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Apple Pulls Products from Environmental EPEAT Registry
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Yes, it is Apple's business to make money.
An entire company run inside an OS would be interesting, actually, even if it's Windows.
I think its about the ease of tearing apart the machines with recycling companies current tools and machines available to these recyclers. They don't have the ability to deal with the new types of enclosures or builds Apple is making, which is required to continue to innovate in the sector. We all know you need special tools to open a MBPro Retina or iPad/iPhone.
So lets turn this around...
Why can't EPEAT require their recyclers to upgrade their tools and machines so they can handle these new sets of computers/tablets/smartphones, etc. from Apple???
I think it's a fair question.
I personally don't think Apple needs to be 'stuck' in the past nor do I expect them to not innovate because of this. In fact I believe its up to the EPEAT to require their 'recyclers' to upgrade their tools to be able to handle the next generation of these types of machines...
Lastly, don't be surprised if Apple offers their own 'recycling' soon on their products.
If being sarcastic the Mac Pro does actually have a battery. It's called the PRAM battery.
Our school wanted to save the planet, so they printed out a bunch of papers that say "recycling" and taped them to the recycling bins that already say "recycling" on them. Going green!
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Yeah, but I was assuming a PRAM battery would always be replaceable. And I think desktop Macs should have small laptop batteries in them for power outages or surges. I actually did ask that question on the Apple support forums, and someone just replied "no".
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You don't turn the planet-saving organization around. You make the big, evil, nasty corporation change.
I've been an Apple user for a long time.
I will not be buying a "Retina" MacBook Pro solely because I do not agree with the direction those machines are heading in. If Apple continues to depreciate existing hardware in favour for machines that are literally held together with glue, then I will never buy an Apple laptop again.
There's a dozen ways in which Apple could have gone about the assembly of these machines differently, and left the lithium packs easily removable and serviceable. But they didn't- they sprang for the cheapest and fastest way of assembling the machine and covered the whole thing up with a healthy coating of "because we wanted to make it thinner" marketing ********.
These machines are disposable, plain and simple- the same way the iPad 2 is. They were never designed to be serviced, they were designed to fail and be replaced. You absolutely 100% have to purchase Applecare with the rMBP because you'd have to be insane not to- if your battery goes, the chassis is toast. If a single bit in your 16GB of main memory (note that the rMBP RAM is not ECC) goes, the logic board is toast. If your iSight breaks, your entire monitor is toast.
I'm all for thinner and lighter systems, but the rMBP has simply gone too far. And that's disappointing. And for the first time in a long time, I'm actually siding with the environmentalists on this one- I hope Apple feels the burn of their actions, and that this actually hurts them in the long run.
Only then will they realize how jaw-droppingly retarded building systems like this actually is, and we might get new models that are only marginally thicker (less then a millimetre) and actually serviceable.
-SC
I will not be buying a "Retina" MacBook Pro solely because I do not agree with the direction those machines are heading in. If Apple continues to depreciate existing hardware in favour for machines that are literally held together with glue, then I will never buy an Apple laptop again.
There's a dozen ways in which Apple could have gone about the assembly of these machines differently, and left the lithium packs easily removable and serviceable. But they didn't- they sprang for the cheapest and fastest way of assembling the machine and covered the whole thing up with a healthy coating of "because we wanted to make it thinner" marketing ********.
These machines are disposable, plain and simple- the same way the iPad 2 is. They were never designed to be serviced, they were designed to fail and be replaced. You absolutely 100% have to purchase Applecare with the rMBP because you'd have to be insane not to- if your battery goes, the chassis is toast. If a single bit in your 16GB of main memory (note that the rMBP RAM is not ECC) goes, the logic board is toast. If your iSight breaks, your entire monitor is toast.
I'm all for thinner and lighter systems, but the rMBP has simply gone too far. And that's disappointing. And for the first time in a long time, I'm actually siding with the environmentalists on this one- I hope Apple feels the burn of their actions, and that this actually hurts them in the long run.
Only then will they realize how jaw-droppingly retarded building systems like this actually is, and we might get new models that are only marginally thicker (less then a millimetre) and actually serviceable.
-SC
I was really only upset about the lack of Firewire and ethernet and the soldered-on RAM. That is total BS. And, if anything, why didn't Apple make a retina 13" model? The way to stick with the Apple I liked is to stick with my 2008 Mac. That's when Apple was at the top of their game.
Nope. It's powered off the smug satisfaction the owner generates due to owning a retina MBP.
Every time the owner types the word "innovation" on a forum, the rMBP gets an extra 10 minutes of battery life.
We're talking about the Mac Pro, not the MacBook Pro Retina. I actually want a small laptop battery in my Mac Pro and/or in the iMac models to thwart the power hiccups that California Edison allows. Now THAT would be "innovation" if the technology would work for this.
I'm more likely to believe that this will be a trend of more and more companies getting away from these groups vs it hurting apple.
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I agree that it creates a worse user experience:
- You can't carry an extra battery with you.
- If your battery dies, you can't buy one online. You need your computer serviced (out of commission).
- If your hard drive dies, you need service.
- If something in your computer besides your hard drive dies, you can't take it out and pop it in an enclosure to keep working while your computer gets repaired. In fact, if you send it in to be repaired, you could lose your hard drive data. What if you hadn't backed up? In the past, you could just take the drive out, seat it in a similar Mac or put it in an enclosure. Now, even if your drive is fully functional, but the computer won't work for another reason, and you send off your computer to be repaired for a separate issue, you have no way to retrieve the data, unless you had already backed up.
I could see the closed unit MacBook working out better if Apple allowed for such simple exchanges, had super cheap prices for out of warranty replacements like they do iPhones, and the technology were there and used more often for frequent complete backups. But as it right now, it's a compromise. Apple repairs MacBooks by sending them off. Out of warranty repairs (logic board, display, for example) are not cost feasible. And a lot of people don't back up their computers. When you seal it all up, you take away the customer's ability to get around those compromising service issues.
It depends on how strong this organization's power is. I have honestly never heard of EPEAT before, so I don't know how great the risk of saying "@#$% you" to them is.
...oh. Well...uh...
It's late, I'm tired, and I should've gone to bed hours ago. Just...uh...excuse me.
Also, you could always buy a UPS to combat the brown outs and few second power interrupts. It's not the small, sleek solution you're probably looking for, but it'll do exactly what you want.
It's late, I'm tired, and I should've gone to bed hours ago. Just...uh...excuse me.
Also, you could always buy a UPS to combat the brown outs and few second power interrupts. It's not the small, sleek solution you're probably looking for, but it'll do exactly what you want.
I do hope that Apple will come up with a way to keep things thin while making them easy to disassemble. I think it's great that they can produce such nice products, but there's nothing I hate more than glued together products, when repairs are basically impossible.
Not that I'm going to try to repair my motherboard or anything like that anyway, but this pretty much means that computers are becoming much less modular (if at all) and more of a disposable product.
I don't mind the iPhone being disposable, since after 2-3 years it becomes so slow anyway that it's impossible to use even if it works fine on the hardware side. In that sense it's a disposable product anyway, so repairability is not relevant.
For a MacBook Pro, I don't expect to bin the whole computer as it is every 3 years like clockwork. Extending the life with more RAM and more storage should be easy and should add 1-2 extra years, which can be very valuable when you just so happen to not have a giant pile of gold in your wallet.
Not that I'm going to try to repair my motherboard or anything like that anyway, but this pretty much means that computers are becoming much less modular (if at all) and more of a disposable product.
I don't mind the iPhone being disposable, since after 2-3 years it becomes so slow anyway that it's impossible to use even if it works fine on the hardware side. In that sense it's a disposable product anyway, so repairability is not relevant.
For a MacBook Pro, I don't expect to bin the whole computer as it is every 3 years like clockwork. Extending the life with more RAM and more storage should be easy and should add 1-2 extra years, which can be very valuable when you just so happen to not have a giant pile of gold in your wallet.
Really? Could have sworn they where here to innovate computer and mobile technology. They are not an investment bank.
As per apples website http://investor.apple.com/faq.cfm?FaqSetID=6
I will ignore this as I didn't realize you were 16 or at least your level of humor is.
Gluing probably shaved down a few millimeters because the glue takes up almost no space, but there is a weight/size threshold for laptops that the MBPR is still not below. Until it goes below that (around MacBook Air weight/size), I don't care how thick or heavy it is as long as it's not as thick and heavy as the 2007 MBPs.
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Just because they aren't a bank doesn't mean their mission isn't to make money. Do you think they're going to put on their site: "Our mission is to make money."? Every business's mission is to make money unless it is non-profit, and even some non-profits still have that mission.
What does realizing my age have to do with Apple running inside of Windows?
I wouldn't get all up in arms here yet.
Go do some searching on their website and see who else is missing.
That would be most ultra books and some newer laptops.
http://ww2.epeat.net/searchoptions.aspx
Go do some searching on their website and see who else is missing.
That would be most ultra books and some newer laptops.
http://ww2.epeat.net/searchoptions.aspx
I'm not going to sit here and protect Apple, but a business is a business. They aren't here to protect your interests or be a flower in the environment. Businesses are setup to make profit. If you don't agree with whatever Apple is doing and need to make a dramatic statement, stop buying the products and move on your life. If the laws allow what businesses are doing, that means the public in general agrees to the behavior. Don't sit there and tell me if you had a business worth billions, providing thousands of jobs, you wouldn't make decisions like these.
If yes, then exactly, you shouldn't be running a business, regardless working your 9-5 contributes to this cycle as well so... rinse and repeat. Also, Apple probably contributes more money to the environment than you will in five lifetimes.
It's good to see that there are long time users who do realize that apple is shooting itself in the foot. As much as I love some parts of the retina macbook I am holding out at the moment. I think the design will be changed very quickly IMO, with the direction it's going quality in design and hardware is starting to slide.
There should be a section in this forum for discussion that excludes fanboyism.
What is supposed to fit in that 4-character space? Anyway, I also don't like Greenpeace or many of these environmental organizations. Their goal seems like it's a bit different from just saving the environment.
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Remember when Apple dropped Firewire from all MacBook models or something? I think it was back in 2008. They also got rid of some other features. They quickly realized their mistake, luckily. I'm a bit scared this time since they seem to be successful in this case. I hate the MBPR design.
This is satisfying. I like it when these dumb standards organizations get shunned.
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Many non-profit organizations' goal is not to make money, and Greenpeace is non-profit, so I wouldn't automatically assign that goal to them.
I've worked for a couple non-profits as well as corporations, they operate the same way. People always trying to move up, show more profit and step on people to move up. The higher-ups like to see that because it makes more money and keeps them in their director roles since the npo is making money.
So, you didn't make a lot of money this quater or whatever? You're fired.
I am giggling at some of the reactions here. Sure, the MacBook pro retina is less user serviceable, but that wouldn't significantly effect its recyclability. It's not as though user servicing is all that common, and the poster complianing about not being able to take along a spare battery: seriously? Must be a blackberry user.
This story is really about the limitations of regulation and standards. A reg that makes sense when it is originally made, usually after time becomes anachronistic. These EPEAT standards are just another example as changes in technology make them less relevant and workable. They just need to be updated to reflect how ultrabooks and tablets are made.
This story is really about the limitations of regulation and standards. A reg that makes sense when it is originally made, usually after time becomes anachronistic. These EPEAT standards are just another example as changes in technology make them less relevant and workable. They just need to be updated to reflect how ultrabooks and tablets are made.