Apple Publishes New Diversity and Inclusion Report

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    Apple today shared its latest report on diversity and inclusion, detailing its hiring practices over the course of the last year.


    According to Apple, from July 2016 to July 2017, half of all new hires were from "historically underrepresented groups in tech," including women, black, Hispanic, Native American, Native Hawaiian, and Other Pacific Islander.

    25% of new hires in 2016/2017 were Asian, 11% Black, 15% Hispanic, 4% multiracial, and 43% White. As of 2017, Apple employees, including retail and tech, are 68 percent male and 32 percent female. 21% are Asian, 9% are black, 12% are Hispanic, 3% are multiracial, and 54% are white. Apple's tech only and leadership only breakdowns continue to skew more heavily towards white and male, however.

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    Female representation is "steadily increasing" and is up 5 percent since 2014. 36 percent of Apple employees under 30 are women, and 32 percent overall are women. Apple says that 29 percent of "leaders" at Apple are women, a one percent increase since July of 2016.

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    Apple says that "meaningful change takes time," but with 130,000 employees, even "small percentage point changes" have the potential to affect thousands of people. A two percent increase in female representation since 2014 equates to 37,000 female hires across the globe.

    Further breakdowns of the diversity at Apple are available through Apple's updated Inclusion and Diversity website. Other topics on the site include education, programs for veterans, pay equity, accessibility, LGBTQ advocacy, and supplier programs.

    Apple says it's proud of its current accomplishments, but there's "much more work to do." "As we strive to do better, Apple will remain open. As it always has been. And always will be," reads the diversity site.

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  2. RCS31 macrumors regular

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    I think it's disgusting to even consider anything other than a candidates merit, when deciding on who to hire.
     
  3. jonblatho macrumors 6502

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    If you get tens or even hundreds of applicants for the same position with roughly identical credentials, as is often the case in many STEM fields, then whom do you hire?
     
  4. itsmilo macrumors 65816

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    Why are americans so obsessed with those statistics. I dont think i ever ran across a paper asking me „what i am“ here. Meanwhile first paper i had to sign in the US had a ethnicity question in it.

    Feels like those separate people more than bring them together
     
  5. Jason83 macrumors regular

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    If there are really that many that are really that identical in terms of stats that matter, then pick one at random. I can tell you what you DON'T do: you DON'T say "well we need a few more brown (or white, or any other shade) ones." Which is exactly what's happening.
     
  6. RoelJuun macrumors 6502

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    Just embrace competence. It might put some people ahead of others but at Apple they know (hence the status of their bank account). Just show this correct video and most people will be happy.
     
  7. Devie macrumors 6502a

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    Oh let’s make a graph showing how we separate people and hire people based on their thing that makes them different.

    What a joke.
     
  8. chriscrk macrumors 6502a

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    People who think this is bad fail to realize what is "normal" today.

    This obviously sounds weird, as if they're hiring people based on race or sexuality; but it only seems weird if you don't see the bigger picture.

    It's NOT a coincidence that men, often white, are CEO's and top executives. There is institutionalized racism, and that's a fact. It stems from western culture and how it was built up.

    So, although it seems contradictory to consider race or sexuality when hiring people as the argument is "equality", you have to realize we're currently not on a level plane field, so it's necessary to have a conscious effort to add diversity in the way Apple's doing it.
     
  9. poloponies macrumors 68030

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    Actually, that's what you do say. If you have 130,000 employees and they're overwhelmingly white then you're doing something wrong. Period. You don't have to hire a black person for every white person you hire, but you need to ensure that you're hiring fairly. So if 10% of the qualified marketplace is Asian and your workforce is only at 2% (making numbers up here) then you need to ask yourself why there's a disparity.
     
  10. Ap0ks macrumors 6502

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    Hiring on merit seems to be exactly what the data shows. It's more a case of being open and proving there's no nepotism or cronyism going on, I'm sure there are many companies still hiring based on who you know rather than what you know.

    Also by publishing the data it must benefit Apple in that talented people from all walks of life are more likely to apply to work there, rather than dismissing them as a company filled with middle-aged white men.
     
  11. dan9700 macrumors 65816

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    Its sad that politics and this kinda stuff has to be so serious why not just hire good people who cares what they look like its like its more important to have mixed people than hiring good ppl thats why my local apple store has so many helpers that know nothing
     
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    The one whose will best fit the team based on personality and critical thinking.
     
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    But politics are involved now a days, it's just not as noticeable because it's what has been "normalized" for years now.

    Why do you think it's mostly white men (and in disproportionate numbers) in high positions? Doesn't seem sketchy to you?
     
  14. ksnell macrumors 6502a

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    Sure, ask yourself why the disparity, but hiring based on race/gender to counteract any trend IS NOT equal opportunity employment.
     
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    What? What was the paper for? If it had anything to do with employment either it was:

    voluntary,
    you mistakenly thought it was compulsory,
    the company was violating employment law mandating an answer,
    you’re embellishing the story. ​

    I don’t think it’s the later, so that leaves these others.
     
  16. Mac32, Nov 9, 2017
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    More liberal nonsense. "Oh, look at how inclusive we are." At the same time you're promoting Islam, in general the most oppressive and intolerant religion in the world, by pushing jihab-wearing woman as the new normal. Of course #notallmuslims, but in general the Muslim Arab world lacks tolerance of anyone but themselves (if that), and when you get a critical mass in a given area from mass immigration and high birth rates - enter sharia, FGM, widespread anti-semittism, attacks on freedom of speech, and all kinds of backwardness. I'm amazed that people can become so naive, that they actually buy into this stuff - as well as cultural appropriation, intersectionality etc.

    This is Cultural Marxism - look it up.
     
  17. poloponies macrumors 68030

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    Why does everyone assume they're passing up qualified white candidates in favor of unqualified minorities????? There's nothing to suggest that's happening.

    This is a corporation's way of ensuring that the world inside its doors looks the same as the world outside its doors. You're all too ready to assume that Apple was a lot whiter before because it was only looking at qualified candidates. Maybe it was because all the people making hiring decisions were white and could relate more easily to white candidates.

    Look at it this way, let's say you relocate to Sweden and learn to speak the language perfectly (never mind that Swede's generally speak better English than Americans). You then apply for 20 jobs that are perfectly suited to your qualifications but are rejected every single time because the Swedish interviewer gives it to a Swedish-born candidate. You'd be fine with that?
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    So the woman in that picture is a terrorist and shouldn't be employed? WTF is your point?
     
  18. linuxcooldude, Nov 9, 2017
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    Whoa, stop right there. Institutional racism contends that it exists without showing any rational examples. Show me specific cases where its spread nationwide.

    Women in tech is a discrepancy that primarily has to do with interest in that field is not that prevalent. Shown by courses that are not enrolled by women indicative to STEM subjects.

    Women tend to place life satisfaction over job satisfaction, which is a choice rather than discrimination.

    Why don't we ever ask why we don't have more men in Human resources, teachers, nursing, social worker or physiologists? Along with other jobs dominated by women?!? Why isn't there a bigger push in getting men in to these fields?
     
  19. Mac32 macrumors 65816

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    Isn't this the very definition of "racism"? Did you know that Afro-Americans can get into Harvard University with a 450 points lower SAT score than an Asian-American, and about 370 points lower than a White person. American Universities and corporations are actually discriminating against the most talented people and ethnic groups in the name of political correctness. The biggest looser is the ethnic group North-East Asians, which on average has a higher IQ than white people. I'm so friggin' tired of this "liberal" nonsense. This is why Donald Trump won, and probably will win again in 2020.
     
  20. poloponies macrumors 68030

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    Actually, that's exactly what it is under the law. When you employ a population the size of Apple's workforce then the EEOC will absolutely take an interest if you fail to reflect a diverse workforce.
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    The law only requires that you hire in representative numbers. There are absolutely fields where 3% women is normal due to the available pool of skilled candidates. The problem arises when you see huge disparities with no obvious explanation other than selection bias.
     
  21. brendu, Nov 9, 2017
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    I think political correctness is complete ******** but Apple is likely the first company to service diverse populations around the entire planet. They provide products and services to varying ethnicities in many different countries. It is their prerogative to have employees who represent the various cultures and communities they want to sell their products to. I don’t have a problem with Apple doing this because they are a private company and can hire who they want. As long as Apple is not passing up talented employees in order to check boxes for hiring more minorities which I do not think they are doing, who really cares? If this makes you angry your life is not very hard.

    As much as I don’t like saying it, I don’t even consider Apple an American company anymore. I view them as a global company based out of America.
     
  22. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    I don't think we are primarily talking about Tech companies breaking the law on diversity/gender hiring.
     
  23. RichTF macrumors regular

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    Yup, asking for things to just carry on as normal is, ultimately, asking for implicitly racist hiring patterns to continue.

    A massive well done to Apple for continuing to make small steps towards fixing the problem.

    For people who still don’t get it, it’s probably because you think racism is about individuals and whether or not you, personally, do racist things. But it’s actually about power and social norms, who benefits from them the most, and whether you’re happy to just sit back and take those benefits, rather than wake up and see that there’s actually a massive injustice happening all around you.
     
  24. rturner2 macrumors 6502

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    Where’s my job in the medical field? So many more woman there. Don’t worry about patient care coming first!
     
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    Lets see what the Factual Feminist says about this:
     

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