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It's not needed and archaic.


What an ignorant statement. It's absolutely needed for 3d professionals, who do thinks like TV commercials, simulations, games, films, etc.

Was your statement more full of ignorance or more full of arrogance. It's difficult to determine. Full of it, for sure.

You might not need it for your work, great. Leave it at that.
 
My sources say that Mac Pro death threads get the hits. So keep em coming. Something better than an iMac will be released. As users DO need better than a consumer i7.
 
So that's all you care about? What others think of the products you use?

Some people use iPhone's for work. Some use iPads. Some use Mac Mini's. Some use iMacs.

Some people use iPhones to produce graphic solutions for advertising, branding and marketing? I didnt know this. Can you point me to a link where I can buy such a device that will replace my Mac Pro?
 
As a current Mac Pro owner I'm pretty much OK with this, provided that Thunderbolt is widely adopted by companies like AJA and BlackMagic. I would also like to see Thunderbolt based external video cards from AMD and nVidia. Once those become more common then I really don't see why the Mac Pro needs to continue to exist.
 
Well, if they did just one more very nice release, and actually came out saying it would be the last of the tower-pc era, I think a lot more people would buy it!
 
Apple's flagship lineup:

Notebooks. It's not even desktops. You can make a case for the iMac but not in units moved.

The premiere model in the notebook lineup:

MacBook Pro

Major current and future influences on this lineup:

Hardware side:

MacBook Air (were already seeing rumblings of this)
A-series chips (it's coming)

Software side:

iOS
Siri (hopefully in the near future)
 
Just got a 2x Xenon Hex core 1U ASUS server with 24Gb Ram and 1Tb drive for just over $2600 from newegg. Why would I want to spend over $8K for the close to the same thing from Apple? I'm runing Win7 on it but it could just as easily be Linux and still help me with my network rendering just fine.
 
How about an iMac Pro? Expandibility is quite possible through the Thunderbolt port or ports to come.

Oh, but the RAM will need more expansion slots. Why get a 16 core machine that can only address 8 GB?

Notable to me is, why just the "salesmen"? At Apple, the salesmen don't decide. They might not even have good rumors over there.
 
My sources say that Mac Pro death threads get the hits. So keep em coming. Something better than an iMac will be released. As users DO need better than a consumer i7.

A week ago you were using the same argument to say that Apple would never dream of killing the Mac Pro.

It's altogether possible, like it or not.

It's amazing how in every context imaginable, humanity loves to settle beside the river DeNile.
 
A week ago you were using the same argument to say that Apple would never dream of killing the Mac Pro.

It's altogether possible, like it or not.

It's amazing how in every context imaginable, humanity loves to settle beside the river DeNile.

Look at most of the members on this site. They are anything but a reflection of the market at large and the direction in which it is moving.
 
The post you speak of is proving my point. Is no way working pro would have time to write such long comment on silly MR message board. You don't know troll when you see one, no?

Pros are up on trends and know big tower is silly and old fashioned. Is unecessary. iMac beat Mac Pro in all meaningful benchmarks.

Fact.

:apple:

Major derp moment: iMacs were refreshed, Mac Pro refresh processors were delayed. Hence the lack of sales and performance.
Do you know how annoying it is to have a TN screen sandwiched between two IPS displays?

And I know for a fact that you don't know how annoying it is when people believe misinformation.
 
Mac Pros should be custom made-to-order and not pre-made in-store. Make it available for professionals while cutting down overhead.
 
I went to the Apple store, I asked if they knew about a new Mac Pro coming out. The sales person said there is no need for a Mac Pro, not with Thunderbolt out.

This is where you got the answer but missed it.

The Mac Pro's overall distinguishing feature is its case. Not just the beauty and clever arrangement, but the exceptional build that enables it to run cool and silent even with very hot components. Today, you could fit a Mac Pro's components minus its cooling features inside a case as small as a Mac Mini. Originally built for the PowerMac, because its PowerPC G4 and G5 chips ran really hot, this case cooled extremely well while remaining quiet. However, the power that Pro's are looking for can run on cooler chips these days, dismissing the need for such a case.

There was also a requirement to have high end components running inside the case because no other I/O could run as fast outside of it. You couldn't just plug in a top of the line video card via USB or FireWire nor could you get the high speeds of Pro HDD storage systems via those ports.

Thunderbolt eliminates that problem. Pro components inside a Mac Mini could approach the power of a mid range Mac Pro. A modular approach with daisy chained Mac Mini's could surpass it. Add as many Mac Minis as the power you require.

Thunderbolt enables this. This is your answer. Apple just needs to fully support it in OSX. Once they do, the Mac Pro becomes redundant. Stacked Mac Minis with high end components in Mac Mini style enclosures daisy chained into the stack becomes the future of the Mac Pro.
 
The post you speak of is proving my point. Is no way working pro would have time to write such long comment on silly MR message board. You don't know troll when you see one, no?

Pros are up on trends and know big tower is silly and old fashioned. Is unecessary. iMac beat Mac Pro in all meaningful benchmarks.

Fact.

:apple:

Not fact or only fact with lowest 2.8 and 3.2 Quad core Mac Pro's. So badly threaded applications like iTunes is meaningful benchmark? Mac Pro beats iMac with silly stick in PCMark, Cinebench, Geekbench, Photoshop, After effects, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pro-tools, and the list goes on.
iMac beats Mac Pro in single threaded tests that rely on 1 core as Sandy Bridge has a higher turbo ratio to clock to and 5-10% better execution on same single core. You need some education son.
 
Here's the rundown of the business strategy Apple is using.

Sigh.... I recently saw this thread and it already up to 200 posts. so skip to the end and find the typical disinformation being thrown about. ... Oh well.

The overall goal is quite simple: Reach as many markets as you can and sell good products to those markets.

Markets are composed of the problems and workloads that people want to put on the computer.

Apple's goal is not to enter as many submarkets as they can. If a product doesn't sell in high enough numbers to gets axed. It is really that simple. Some submarkets are either small or extremely commoditized (very little "value add" can be used to differentiate product).


These "consumer" , "prosumer" , and "pro" labels have devolved into a pile to backwards retrofitted hocus pocus to justify

Consumer means that you buy it primarily for your own personal enjoyment. Pro means you make your livelihood off of the machine. Prosumer is muddled area where a high mix of people from the previous two category buy (i.e., it is hard to tell who is who since the percentages are close).

There a Mac minis deployed as departmental servers. That is not a consumer function. Likewise there are Mac Pro which are used to just play game (because the owner has enough disposable income to throw at the box it doesn't matter).




Market 3 - Professional
This is where cost does not matter. Performance is all the customer wants.

Cost always matters. These decisions go into never-neverland . Some people have bigger budgets than others, but even folks buying $1.5M computers have a budget cap.

If the "pro" machine is earns revenue then the buyer is less cost sensitive. [ If Mac Pro makes $1,000/yr and will keep it for 3 years then a $3,000 cost isn't a major issue. ]


Dropping Mac Pro: This would officially mark Apple's departure from professionals, servers and corporations, having dropped the Xserve which preceded it.

If significantly fewer "Pros" are buying Mac Pros over the last couple of years... then who dropped whom ?

Part of the drop is professions ( use Macs to make money) moving to more affordable Mac. For those "pros" whose software workload has stayed relatively constant the current mini/iMacs outclass the Tower-with-slots they may have been using 6-8 years ago. That market did not change (the problem) the machine/form-factor that fits the market changed. The "shape" of the boxes is not the key characterics of the market. The work is.

The Mac Pro has two large problems:

1. There are many markets whose problems/workload really aren't growing harder over time at rates faster than the hardware is improving. Over time "good enough" performance is available on boxes at the lower end of the line up.

2. Much of the legacy software out there can't take full advantage of the Mac Pro hardware. So even where the latent ability to put distance between the Mac Pro and the iMac & mini exists the software pisses it away. The OS as much as the many of the individual 3rd party packages are all contributors to this.







These professionals (more often companies) are the ones who buy in bulk. For example, an animation studio such as Pixar, which obviously needs the superior horsepower of the Mac Pro, might buy them in bulk.

Pixar has a render farm of linux boxes for high computational jobs.




Not to mention the extreme power enthusiasts who always strive for better performance.

Those "poser" market is another latent problem that the Mac Pro has. Frankly, the people who need the performance is smaller than the "well I might use it someday and in the mean time I'm a player because I have the big box on my desk." market.



If this drop occurs, then about 90% of the professional market will disappear from Apple's earnings.

And if the pro market comprises 0.5% of Apple revenues this will have exactly zero impact on stock price and operations.



That's quite a sizable chunk, because of the sheer price of these machines.

Sizable chunk to whom. Folks very often confuse who bank accounts are being measured. A $300K purchase order may be a big deal to your company. Apple makes $100's of thousands a day on interest on their cash hoard.... selling nothing... So posturing like you are a prime time player and Apple better lick your boots ... please....




. The reason why Xserve was dropped was lack of profits,

False. The XServe got dropped because not enough people were buying it. To quote Steve Jobs " Nobody was buying them". (not literally true but rounded to the significant digits on the high level overview sales charts that was probably true.)

Apple is about growth in sales. Not riding the death spiral down to the last 100 units sold. The Mac Pro doesn't have to match the iPad in volume. Nor does it have to match the iMac or mini in volume. However, it does have to be within striking distance of the other Mac models in growth.

All this talk about Apple has to sell the Mac Pro even if the year over year unit sales are tanking is delusional. It is not about profit per unit. It is about selling great products. Great products don't have multiple years of declining sales.


and for the MacBook, an inefficient overlap in market with the cheaper MacBook Air.

Buzz. The MacBook died in part becauce it could enter the reserved iPad price zone. Once the MacBook collided with the $999 barrier it had no where to go. As the MBP 13" moved close to the $999 barrier it was squeezed between a rock and hard place.

The MBA isn't cheaper (at the same $999 price point) and sales volume was worst amoung the Macs (Mac Pro's were commonly rated higher in the oneline Mac store "best sellers" list) than the MBA. It probably still would be last place if not for the $999 model to boost the volume. (because price does matter. )
 
Wish more software would take advantage of all the opphh the MacPro can muster!
I'd be curious if the decided to do what others have said.

1 use thunderbolt and have room for 2-3 HDs only
2 one or two pcie only,if at all
3 desk top CPUs instead of xeons
4 video on board, unless you use one of the above pice slots
Could minimize the size doing this.

Let's hope there is some other option as I love my MP 2008
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iMacs were refreshed, Mac Pro refresh processors were delayed. Hence the lack of sales and performance.

Do you know how annoying it is to have a TN screen sandwiched between two IPS displays?

Newsflash. iMac is IPS.

But looking at all your past posts, I see you intentionally make false statements. What is the word for that?? ;)

:apple:
 
If Apple is indeed questioning the future of the Mac Pro, I blame all of the customers who ultimately decided that a mid-line notebook is enough for their processing needs and purchased a MacBook Pro when they really should have purchased a desktop like an iMac or a Mac Pro.

It's the demand, or lack thereof, that points the direction that a product takes. I cringe at the thought of what I will have to settle with in a few years when I need to upgrade my iMac. And since my current iMac is capable of target display mode, I would love to just get a Mac Pro tower and use the iMac as a display in the future.
 
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