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Apple 'Questioning' the Future of its Mac Pro Line?
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I don't think the majority of us would argue that EVERY graphics designer NEEDS a mac pro. Just that for a lot of "Pro" users, the iMac is insufficient, so the Mac Pro should definitely be kept in apple's product line!
While not terribly enjoyable you can use an external hard drive on the iMac and boot off of it. It helps to have a spare around for diagnostic purposes anyways. FireWire 400 was fast enough back in my day. 800 is standard now and Thunderbolt if anyone on Earth has one of those is faster.
A dead logic board is a dead logic board.
My graphics card like span is somewhere around 16-30 months. My CPU life span can easily hit 36 months or more.
Why not just add a 2nd 2560x1440 display to it?
What's the problem of having a higher resolution than "the industry standard"?
Or just add two "industry standard" monitors to an iMac.
Whether you just its internal display or not - an iMac will in many case offer the same performance at a lesser price.
So you're calling me an "iTard" while stating professionals buy their displays by their looks?
I'll try to keep that in mind the next time I will be looking at NEC, EIZO, Quato displays (please don't tell me these are purchased because of their looks)
1. What industry standard - don't talk bollocks. We use 2 x 2560x1600's and every single industry is different.
2. Rude ****.
"I need this, so others need it too."
Sorry but that doesn't come of as "some others".
When you say just "power users", that doesn't come of as some power users.
I don't forget to add the adjectives. You do.
And among those 500 posts in this thread are many who are siding with me as well. Not that any of the posts in this thread matter.
Well so far, the MAJORITY of people stating they should drop the Pro don't use one in a professional environment.
The MAJORITY of people stating they should keep the Pro are ones that DO use it in a professional environment.
Please note the, MAJORITY, word. So if it was dropped I do get the feeling that Apple would have a backlash from the market.
The MAJORITY of people stating they should keep the Pro are ones that DO use it in a professional environment.
Please note the, MAJORITY, word. So if it was dropped I do get the feeling that Apple would have a backlash from the market.
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Indeed.
There is a market for people who demand power and expandability, things that the iMac doesn't deliver. Apple killing the MacPro without offering a solution for these needs would be a mistake since these folks are the ones creating content for the iToys.
I agree that the majority of people wouldn't argue that all graphic designer needs a mac pro. But when I see such furious claims in this thread, I respond.
But it's again the adjectives. When you say a lot of the pro users, that still covers a small part of all pro users. So a lot does not mean majority.
I don't see many people saying that Apple "should" drop them.
But I see many arguing that (and why) they will.
Of course.
But that market is a small MINORITY in and by itself (compared to the overall Mac market, let alone Apple's entire product porfolio).
Well this sucks.
I've been waiting over 6 months for a new Mac Pro and now it is being discontinued?
What about the people who want to switch out hard drives, graphics cards etc?
I own an iMac right now, but it is very limiting, I've wanted to put an SSD in it for a while now but it is too much of a hassle.
Please keep the Mac Pro.
Otherwise I will have to look elsewhere for a desktop.
I've been waiting over 6 months for a new Mac Pro and now it is being discontinued?
What about the people who want to switch out hard drives, graphics cards etc?
I own an iMac right now, but it is very limiting, I've wanted to put an SSD in it for a while now but it is too much of a hassle.
Please keep the Mac Pro.
Otherwise I will have to look elsewhere for a desktop.
Again, wrong. These folks are "some" of the ones creating content for the iToys. You can create content for the iToys using a MacBook Air. Depends on the content.
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I have always used a Mac Pro/Powermac for the last 10 years. But my next computer will be a iMac.
Just doesn't make any sense to get Mac Pro when the iMacs are so much cheaper and blow away lasts years Mac Pro. Thunderbolt is already making big waves in the audio/video post world.
I have always used a Mac Pro/Powermac for the last 10 years. But my next computer will be a iMac.
Just doesn't make any sense to get Mac Pro when the iMacs are so much cheaper and blow away lasts years Mac Pro. Thunderbolt is already making big waves in the audio/video post world.
If they were to license Mac OS for back-end / server use, the intelligent thing would be to have the hardware provider who acquires the license handle the tech support for both the hardware and software.
So ... its just come down to what exactly IS a pro user, and what constitutes pro work. You could say that if I used a computer to make money for my business, I am a professional user. I think that is clearly not what we mean here.
I think many "real" pro users contentions are that far too many people would like to think of themselves as "pro" users. I don't think using photoshop or CS5, for example, necessarily makes you a "pro" user.
I think for the majority (yes, majority!) of what I (emphasis) would consider "pro" users NEED the power and expandability of a Mac Pro, or at least could use it very well!
As usual, the anger from a rumor makes me laugh. People really need to relax and if the rumor turns out to be true then get upset if you need to. So seldom do I see a "mea culpa" when these things do not turn out to be true. I suggest people start doing that. It will make the post more interesting.
Why waste all the energy? Why all the hate? Go get a girlfriend.
Why waste all the energy? Why all the hate? Go get a girlfriend.
You still confused, in any moment I said ALL, I always said LOTS, that don't necessarily means the majority but a good chunk of people who actually demand power and expandability, something that you should understand since you have a MacPro looking at you signature.
I consider a 'PRO' user as anyone who uses a Pro machine for their job, to make money, put food on the table, as a tool for their job, can't get much more Pro then that?
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Anybody remember when Apple came out with the Blue and White G3? Video editors all said they would drop Mac because of its lack of pci cards and switch to PC.
What happened? Final Cut Pro came out and dominated with prosumers and independent producers and even made big inroads with Hollywood.
Let's not count apple out of the creative pro market yet. Although they should have a media event like the Back to Myac event that concentrates on creative pros.
Anybody remember when Apple came out with the Blue and White G3? Video editors all said they would drop Mac because of its lack of pci cards and switch to PC.
What happened? Final Cut Pro came out and dominated with prosumers and independent producers and even made big inroads with Hollywood.
Let's not count apple out of the creative pro market yet. Although they should have a media event like the Back to Myac event that concentrates on creative pros.
You still confused, in any moment I said ALL, I always said LOTS, that don't necessarily means the majority but a good chunk of people who actually demand power and expandability, something that you should understand since you have a MacPro looking at you signature.
I'm not confused. I quoted you, where you said "These folks are the ones who create content for the iToys".
That sentence by all english speaking people will be understood as, Mac Pro users are the ones who create content for the iToys.
If you want it to mean "These folks are some of the people who create content for the iToys", then you have to add that adjective.
Who exactly "needs" a Mac Pro to create iToy content?
- Music/audio/sound producers apparently don't, as evidenced by people like SVegard stating he will abandon Logic/Apple and move to a PC solution.
- Photo, graphics and publishing professionals apparently don't as evidenced by Adobe's applications running on a PC and the marketshare they have.
- Neither do video professionals as evidenced by the backlash of Final Cut Pro users stating they're abandoning Apple.
- Games' content has long been created on PCs as well.
Even if you are in the business of developing iOS apps/games, you can do the necessary steps in XCode just as well on an iMac.
And chances are you will, even if Apple dropped the Mac Pro (the iOS content market is just to big)
I understand the motive for dropping the Mac Pro, and there will be a time for that, but I think it's a bit early. I personally know a few people with MPs and I know that it'd be a big loss for Apple's image in the eyes of professionals. So please, not yet Apple! Give it two-three years when iMacs can pack in a octo-core, 64 GB of RAM, at least 2 GB of VRAM, and come SSD standard with lots of fiberoptic TB ports. Then sure, go for it.