catch up to with regards to other companies like Microsoft and Facebook.

I pay Apple to make the hard choices for me so I don’t have to, and Apple still has my trust in this matter. I will not hesitate to update to iOS 15 on day 1. I have no intentions of boycotting their products or services anytime soon. And I will continue to stick to iCloud storage.

To each their own.
 
Could governments force Apple to add non-CSAM images to the hash list?

Apple will refuse any such demands.


Apple approved 94% of requests for the Chinese government to access users' devices between January and June 2020.

Apple says they won't include summaries of CSAM hits in their transparency reports. Seems legit. What have you got to hide Apple?
 
In some countries, it might. And Apple actually did advertise that the system can be customized on per country basis.

I think there is an important difference between it being illegal to have an image and an image you have suggesting you you are involved in something illegal.

I'll admit I'm not up to date on what counties state it is illegal to have specific images on your device.

I could have images of drugs and guns on my device, but that isn't illegal to own those images, and it would be impossible to say if because of those images I was doing anything illegal.
 
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Apple fans are hilarious. First they bash the competition because their products are spying on them, no privacy protection, etc… Now they defend Apple because “the competition is also doing it”.

”Spying” or “scanning” is such a simplistic buzzword if used to depict such a double blind system full of cryptographic checks and balances.
Security vouchers may as well be in another universe or within the singularity of a black hole until they are decrypted. They don’t exist for all intents and purposes. So what data has the scanning actually collected? It’s unaccessible to humans if not after multiple offences.
They can’t be decrypted if the threshold of offences hasn’t been surpassed.
The elegance of this technical solution is to be commended, this means no Apple employee can target you or look at the supposedly offending pics even if he wanted, even if Apple wanted. Amazing.
I’m sure Xi would be happy to know dissidents can own 49 pics of him as Winnie the Pooh and be completely safe until they have 50. (the actual threshold isn’t known, for OBVIOUS reasons)
 
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There were 37.872 reported CSAM cases in 2020 alone. This is not a negligible number.

In any case, I think the benefits outweigh the costs. I already explained this before. This new procedure is actually less invasive to privacy than the status quo (to perform the check on servers). The quicker Apple can move all these processes to the device, the quicker they can make their services (such as iCloud Photos or backups) end-to-end encrypted. They do not do that now because they need to comply to a bunch of regulations like this one. Obviously, I'm guessing here. But my guess is much less far fetched than all the people in this thread going all 1984, like:



I live in a country with a functioning democracy. No.
Portugal a functioning democracy? 🤣
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You are missing the point here. Its not about CSAm. Its about that it can be used for everything and its on device
Again, more I think/could/maybe/if/can

It's like saying If Apple let me put an RTX 3080 in my Mac Pro, they would dominate the desktop gaming market...
 
It’s different this time round.

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic, and more controversial than say, simply removing the headphone jack. And I feel that Apple could have done more to communicate this up front. But I also feel that by and large, Apple often gets held to impossible standards and their every move is very closely scrutinised, while the competition tends to get a free pass.

I see it as a happy problem of sorts (even if it can be frustrating at times) that so many people continue to be so passionate about Apple (I believe the opposite of love is not hate but indifference), but golly, I have just seen too much knee jerk reactions and hysteria over something that Apple is simply playing catch up to with regards to other companies like Microsoft and Facebook.

I pay Apple to make the hard choices for me so I don’t have to, and Apple still has my trust in this matter. I will not hesitate to update to iOS 15 on day 1. I have no intentions of boycotting their products or services anytime soon. And I will continue to stick to iCloud storage.

To each their own.

Well said.

:)
 
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