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hmm... I'm running that update and Safari 14 in Mojave on my 2012 Mac Mini. Don't seem to have those mentioned issues.
Prior to the update I did used to get beachbals all the time, but that seems to have stopped.

actually come to think of it, my system does have a strange issue when its idling. Check out this screen shot of power gadget. My system was idling here and when I move the mouse, everything starts dropping down. I just realize this started happening after I did those updates. 🤔

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Hmm interesting, on my Mojave system Safari 14 works just fine. Maybe it's also related to some other security updates, I skipped a few of them lately...
Mine too because I skipped the last Sec Update 2020-005 and no issues and I have to add I like Safari 14
Matches iOS 14 😉
 
Does Apple at least require some level of internal dog fooding? Like, install it on your family machine at home, encourage your spouse to try it out and live with a little bit. I’m sure they would catch some of these issues. Controlled betas and internal clients are not gonna find showstoppers like actual production systems out in the wild. They also need to get a special subset of out in the wild testers, like actual A/B testing.

Anyway, still on High Sierra and it’s a good reason I am. I surely wouldn’t want to even upgrade to Big Sur, because of amount code changes in there partly due to it targeting two different CPU architectures. On top of that, with Apple Silicon likely being the internal priority going forward, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Intel versions of macOS become more buggy and sloppy going forward, too; especially on older machines.

On a side note, the need outside of security to upgrade every year I think is overrated. Before the Intel jump, you had Mac users who kept old PowerPC and even 68000 Macs for years often with outdated versions of the OS. The drive for feature rich revisions, most of which are one time gimmicks you try then never use again, have really lessened the desire to upgrade so often.

I am sure a lot of you will disagree because you are part of the mainstream upgrade every second generation. But one thing this pandemic has thought me is sometimes you need a reset and you need to slowdown.
 
Interestingly enough, I am on Catalina and started noticing issues with Safari last night. New tabs are all of a sudden opening much slower, and don’t rendering in the tab header seems off too. I was wondering if something else was going on, but I think that was the first time I used Safari since the big update.
 
Apple makes this very easy! Reinstall the OS and restore your files from a backup.
Pretty much it, its also a case of Safari 14 being a example of where you can't uninstall it or roll it back. I don't see much parties interested in this Mojave update, but Apple was trying to update the older version of Safaris in Catalina/Mojave against new web page performance and privacy. Pulling it was likely to bug fix the last version against feedback issues.

Unlike multiple platform versions of Firefox being constantly updated to improve web page compatibility, security, and privacy. You guys with older MacOS's have been stuck with a older Safari browser that lacks that type of maintenance. At lease Apple was trying going back and authoring separate versions of Safari 14 for Mojave and Catalina even if it wasn't perfect. They are still working on both AFAIK.

In the meanwhile switch to using Firefox 81.0 until they get this fixed. :)
 
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Does Apple at least require some level of internal dog fooding? Like, install it on your family machine at home, encourage your spouse to try it out and live with a little bit. I’m sure they would catch some of these issues. Controlled betas and internal clients are not gonna find showstoppers like actual production systems out in the wild. They also need to get a special subset of out in the wild testers, like actual A/B testing.

Anyway, still on High Sierra and it’s a good reason I am. I surely wouldn’t want to even upgrade to Big Sur, because of amount code changes in there partly due to it targeting two different CPU architectures. On top of that, with Apple Silicon likely being the internal priority going forward, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Intel versions of macOS become more buggy and sloppy going forward, too; especially on older machines.

On a side note, the need outside of security to upgrade every year I think is overrated. Before the Intel jump, you had Mac users who kept old PowerPC and even 68000 Macs for years often with outdated versions of the OS. The drive for feature rich revisions, most of which are one time gimmicks you try then never use again, have really lessened the desire to upgrade so often.

I am sure a lot of you will disagree because you are part of the mainstream upgrade every second generation. But one thing this pandemic has thought me is sometimes you need a reset and you need to slowdown.
So don’t upgrade, nobody is forcing you. You don’t have to post your internal dialogue, just stay on whatever version you want.
 
Yep. Just have to have that full installer. That's why I always save the last full downloadable installer of most Mac os's

That's what I thought. Then some certificates had expired. Last spring I had to update a Mac Mini Server from Snow Leopard to El Capitan. I could still download all needed Software.
 
That's what I thought. Then some certificates had expired. Last spring I had to update a Mac Mini Server from Snow Leopard to El Capitan. I could still download all needed Software.

If the certificate has expired all you have to do is turn off wifi, temporarily turn back the date to the year the OS was released, then run the installer.
Despite what some may say, that will ALWAYS work, even years down the road. Trying to find a new installer with the supposedly updated certificate is not worth the trouble ... and eventually that 'newer' installer will have an expired certificate as well.
 
Because Quicktime Player 7 was never replaced, and it just does so much handy stuff with QuickTime Pro compared to almost anything else when you just want to futz with video files. Yeah I get I can launch a full NLE (I have FCPX and Premier) but Jesus when you just want to splice 2 videos together in 10 seconds it's sure is easy. Or drop an audio track. Apple always promised those features would get replaced (but they never were, just like photos didn't really replace Aperture despite their claims that it did)
 
About four months ago, I got to a point on Catalina where everything just about works, albeit sometimes slowly. Not touching any new Apple update with a barge pole until I'm certain it's stable and reliable. I used to look forward to new software releases, not anymore. Big Sur better be good when it's finally released or I'm going nowhere.
 
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good for you

I know, right? It's like some people feel the need to say “me, I'm not seeing problems”. That's an anecdotal sample of 1. With any issue, even if it's widespread, there's going to be some people who don't have it. That's a given. So hearing about a one-off case of someone who has no issues offers nothing to the conversation.
 
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Mojave for life at this stage.

I used to be excited for Apple updates, but these days they don't seem to care about the quality of the mac OS...

With Big Sur plus Apple Silicon, they've probably got too much going for the number of high-talent macOS system developers they have; so things slide.

IMO, starting with the Big Sur updates and continuing to the next release after Big Sur, they need to spend time more on OS quality than on new features.
 
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Because the alternative that is still receiving security updates is Catalina, and no one wants to use that unless they have to.

I was hanging onto Mojave because of Dashboard. I really didn't want to lose that feature! But I took the leap and it's been fine. I've found alternative apps. Not as good, but good enough. Catalina has been rocking it fine on my 2013 MacBook Air with 4GB of RAM. I just replaced the internal 7 year old SSD with a new one from OWC, and reinstalling Catalina took less than an hour and is rocking just fine. No problems.
 
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