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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Software Updater

10.2.8 (SE) and FireWire

Since the update of the 'new' 10.2.8 i have serieus firewire issues. To check if it was the external HDs or the G4 I hooked it up to an different G4 and it works fine there. Never had problems with the Firewire HDs before.
It just doesn't mount. And when it does it falls of the desktop after a few minutes with a warning to follow. Help?
 
Re: 10.2.8 (SE) and FireWire

Originally posted by Mattnh
Since the update of the 'new' 10.2.8 i have serieus firewire issues. To check if it was the external HDs or the G4 I hooked it up to an different G4 and it works fine there. Never had problems with the Firewire HDs before.
It just doesn't mount. And when it does it falls of the desktop after a few minutes with a warning to follow. Help? mattnh@zonnet.nl
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Mattnh,

Usually not a good idea to put your email addy in posts, for a number of reasons.

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Mattnh,

Usually not a good idea to put your email addy in posts, for a number of reasons.

AppleMatt
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yup. edit your post and remove it.
 
Just had a major drag until I realized that old system disks, such as diskwarrior and Jaguar, won't boot the G5.

Had to make an emergency boot CD with a neatt little program called, I think, Boot CD.
 
Firewire and 10.2.8

I still would like to know what's happening with Apple and FireWire. It seems, also in other threats, that they (Apple) are not doing the best thing around... My FW HD keeps falling of the desktop and can not mount after updating to 10.2.8.:(
 
Re: Firewire and 10.2.8

Originally posted by Mattnh
I still would like to know what's happening with Apple and FireWire. It seems, also in other threats, that they (Apple) are not doing the best thing around... My FW HD keeps falling of the desktop and can not mount after updating to 10.2.8.:(
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It isn't necessarily a Firewire issue. I tell you both my iSight, and my Firewire hard drives mount in 10.2.8 without issue. There must be some other factor. Some people have reported issues with Macs and Maxtor drives which includes those drives that have a Maxtor inside the Firewire case. It could also be how the drive was formatted.
 
Re: Re: Firewire and 10.2.8

Originally posted by gopher
It isn't necessarily a Firewire issue. I tell you both my iSight, and my Firewire hard drives mount in 10.2.8 without issue. There must be some other factor. Some people have reported issues with Macs and Maxtor drives which includes those drives that have a Maxtor inside the Firewire case. It could also be how the drive was formatted.
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I have the Maxtor 5400 rpm FireWire drive, the original 10.2.8, and no problems. Maybe someone can figure that one out.
 
Re: Re: Re: Firewire and 10.2.8

Originally posted by bousozoku
I have the Maxtor 5400 rpm FireWire drive, the original 10.2.8, and no problems. Maybe someone can figure that one out.
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I should say, it may be specific Maxtor drives or installed drivers that may pose a difficulty.
 
My specs

Maybe that my system-specs give some enlightment ;)
- Apple DP G4 1.25 GHz (OS 9 bootable).
- 512 Mb memory.
- Running 10.2.6 at the moment. I reverted from 10.2.8 after the HD-problems started. 10.2.6 has brought up no problems before, for a few months. Seemed save to me. My former 10.2.6 was running on a G4 733 MHz, the DP G4 1.25 GHz is my new machine.
- 2 External IceCube FireWire HDs, loaded with Western Digital 120 Gb disks with 8 Mb cache (special edition). No RAID, just two seperate HDs.

Disk Utility and DiskWarrior say that HDs are OK (for as long as they stay mounted) and hooked up to other G4s they work fine. Could it be the discussed FW-ports of the G4? They're still mounting shabby and loose contact with the G4.
 
Re: My specs

Originally posted by Mattnh
Maybe that my system-specs give some enlightment ;)
- Apple DP G4 1.25 GHz (OS 9 bootable).
- 512 Mb memory.
- Running 10.2.6 at the moment. I reverted from 10.2.8 after the HD-problems started. 10.2.6 has brought up no problems before, for a few months. Seemed save to me. My former 10.2.6 was running on a G4 733 MHz, the DP G4 1.25 GHz is my new machine.
- 2 External IceCube FireWire HDs, loaded with Western Digital 120 Gb disks with 8 Mb cache (special edition). No RAID, just two seperate HDs.

Disk Utility and DiskWarrior say that HDs are OK (for as long as they stay mounted) and hooked up to other G4s they work fine. Could it be the discussed FW-ports of the G4? They're still mounting shabby and loose contact with the G4.
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Yes, if two operating systems yield the same result, suspect the hardware.
 
After a day in the testfield

It was a frustrating sunday, I must say.
Reverted to 10.2.6 and the works. Machine runs smooth and the permissions are repaired. The FW HDs keep dropping of my machine after all. The G4s of my collegues have NO ISSUES AT ALL with the HD. Even after deep sleep they wake up as expected and like I was used to with my G4 733. Even after hours. No harm. Files O.K..
F#*K THAT!
Must be my FireWire's on the BRAND NEW machine after all.
Is this a know problem?
This could suck...
I read something about getting a FireWire HUB as buffer. Could that work/help?
 
Re: After a day in the testfield

Originally posted by Mattnh
It was a frustrating sunday, I must say.
Reverted to 10.2.6 and the works. Machine runs smooth and the permissions are repaired. The FW HDs keep dropping of my machine after all. The G4s of my collegues have NO ISSUES AT ALL with the HD. Even after deep sleep they wake up as expected and like I was used to with my G4 733. Even after hours. No harm. Files O.K..
F#*K THAT!
Must be my FireWire's on the BRAND NEW machine after all.
Is this a know problem?
This could suck...
I read something about getting a FireWire HUB as buffer. Could that work/help?
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Firewire on any machine can fail for no other reason that dust or static electricity. Sure you could use a Firewire hub, but if neither of your Firewire ports is working, I don't know how much that will help you. There are plenty of Firewire PCI cards out there you can get, many available from http://www.macsales.com/
 
Re: Re: After a day in the testfield

Originally posted by gopher
Firewire on any machine can fail for no other reason that dust or static electricity.
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Does that mean that Serial ATA is more reliable?
 
Well that failure usually would not happen when it is already plugged in. It could happen as you are plugging it in, or during a period of non-use.

I wouldn't know if serial ATA is more or less reliable, but you should have no trouble plugging in a Firewire drive. A few though have reported problems with Firewire drives falling asleep on them, and it has happened to me a few times, and as a result, I wrote this freeware script called Spindown Fix:

http://www.macmaps.com/software.html
 
Pismo Wake from Sleep Issues

Well, initially I thought that the 10.2.8 update introduced no issues on my 500mhz Pismo. However, I have found out now that it has caused problems with Waking from sleep, an issue that had been fixed on my machine with 10.2.6

I know it is not a hardware issue, because Sleep always works without a hitch on Mac OS 9.2.2

So, in 10.2.8, waking from sleep either;

-Wakes the entire system except for the Screen.....which stays dark.

-Wakes only the harddrive, while the rest of the system stays powered down.

I've tried everything to resolve the issue;

-"Reset-NVRAM" & "Reset-All" in Open Firmware
-Manually resetting the PMU (small button behind the Pismo).
-Reseting PRAM (both with techtool & option+Cmd+P+R on boot)
-trashing Power Mangement Preferences in OS X.

OS X has to be the issue, and hopefully Apple will have this fixed with Panther. It's kind of ridiculous that Apple shrug off the problem......There is no reason why this feature should be buggy to the point where it is dangerous to use it......I just lost some data a few days back because the machine wouldn't wake from sleep, because they were temporary files, the process of rebooting erased them.....thats a problem!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Do you really want to open the case and work inside your G5 while it's running?
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I meant if you're running SATA out to external SATA enclosures, then can you hot-swap the plugs?
 
Oxford Bridge

This is something I found on the net.
Anything you'll know about?

"Incidentally, something NOT fixed in OS 10.2.8 -- with both Oxford 911 and Initio bridge boards"

Just the bridge I got in my IceCubes...
 
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