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Sad to see this getting voted down. It's one of the most insightful things I've seen posted here in a long time.

I champion seeing things as they are. I'm a big fan of Reality. And Reality is closing the doors on the Mac Pro and workstations in general. A few of us were harping on this years ago. It's happening.

Tech is changing. Even specialized, niche markets. There is no niche market that is today immune from the sea-changes that take place in the wider consumer markets. It all filters and branches outward to niche segments.

And those niche segments are also changing, and are being integrated with the wider consumer segments. The average person a few years ago would be hard-pressed to do any advanced level of photo-editing, especially without purchasing ridiculously expensive software and having to put up with serious learning curves.

Now, in the span of only a few years, look at the kind of power that has been put into Joe Average's hands. It's incredible. You can even do, with some iOS apps (of all things!), things that were a few years ago only possible with much more complex and expensive software.

The line between "Pro" and "Consumer" has been blurred to an unprecedented degree. Hence, today we have what is known as the "Prosumer." And these Prosumers are growing in number and strength every day. One of the companies serving them is Apple.

The Pro market is dwindling. The Prosumer market is expanding rapidly. The skills that at one point were hard-earned and rare (Pro skills) are being steadily, slowly but surely, acquired by even average users with a little time and curiosity. As tech becomes much more accessible to Joe Average, those skills that were once prized in the industry will eventually become commonplace. What took a lot of skill yesterday can be easily accomplished and on a larger scale today and with less power, due to increased exposure and access that Joe Average, and for that matter you and I, are enjoying. It all filters down due to increased access.

The "Pro" market is not the same market that Apple allegedly turned their back on years ago. It has changed. And it is no longer a market that can sustain anyone exclusively. At all. Especially with the Rise of the Prosumer. The traditional "Pro" market is slowly dying, but also changing. It is becoming integrated with the consumer market, and Prosumers are making it happen.

In time there will be no specialized, niche markets at all in consumer tech, and that includes the "Pro" segment. We will all have access to them, with better tools that will be far easier to use.
 
Someone needs to pump the old Steve Jobs with saline and a 2nd person to throw their voice " We keep the Mac Pro, gllgh Brains Brains!" (oops too much Walking Dead) and put an end to this silliness!
 
This doesn't make sense. The Mac Pro is the flagship of the Apple computer line-up. A brand like Apple should be willing to operate their flagship without being profitable. Apple certainly won't be losing money as long as they make drastic changes like a redesign.

It can certainly afford it. But as we all know, these day's Apple is VERY concerned and interested in it's bottom line, above it's product line? Possibly, they certainly have enough to sue everyone. If they do drop the Pro for profitability reasons then yes I would say it would be profit first before what your customers want, well your professional ones anyway.
 
Besides being expensive, it's a great machine. Mine is still running great for the past 6 years. Myself, I don't like all in one machines with built in monitors like the iMac. I just wish Apple would built a cheaper alternative.
 
Return of the Mac Cube? A perfect unibody aluminum cube with server class CPU,SSD, perhaps a slot load dvdrw and integrated video. Everything else will be a thunderbolt peripheral. Steve Jobs' last request to Jony Ive.
 
Back in the day the main benefits to the MacPro were the expansion slots, dual processor, extra hard drives, and dual processors.

Now days with iMacs coming with quad cores, 16 GB of ram, and terrabytes of hard drive space, and thunderbolts ability to add external storage, and an expansion slot chassis; I think this is an obvious move. Add a duel processor option to the iMac and there you go. The only people this will hurt is the people that use Mac OSX Server as the MacPro and MacMini is the only server hardware they currently offer.

Except if your screen goes, your whole computer goes.
 
Im running a Quad G5 at home and its fine, though I wanted to upgrade so I could run Lion. And the fact that I already have a monitor and use it for my X360 and the mac.
Hopefully the rumor isnt true.
New form factor would be great.
M
 
"He's dead Jim"

Move on people. The faster you accept the idea that this is where things are going, the faster you can figure out what alternative strategies you need to do to continue to get the hardware/software you need to meet your customers needs. In the end, they don't care what you use or how you do it, only that its done, on time and on budget.
 
According to these people, the consensus among sales executives for the Cupertino-based company was that the Mac Pro's days -- at least in its current form -- were inevitably numbered.

Bolded for emphasis.

They'd do much better if they could drive down the costs of the single processor configurations.
 
Just add user access to the hardware in the iMac, make it half an inch thicker (no one will notice) and make most hardware exchangeable. That should be easy enough. :D
 
It can certainly afford it. But as we all know, these day's Apple is VERY concerned and interested in it's bottom line, above it's product line? Possibly, they certainly have enough to sue everyone. If they do drop the Pro for profitability reasons then yes I would say it would be profit first before what your customers want, well your professional ones anyway.

I don't know of any successful company that makes products just for jollies. Of course Apple is interested in its bottom line. That's the M.O. of every for-profit company and it has a fiduciary duty to its shareholder to do so. And any competent company is going to constantly evaluate every product it makes for sales volume, profit margins, and needs of its ever changing customer base. That's business.
 
Actually it does, if there are enough TB accessories, such as external GPU's, or RAM boxes. Don't forget that TB is a PCI-e expansion.

I was referring primarily to the Intel Xeon, especially dual processor configurations.
 
Return of the Mac Cube? A perfect unibody aluminum cube with server class CPU,SSD, perhaps a slot load dvdrw and integrated video. Everything else will be a thunderbolt peripheral. Steve Jobs' last request to Jony Ive.

Or, you could keep all resources in one box, avoid all messy cables and keep it self contained. There is such a product all ready.
 
100Mbit is 8GB/s - so perhaps suitable for low-midrange graphics cards by the time it comes out. Useful for add in cards too for video and audio editors. It doesn't solve the processing time issue in relation CPU and memory.

It's two channel 100mbit's though. The first thunderbolt demo was done using Ram slots a mile away from the computer.
 
This one of those pure speculation rumors that has 'just' enough believability to make it sound feasible.

I hope they don't get rid of a desktop workstation model, but with processor lines getting blurred, especially with the like of a high end iMac on par or out performing the macpro line, it's feasible. But that doesn't necessarily make it likely....

I love my 2008 MacPro 2.8, but I had considered that if I ever replaced it - I'd probably buy a top of the line iMac instead.


Also as evident from it 'professional applications' Apple is seemingly moving towards making them more accessible / cheaper / mainstream and realizes that the real $$$ lay's in the mass market, not necessarily the 'exclusive' professional market.
 
Sad to see this getting voted down. It's one of the most insightful things I've seen posted here in a long time.

Sorry, while I agree mostly with the content : "the rise of the prosumer", I don't agree with the message.

What you fail to see is that with the rise of this prosumer, the real pro (and I like to consider myself one too) has evolved too and is doing things today with his/her Mac that a prosumer can only dream of.

I'm in architecture, and to make things concrete : many people are using Sketch-up and the like today to make simple designs and reasonably good renderings, but I have to meet the first prosumer that can actually put out Cinema 4D renders based upon real functional and build able designs, the way we (try to) do it.
 
I don't see those as problems.
3) The concept of a workstation may be old but so is the car. As long as the concept fits a need when the concept was imagined is irrelevant. Certain business rely on them. I'd agree that the concept of the computer for non-hobbyist consumer use is waining and could be outmoded by the end of the decade but that isn't the product we are talknig about here.

I think Retrofire had a point to this here.

The "end" of the Mac Pro was inevitable. It may be time, in Apple's eyes, to upgrade the design just as they did with the Power Mac G4 and G5. The G4 was loosely based on the G3 tower design and they went in a whole new direction with the G5.

Now the MP was based on the G5 design, which also matched up with the current designs (at the time) of the existing lines. The MBPs, MBs, iMacs, Mac Minis and Apple Displays have all seen major design upgrades and the MP is still using that "old" one.

This may be just Apple deciding to bring more consistency to their brand. Come up with a new design that incorporates uni-body components and some of that black trimming that's been added into iOS devices, the iMac, and the laptop lines.

Personally, I'd like to see what a unified product line would look like with a new Mac Pro design.
 
Besides being expensive, it's a great machine. Mine is still running great for the past 6 years. Myself, I don't like all in one machines with built in monitors like the iMac. I just wish Apple would built a cheaper alternative.

There is a limit to how much and to what lengths Apple should go to serve a niche segment of the market that is slowly dying (and gradually being displaced by a different, growing segment - Prosumers.)

You're not the only one that feels this pain, but economics, market realities, and the rising demand for leaner, faster, smaller and more efficient devices will be the deciding factor.

The dwindling "Pro" market is no longer able to sustain that side of Apple's business. Is the "Pro" niche big enough to warrant continued servicing? Questions like these aren't surprising, and they are not just limited to Apple. They reflect industry-wide questions. At some point Apple will need to make a decision. The big-box workstations are, almost by default, on the way out anyway. It's a slow process, but they will be replaced.
 
I just spent a couple of minutes configuring machines similar to the Mac Pro at Dell, Lenovo, HP and IBM. They have more options, a lot more, but when you configured system that's exactly the same, or at close as you can, they are substantially more expensive, is some cases thousands of dollars more.
There really should be market here for Apple.
 
Except if your screen goes, your whole computer goes.
So you get it repaired or sell the machine for parts. I don't see how that is much different then a bad power supply, bad ram, bad hard drive in the existing iMac. Repairs (at least not through Apple) are not that expensive.
 
Thats what I said and everyone said I'm crazy....


Point is with external Thunderbolt RAID array filled with SSD drives, and as long as they make some sort of computer that can take 64 gig of RAM....

your set.

best,
SvK
 
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