Apple Publishes First-Ever App Store Transparency Report

[Abazigal]

You have no qualms about it because you are trying to downplay the masses of iOS users who are unhappy about. Did you ask them? The EU did, you did not, so you're just trying to push your agenda and opinion as a fact based on nothing while the EU is basing it on the will of its people. Yes, that includes companies as well, but also petitions, surveys, etc. You can joke all you want but they actually work for its citizens, and we elect and re-elect them.
I am a consumer, and I benefit from it. Every person I know is positive about it, as are they about Lightning going away, independently from them currently using it or already having USB-C.

I would genuinely appreciate a link to any report which states that the EU polled its citizens on this move, and that the legislation being enacted is representative of the will and wishes of consumers in general, not just businesses.

Thank you in advance.

Apple has a legal monopoly outside of the EU, ftfy.

A monopoly in itself is insufficient to take action against a company. You have to also prove there was harm done to the consumer (in the US) or to other businesses (for the EU).

 

[mrochester]

You have no qualms about it because you are trying to downplay the masses of iOS users who are unhappy about. Did you ask them? The EU did, you did not, so you're just trying to push your agenda and opinion as a fact based on nothing while the EU is basing it on the will of its people. Yes, that includes companies as well, but also petitions, surveys, etc. You can joke all you want but they actually work for its citizens, and we elect and re-elect them.
I am a consumer, and I benefit from it. Every person I know is positive about it, as are they about Lightning going away, independently from them currently using it or already having USB-C.

Charles Proxy (for iOS) has no control over the data, you cannot adjust it to go anywhere specifically, or allow/disallow certain aspects of traffic, which is the core functionality of Little Snitch. Plus it only works through a local proxy which has its own limitations as well. You just presented a data monitor which is only one aspect that Little Snitch is covering. Plus, Little Snitch covers it way more sophisticated.
So, again, no alternative. There, off you go.

I’ve never actually seen one of these EU surveys. Have you got a link to one about iOS ‘sideloading’?

 

[0924487]

China will not allow sideloading and government can control your device today.

You are so deep in propaganda and disinformation, I don't even know where to start.

Have you ever lived in China?

I have.

What you said doesn't make any sense.

Most things software or digital content related are obtained through non-standard channels for most people and small businesses in China. If you ask people in China how to obtain a legitmate copy of MS Office or Windows Professional, most will tell you they don't know how, and those things are only for coorporations.

Significant portion of jailbreaking developers are from China. Think Pangu. Most IAP cheats and cracks are developed by Chinese and Russian developers.

No, Chinese government doesn't control your device.

 

[0924487]

and government can't control your device if sideloading is available? lol

you want vpn in china but also the ability to install TikTok as sideload to which China can control the data? you're not making any sense.

I want the untimate control. I will not surrender that to any entity. Let me think for myself, don't tell me what to think.

I want to give my data to whoever I want to give my data to, including North Korea, China, and Russia, or child traffickers, or scammers, if I so choose. The reverse is also important.

I want to access unfiltered internet, even in China, Korea and Israel, and including illegal websites.

I don't want you, the states and coorporations to make decisions for me or on me.

Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

But why tell sheeps the need for freedom? It wouldn't make any sense to them.

 

[tripsync]

Charles Proxy (for iOS) has no control over the data, you cannot adjust it to go anywhere specifically, or allow/disallow certain aspects of traffic, which is the core functionality of Little Snitch. Plus it only works through a local proxy which has its own limitations as well. You just presented a data monitor which is only one aspect that Little Snitch is covering. Plus, Little Snitch covers it way more sophisticated.
So, again, no alternative. There, off you go.

moving goal posts

you said "you cannot tell where your sacred Apple Mac is csending data unles" which it can absolutely do

and you can absolutely add to the block list to allow/disallow traffic which is all you need to prevent gov from controlling your phone.

lol. off you go. it's clear you're going to try and move the goal post again so i'm done. have a good one.

 

[tripsync]

I want the untimate control

android. simple.

 

[0924487]

android. simple.

Not as simple as sideloading because I don't know how to install iOS on Android phones. It's definitely possible, but you need custom drivers, boot loaders and lots of glue code to make it work.

 

[tripsync]

Not as simple as sideloading because I don't know how to install iOS on Android phones. It's definitely possible, but you need custom drivers, boot loaders and lots of glue code to make it work.

iOS won't give you ultimate control. Android will. buy an android device and use Android OS

 

[Wildkraut]

You mean the second account that definitely had fraudulent activity that Dash conveniently forgot about setting up using the same back accounts for his relative in this first post?




1. The phone call did mention they provided warnings before to the linked account.
2. It is the developers fault for linking both accounts. Once linked, developer is responsible for both accounts.
3. "I didn't know both accounts were linked" is not the fault of Apple. Sorry. When Google detects their gmail accounts spamming other email accounts, first thing they look for is signs of obvious linkage to other accounts. An client that has 4 gmail accounts signed into a browser where one is the spammy account would be a factor. Very simple.
4. Some how the relative that's doing the fraudulent activity deserves no fault either? Funny.



Despite Apple not being at fault, they re-enabled as a good will.



Follow the rules and there's no need to worry.

Try harder white washing Apple, this doesn’t work, almost everyone was on Dash’s side, and was clearly no fraud by Kapeli.

Good that such things won’t be possible anymore here in the EU. The rules has been redefined, alternative AppStores and App downloads are coming. Thanks DMA!

Michael Tsai - Blog - Apple Removed Dash From the Mac App Store

mjtsai.com

Dash and Apple: My Side of the Story - Kapeli Blog

Latest Dash News and Announcements

blog.kapeli.com

 

[genovelle]

True, if they’d apply the app approval process to the app store app itself, it would be banned due to all the scammy apps it contains.

There are a a lot of other Authenticator apps. In fact I believe so predated Microsoft and Google.

 

[klasma]

There are a a lot of other Authenticator apps. In fact I believe so predated Microsoft and Google.

That’s correct. Nevertheless the app store is full of apps that try to scam people.

 

[mrochester]

That’s correct. Nevertheless the app store is full of apps that try to scam people.

If by try to scam you mean ‘sell a subscription for something you can get for free elsewhere’, then they aren’t technically scams.

They are known as competing products. It’s up to the consumer to make an informed purchasing decision based on the products and services on offer.

 

[makitango]

moving goal posts

you said "you cannot tell where your sacred Apple Mac is csending data unles" which it can absolutely do

and you can absolutely add to the block list to allow/disallow traffic which is all you need to prevent gov from controlling your phone.

lol. off you go. it's clear you're going to try and move the goal post again so i'm done. have a good one.

Try and "move the goal post", whatever you mean with that, lol. Apple can't even hire native speakers anymore or are they too expensive for a simple social media troll?
My point was and always has been that I want to be in control of the data that is being transferred. Everyone here understands that and just the Apple social media squad that is currently at work thinks they can undermine the thoughts and rights of soon-to-be free users. Well, you can't.

Obviously you are trying here to flood away the visibility of legitimate wishes of NA users who want the same choices.

 

[I7guy]

You are so deep in propaganda and disinformation, I don't even know where to start.

Have you ever lived in China?

I have.

What you said doesn't make any sense.

Most things software or digital content related are obtained through non-standard channels for most people and small businesses in China. If you ask people in China how to obtain a legitmate copy of MS Office or Windows Professional, most will tell you they don't know how, and those things are only for coorporations.

Significant portion of jailbreaking developers are from China. Think Pangu. Most IAP cheats and cracks are developed by Chinese and Russian developers.

No, Chinese government doesn't control your device.

The above response is a non-response as you had to back-pedal to cover your original statement. Most places iOS will not be opened for sideloading. Jailbreaking to sideload is not sideloading and slowly apple is eliminating that avenue.

Government can control your device if side loading is not available.

Good luck getting a VPN app in China or TikTok in some US states in the future.

 

[I7guy]

I’ve never actually seen one of these EU surveys. Have you got a link to one about iOS ‘sideloading’?

More likely a link to the posts from posters on MR who are the vocal minority. /s

 

[drmacnut]

@MacRumors: In the paragraph below, did you perhaps mean to say "Apple restored just 616 developer apps" rather than "developer accounts"?

Developers appealed 18,412 app removals in total, and Apple restored just 616 developer accounts. Apple says that apps that are appealed were typically pulled from the ‌App Store‌ for fraud or illegality, which is why the rejected appeal number is so high.

 

[frqunzfltr]

I like Apple playing the gatekeeper and keeping all that bullish*t software and scammers off of my iPhone. I'm serious.

 

[tripsync]

With a decent sideloaded browser you could easily circumvent this, and set cookie saving to no, excluding the ones required for site functionality. Merging the best things of both worlds.

brave already has this. in the app store.

but thanks for admitting that this is a royal screw up by the EU not knowing what the consequences of their actions are.

 

[Wildkraut]

brave already has this. in the app store.

but thanks for admitting that this is a royal screw up by the EU not knowing what the consequences of their actions are.

Well, website operators simply went too far with their tracking and data mining methods.

Just like Apple, instead of cooperating and trying to find a good arrangement with the customers, developers and states, they exploited the situation and anticompetitively capitalized without remorse.

Who seeks shall find.
Special cases requires special courses of action.

So, you better thanks the website operators and Apple, if you’re not satisfied with the outcome.

Personally I prefer to be in control of my data by doing two clicks once for a new website, and able to install Apps from any sources without Apple parenting me.

 

[makitango]

Tbf, Apple knew fully well what they were heading into. Live by the sword, die by the sword as they say. Sooner or later this will end up opening up in the US as well because developers being kept out of the App Store with no means to reach their customers other than with a 30% cut and hamstrung app capabilities, and a card-based storefront that hides every app whose publisher is not paying a good enough markup to even make them visible - this is costing both the taxpayer and the tax recipient.l some sweet-sour Benjamins.

The US will watch that development in the EU closely and if they see that they‘re missing out (and the current household does not exactly look that bright), they will open some doors. We don‘t need to be financial experts to understand such basic economics 101.

 

[Abazigal]

Tbf, Apple knew fully well what they were heading into. Live by the sword, die by the sword as they say. Sooner or later this will end up opening up in the US as well because developers being kept out of the App Store with no means to reach their customers other than with a 30% cut and hamstrung app capabilities, and a card-based storefront that hides every app whose publisher is not paying a good enough markup to even make them visible - this is costing both the taxpayer and the tax recipient.l some sweet-sour Benjamins.

The US will watch that development in the EU closely and if they see that they‘re missing out (and the current household does not exactly look that bright), they will open some doors. We don‘t need to be financial experts to understand such basic economics 101.

Let me know when they do the same for consoles as well. Epic, Sony, Nintendo, Xbox. I am sure developers would love for the ability to reach their customers without having to pay that sweet 30% cut on other platforms as well.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

37 million registered developer accounts doesn't mean all 37 million paid $100/year. Free developer accounts exist too.

Since when does free developer accounts exist? You mean a normal..account every apple user have? That's about a few hundred million.

I can see why apple is doing this. It’s none of the competitions’ business and not required by law. And winning a lawsuit is not a guarantee. In the scheme of things with apples revenue lawyers fees are cheaper option.

Well it can absolutely be their buisness intrest. Especially if Apple is breaking the law. Sufficient probable cause exist to release the information. If Apple is innocent then nothing will happen

 

[Sophisticatednut]

brave already has this. in the app store.

but thanks for admitting that this is a royal screw up by the EU not knowing what the consequences of their actions are.

A royal screw up? How by saying hey you must ask consent before you datamine people in a clear and understandable way?

Every year thousands of companies gets fined for braking the gdpr rules. It's not EU's fault companies tries to trick consumers anyway.

 

[I7guy]

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Well it can absolutely be their buisness intrest. Especially if Apple is breaking the law. Sufficient probable cause exist to release the information. If Apple is innocent then nothing will happen

I think the billions that Apple pays their attorneys has it covered. Even though it’s guilty until proven innocent most of the time.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Who are the people making the complaints?

From what I can see, iOS users are generally happy with the walled garden approach

Any evidence outside of anecdotal data for 10 people in a market of 400 million?

while it's a small number of influential businesses who are pushing to have the App Store opened up so they can skirt around its rules and keep the 30% cut for themselves.

You say it like it's inheritly negativ. if a buisness can cut the 30% fee then thats good for consumers and the market.

And do you have any evidence it's a small number and not a majority?

I think it's quite telling that it's the same few companies being quoted in the news (eg: Epic, Hey, Spotify, Match, Tile), yet no consumers, and for good reason too. iOS users generally do not hate walled ecosystems (that's why we are iPhone users in the first place)

Speculating without any information showing its true.

Which is why I have no qualms about calling it out for what it is - a move made by businesses to benefit businesses (and even then, only certain businesses), not consumers. Time to stop pretending it is anything else but.

Nobody is pretending, benefiting other buisnesses isn't a to consumer by default.

Like Honda has a monopoly on the accord, apple has a legal monopoly, there’s no other finding. And I guess we disagree on what government should ; which I find to be amazing that two people on an Internet forum would disagree.

A monopoly in itself is insufficient to take action against a company. You have to also prove there was harm done to the consumer (in the US) or to other businesses (for the EU).

Nope this is completely false. A monopoly isn't illegal Irespective of consequences in EU. They care only for two things that is completely detached. Having a dominating position and abusing it.
“THE DOMINANT POSITION REFERRED TO IN THIS ARTICLE (102) RELATES TO A POSITION OF ECONOMIC STRENGTH ENJOYED BY AN UNDERTAKING WHICH ENABLES IT TO PREVENT EFFECTIVE COMPETITION BEING MAINTAINED ON THE RELEVANT MARKET BY GIVING IT THE POWER TO BEHAVE TO AN APPRECIABLE EXTENT INDEPENDENTLY OF ITS COMPETITORS , CUSTOMERS AND ULTIMATELY OF ITS CONSUMERS."