Apple Pulling Iranian Apps From App Store Due to U.S. Sanctions

[Alenore]

Apparently, you are too young to remember the analogy of standing waste deep in gasoline with a fist full of matches. If using your match on your opponent means that you burn to death, then you are not going to light it. The term was "mutually assured destruction"

What you don't want is a lunatic showing up with his own matches. It's one thing for Russia, China, the US, etc. to have these matches, and another to give it to Iran and North Korea.

And disarming doesn't work, because as soon as one side thinks they could actually "win" a nuclear war, there is a chance that they would actually start one. But lunatics don't care if they can win, they are just insane, so we can't let them have them.

People complain about all the nukes, but how many launches have there been since WWII?

I'm not complaining about the fact there is nukes. Simply about the fact that only a select few have them.

Let's imagine, Russia who recently started a bunch of conflicts, is suddenly bombed, hard, by ISIS and decides to launch one at some opponent because they pinpointed their location and have to show they're strong and resolute etcetc. It's unlikely since Putin is many things but (as you said) a lunatic, but for the sake of arguments, say it happens (like he's getting old and senile and he has terrible counsellors).
Do you think someone else would use the nuclear weapon against them? Probably not, they weren't hit, and in this case there would be no escalation, and why should they start a nuclear war? There would be terrible consequences for Russia, but no matter what you do, a weapon would have been used.

Outside of that simple fact is also the problem of trusting current governments with them. Just because right now it's fine with who we have at the top doesn't mean it'll always be (and a case could be made Trump is treading a fine line with North Korea these days). Be it another guy elected or someone going crazy.
Hitler was elected, say someone like him comes to power again, how far would he be willing to go against Israel for instance?

Or even, imagine in a near future that a whole lot of countries decide to go against China/Russia/Europe because Hell, we're definitely evil in their point of view. They would have literally no opponent able to throw nukes at them either.

For a more tech point of view, take the Super-AI-gone-rogue scenario, calculating the odds of a nuclear response from potential ennemies and decining that anyway, it wouldn't be that bad to just wait a few dozen generations for the ultimate good of the human race.


Obviously all these scenarios are unlikely at worse but still *could* happen, just like the government could be going very much Big Brother on us with our Smartphones and stuff, or any other theory about what could go wrong in the future.
I'm just saying many things did go wrong during our History, and many things will still go awry, and these kind of power in only a few hands isn't necessarily a good thing.

Now, what could giving it to everyone brinbgs to the table ? Yes, more people willing to pull the trigger, but also more people able to intervene in case something goes wrong or if those who have it decide to ally. Which is, mutually assured destruction

 

[Superhai]

Sanctions have in most cases been counterproductive to their aim. But politicians love to impose them as it shows they are men or women of action.

 

[canesalato]

People complain about all the nukes, but how many launches have there been since WWII?

Over 1000 from the states alone.
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You mean the picture you posted?

 

[pdaholic]

I have been in Iran, beautiful place with the nicest people in the world.
I think most Americans don't even realise the above, either they are brainwashed have little education or just not interested except in their own country.

You know what's funny, ask an American where he/she's from and most likely they will say Canadian.(When in Asia/central-south America and lots of other places)

My wife and her family are all from Iran. While I agree with you that they are very nice people, I've seen several video clips (shared by my in-laws) where Iranian people gather enmass chanting "death to America." I've seen photos of signs in Iran that translated to "bomb America." Not every Iranian feels this way, just as not every American feels anger towards Iran. You should realize, however, that animosity exists on both sides.

And an American telling people in a foreign country that they are from Canada or some other place isn't "funny" it's actually smart. There's a lot of hatred out there for Americans, so no need to advertise and potentially invoke trouble while traveling.

 

[justperry]

My wife and her family are all from Iran. While I agree with you that they are very nice people, I've seen several video clips (shared by my in-laws) where Iranian people gather enmass chanting "death to America." I've seen photos of signs in Iran that translated to "bomb America." Not every Iranian feels this way, just as not every American feels anger towards Iran. You should realize, however, that animosity exists on both sides.

And an American telling people in a foreign country that they are from Canada or some other place isn't "funny" it's actually smart. There's a lot of hatred out there for Americans, so no need to advertise and potentially invoke trouble while traveling.

Bad people everywhere, just look at the states lately.

I am aware why americans say they are from Canada, just find it funny sometimes, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Bug-Creator]

I've seen several video clips (shared by my in-laws) where Iranian people gather enmass chanting "death to America." I've seen photos of signs in Iran that translated to "bomb America."

Sure, after almost 40 years of constant sanctions, threats and whatsnot it's far to easy for the regime to blame everything on the US.

Stop that nonsense, stop being a scapegoat and some times later you'd might see Iranians stand up against the Mullahs.

Same reason why NK and Cuba are the only communist states that survived 1990......

 

[gnasher729]

Sorry but what does Iranian mean?

Ahem... there is this country named Iran. Between Iraq and Afghanistan. With a capitol named Teheran. With thousands of years of history. With a democratic government in 1950 that was destroyed by the USA, who replaced it with a despot who robbed the country blind and killed thousands of citizens. Until in the late seventies, the population of Iran, led by their clerics, overthrew that government to become independent again. Then twenty years later, they were attacked by their neighbouring country Iraq, which at that time was good friends with the USA, with an enormous army supplied by the USA. This time, thousands of Iranian citizens were killed in poison gas attacks.
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I am aware why americans say they are from Canada, just find it funny sometimes, nothing more nothing less.

They should know that Canadians and Americans are both obnoxious, but in totally different ways. Everyone knows they are American, no matter what they claim.

 

[Nunyabinez]

Over 1000 from the states alone.
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You mean the picture you posted?

There have been 1000 nuclear warheads detonated since WWII, or are you trying to make it look like you answered my question whey you know damn well that not one nuclear weapon has been used on people since then?

 

[canesalato]

There have been 1000 nuclear warheads detonated since WWII, or are you trying to make it look like you answered my question whey you know damn well that not one nuclear weapon has been used on people since then?

Both, there have been over 1000 nuclear warheads detonated since WWII and I’m trying to answer your question. You are right, no nuclear weapon has been used in war, but over 1000 were detonated, many order of magnitude more powerful than Hiroshima, causing distruction, suffering and pollution. Take the Marshall island and the Bikini atoll.
Civilians were used as guinea pigs, on purpose, to better understand the effects of radiations and their home has been contaminated and will stay contaminated for years. It is a very sad page of history, forgotten by most. I was lucky enough to speak with some descendants of those people. I know that those Pacific islands are insignificant collateral damage for most people, but for the pacific people who live there, including me, who never engaged in war neither with Russia, Corea, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam etc., they are home. They are everything.
And some crazy American general thought it was ok to blast nuclear warheads on these islands. It’s because of this mentality that US people sometimes have to say they are Canadians when they travel (not talking about YOUR mentality, we don’t know each other ).

 

[saudade]

Ahem... there is this country named Iran. Between Iraq and Afghanistan. With a capitol named Teheran. With thousands of years of history. With a democratic government in 1950 that was destroyed by the USA, who replaced it with a despot who robbed the country blind and killed thousands of citizens. Until in the late seventies, the population of Iran, led by their clerics, overthrew that government to become independent again. Then twenty years later, they were attacked by their neighbouring country Iraq, which at that time was good friends with the USA, with an enormous army supplied by the USA. This time, thousands of Iranian citizens were killed in poison gas attacks.
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They should know that Canadians and Americans are both obnoxious, but in totally different ways. Everyone knows they are American, no matter what they claim.

So are you pro Iran?

 

[canesalato]

So are you pro Iran?

What does it mean “pro Iran”? It sounds like a rather childish definition of a person opinion

 

[justperry]

So are you pro Iran?

WTH
You should go there, maybe your view on this country will change dramatically.
But hey, sticking your head in the sand is another option.

 

[valdikor]

WTH
You should go there, maybe your view on this country will change dramatically.
But hey, sticking your head in the sand is another option.

This.

The Iranian regime is a bunch of fanatics and criminals who first and foremost terribly hurt especially their own people.
But the Iranian people are the most warm-hearted, hospitable, cultured, educated, talented people you will meet anywhere. After all, their are the heirs of old Persians, one of the oldest and most sophisticated ancient civilizations and their contemporary culture and way of life echoes it strongly.

The lack of nuance and ability to make this distinction is the main problem here.

 

[Diving Capers]

There may be some backlash for Tim for removing the Koran from the App Store.

I wonder if there are or have ever been any consequences for Saudi Arabia as a result of them banning anyone (including foreigners) from owning a bible?

FYI: I lived in the sandbox for 4.5 years.

 

[saudade]

WTH
You should go there, maybe your view on this country will change dramatically.
But hey, sticking your head in the sand is another option.

My brother died there in a mision. I know what this people do to our brothers. Do u?

 

[justperry]

My brother died there in a mision. I know what this people do to our brothers. Do u?

My brother died a year ago in a hospital, does that make it a bad hospital or a bad doctor.

 

[iDento]

My brother died there in a mision. I know what this people do to our brothers. Do u?

What mission? Is it CIA-related? The US/NATO got no troops in there!

 

[okboy]

What does it mean “pro Iran”? It sounds like a rather childish definition of a person opinion

Iran owns.

 

[stylinexpat]

Would be anti-Semitic had America banned apps from Israel and Racist had Trump banned them from Nexico or another country..

We have some very hypocritical biased decisions that get passed in America. Guess who was on this and helped push for this to be passed in Congress,Senate and White House..?