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I'm in architecture, and to make things concrete : many people are using Sketch-up and the like today to make simple designs and reasonably good renderings, but I have to meet the first prosumer that can actually put out Cinema 4D renders based upon real functional and build able designs, the way we (try to) do it.

I hate to break it to you, but that kind of stuff can be done on any $1000 computer with a halfway decent graphics card.

It's certainly not debatable that consumer CPU+GPUs have nearly entirely killed of all the "pro" competition (Alpha, MIPS, SGI etc), and your $500 computer is powerful enough today to put every 5 year old workstation to shame in terms of performance. Yes, there will always be things you can't do on consumer-grade hardware, but I assure you there'll always be companies offering you the appropriate hardware. You might have to switch your OS though. Your prefered software will most likely still run on it.

The bottom line is: Apple's big mantra is to keep their product line simple, and if the pro market gets too small they'll get out of it.
 
Mac Pro gone the way of the FCP

This sounds all too familiar coming off the horrible release of FCP X. It's seems to be a trend toward not supporting the professional user at all. If that's the case then I would highly suggest Apple re-think it. I'm an Apple user through and through BECAUSE it's what I use at the office.
 
I'll bet this is just a model revamp... they will make something smaller, thinner, more powerful and elegant. It will fit on server racks and fill the prosumer desire.
 
So all of you are Mac Pro users? If not, why is everyone so upset? The Mac Pro market is an extremely niche one. It would not surprise me if they were discontinued.
 
How can it be a flagship if it never appears anywhere in the commercials, in the newspapers or on the popular blogs?

Apple's flagship is the iPhone, and in terms of computers the Macbook Pro.

I disagree, lots of companies focus advertising only on what moves the most units, not what is "flagship" engineering wise. One example is BMW and Mercedes Benz, you'll see lots of ads for their C Class and 3 Series, but not so much for the SL-65 AMG or 760Li. People that buy those don't need to be convinced by an ad, they already know what they want.

Apple's flagship is the Mac Pro, and has been since the days of the beige Power Mac. Why? Because it uses the best components that they offer. No other product uses industrial grade (server) components throughout and desktop class GPUs. MacBook Pros represent their flagship notebooks, but not flagship Macs.
 
There are always three markets, consumers, prosumers and pros. The pros know what they need and the MP has its place for them and should exist even if profit neutral. The problem with the iMac is not so much power but the monitor, glossy and limited color gamut. Some Pros just can't use a monitor like that and instead need a pro monitor like a NEC. I had a 27" iMac and it did not work out. I think if Apple offered a MP that started at more reasonable price and included more than 3GB of ram and started with a lower end CPU that they would see higher profits due to more sales.

Bottom line is for some people the MP has a place and those users likely also own a laptop.

If Apple truly plans to remove this product line they should announce it. Since they seem to already have a new design then they should just run with it for a few years
 
Sure hope this rumour turns out to be wrong. I understand the iMac or even a MacBook Pro fits the needs of more customers that would have got a PowerMac G4, G5 or Mac Pro in the past.

The iMac does now offer enough processing power for many with multi-core CPUs and hyper threading. Even RAM capacity is less of an issue that it used to be since Apple changed to four slots. There are of course exceptions for compute intensive users with large databases or renders where every bit of CPU power and bandwidth counts. These users also benefit from ECC RAM.

The biggest problem with todays iMac for many less intensive users like myself is graphics and storage. Graphics cards generally get out dated faster if you do anything with 3D or games - especially if with the 27" iMac you are driving a 2560 x 1440 pixel display. That is a big ask at 30+ fps. The high end graphics cards necessary are all physically large and have been getting bigger over the last decade and just won't fit in an iMac.

Hard disks have gotten larger and there is now the option of an SSD for boot but I already have 9TB of storage in my Mac Pro and experience shows that storage needs grow and grow. Sure there will be Thunderbolt options but when will they be cheap enough? FW800 today is just too slow when you are dealing with moving TB of data even internal SATA/eSATA is really but it is the best option today if you have a limited budget.
 
Here's the rundown of the business strategy Apple is using.
The overall goal is quite simple: Reach as many markets as you can and sell good products to those markets.

Market 1 - Consumer / Entry
This is the biggest market of the 3 main markets that exist today. The demands of this market are somewhat demanding: cheap, good looking computer that can handle daily activities. Apple has tapped this market with a variety of Macs. Most are overpriced by Windows PC standards, but considering Apple's quality and warranty the price has been proven to be worth it. This is the market with the most products. Mac Mini, MacBook Air (both 11" and 13"), MacBook Pro 13" and low-end iMacs. Not too underpowered, but still weak for heavy duty work.
The Mac Mini is the entry-level desktop Mac. Designed to suit converters, it allows for the freedom of choosing your own peripherals such as keyboard, monitor and mouse. Although this is the cheapest Mac, it is arguably far from the weakest.
The MacBook Air incorporates a weak CPU and lack of a dedicated GPU in conjunction with a fast SSD to create the illusion that the machine itself is very powerful. This illusion of speed is most associated with power in the consumer market. Also, with its long battery life and portability, the MacBook Air is perfect for any average user.
The MacBook Pro 13" is Apple's consumer-level power laptop. It has the most horsepower of the consumer Mac laptops listed here. It is also upgradeable; this is a major selling point for many people. Also includes an ODD for the consumer market, because many people still use services like Redbox.
The low-end iMac is the weaker, less customizable iMac. It has the guts of most average desktops available today, but has the monitor packaged in to create a hassle-free environment that consumers love.

Market 2 - Prosumer
The new and developing market of prosumers have the most demanding needs, even more than the professional market. They want great performance and looks in a not-too-expensive package. The 13" MacBook Air, 13" and 15" MacBook Pro, High-end iMac and the Mac Mini Server satisfy this category.
The MacBook Air, as previously mentioned, is more portability-minded than performance. However, power users who prefer cheap SSDs, higher resolution screen, and the wow factor of the 13" MacBook Air are very much attracted to this laptop.
The 13" MacBook Pro is more upgradeability-minded. Prosumers looking to improve their laptops using 3rd party components but don't want to spend too much money are satisfied by this option.
The 15" MacBook Pro hits the sweet spot for prosumers. Not too big, but extremely powerful. Almost everything can be upgraded and set to match their exact wants and needs through the BTO option and 3rd party components. The laptop just screams quality and indeed is worthy of the moniker "Pro."
The high-end iMacs offer a spec bump from an i5 quad-core to an i7 for the 21" and the much revered i7-2600 as a BTO option for the 27". Packaged with the ability to use up to 16GB of RAM, this satisfies the performance needs of a prosumer seeking a desktop Mac.
The Mac Mini Server offers dual hard drives and a quad-core laptop processor. Which means while the Mac is diminutively small, the Mac Mini can offer an even more versatile setup than an iMac. The 2 hard drives can be set up in RAID arrays, the quad-core can be used for heavy computing, and the computer can be used as a low-footprint server that it was intended to be used as.

Market 3 - Professional
This is where cost does not matter. Performance is all the customer wants. Looks are only a bonus; functionality is what matters. Form factors can be ignored for the sheer power that these computers offer.
The Macs that satisfy this category are the 15" and 17" MacBook Pro, Mac Pro (all versions), and the high-end iMac 27".
The 15" and 17" MacBook Pros both offer the GPU that the 13" lacks. Both are amazingly powerful, and the 17" even offers an ExpressCard/34 slot for the professionals who might need it. Professionals also hate change; they love legacy things (see Final Cut Pro X). All of the ports and inputs that you might call legacy (Ethernet and ODD being prime examples) are there because a professional user might need them someday. The looks of the laptop are a great bonus to go along.
The iMac 27" High-end satisfies professionals that might not be able to pony up for a full-on Mac Pro while offering a great deal of horsepower.
Then the 800 pound gorilla in the room: Mac Pro. Dual CPU, liquid cooling. 'Nuff said.

See how diverse Apple's reach is? This is what lets Apple generate so much revenue. Here's some examples of effects getting rid of or merging product lines will do:

Merging MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, possibly into a single MacBook line will necessitate the dropping of a GPU and the powerful CPU that prosumers and professionals really dig about the 15" and 17". That's 2 entire markets gone. While this merge may greatly satisfy consumers, the losses would simply be too great for this shift to be logical.

Dropping Mac Pro: This would officially mark Apple's departure from professionals, servers and corporations, having dropped the Xserve which preceded it. There's many, MANY professionals who really need the horsepower of the Mac Pro. These professionals (more often companies) are the ones who buy in bulk. For example, an animation studio such as Pixar, which obviously needs the superior horsepower of the Mac Pro, might buy them in bulk. Not to mention the extreme power enthusiasts who always strive for better performance. If this drop occurs, then about 90% of the professional market will disappear from Apple's earnings. That's quite a sizable chunk, because of the sheer price of these machines.

Apple will not move in that direction. At least not now. All of the products have separate, non-overlapping and profitable markets. The reason why Xserve was dropped was lack of profits, and for the MacBook, an inefficient overlap in market with the cheaper MacBook Air.

Please, MacRumors, don't create useless speculation that a product will be dropped.
 
I disagree, lots of companies focus advertising only on what moves the most units, not what is "flagship" engineering wise. One example is BMW and Mercedes Benz, you'll see lots of ads for their C Class and 3 Series, but not so much for the SL-65 AMG or 760Li. People that buy those don't need to be convinced by an ad, they already know what they want.

Apple's flagship is the Mac Pro, and has been since the days of the beige Power Mac. Why? Because it uses the best components that they offer. No other product uses industrial grade (server) components throughout and desktop class GPUs. MacBook Pros represent their flagship notebooks, but not flagship Macs.

By that definition, Apple's 17' Macbook Pros are their flagship laptops, and the iPod Classic is their flagship MP3 player. Both are the least important in their product lines, and if both disappeared tomorrow Apple would be just fine.
 
If they do this I see Apple introducing essentially an iMac Pro and or a Mac Mini Pro.

I could easily see Apple introducing a 30"+ iMac that has 6 memory slots, two processors, and dual thunderbolt ports. With thunderbolt it could fill most of the needs of a Mac Pro.

8+ core chips are on their way. It won't be long before you could get an 8-core mini, or a 16-core (dual 8) iMac Pro.

Thunderbolt is a game changer for these applications.

We're not even at mainstream 6-core processors yet.

I'd like to see a configurable mainstream Mac. It's about time they did that again, especially with Intel in the mix. Allow overclocking via K processors, even if only in Windows mode, and you wouldn't even need a separate gaming PC.
 
If you don't update a pro-level model, the people who actually need the heavy performance, in over a year AND keep the price exactly the same, it is no wonder why no one wants to buy it.
 
If the Pro (or rather, workstation) market is unprofitable (especially if it's shrinking), there is no reason to be in it. That goes for any market.
 
Apple just needs to make a bigger version of the Mac mini server. More and better accessible RAM slots, at least two 3.5" drive bays, and up the CPU to the 3.4GHz quad core i7 that's in the top iMac.
 
This nice chart is probably supposed to show that desktop sales are dropping. They are not. Overall sales have dramatically improved; the smaller percentage of desktops that Apple sells today is still more than they sold in previous years.

It's about profitability. Maintaining unprofitable product lines long-term is simply antithetical to business. Shareholders, Apple's board, and investors will be wondering what the hell is wrong.

It's one thing blindly defending Apple's actions. But blindly defending what some stupid rumor says Apple is supposed to be doing, that is just stupid.

Apple makes a tidy profit with the MacPro's. Not as much as with other machines, but it is profit. They are not going to leave that money on the table. And products like the Mac Pro are important beyond their immediate profits. Having a complete range of computers is important as well. Like HP just figured out, even when their PC business isn't the most profitable, it is important to be able to have a complete range of services.


By that definition, Apple's 17' Macbook Pros are their flagship laptops, and the iPod Classic is their flagship MP3 player. Both are the least important in their product lines, and if both disappeared tomorrow Apple would be just fine.

Sales psychology: Many people look at what is the most expensive product, and then they convince themselves that they get a bargain by going one level down. Today, these people buy a 15" MBP instead of 17". If the 17" wasn't there, they would buy 13" instead of 15". Or they might decide that they don't want to buy the most expensive laptop, and 13" is too small, and buy nothing.
 
this horrendous if true.....I could of bought a new computer months ago if true and I would of waited for nothing.
 
Dropping Mac Pro: This would officially mark Apple's departure from professionals, servers and corporations, having dropped the Xserve which preceded it. There's many, MANY professionals who really need the horsepower of the Mac Pro. These professionals (more often companies) are the ones who buy in bulk. For example, an animation studio such as Pixar, which obviously needs the superior horsepower of the Mac Pro, might buy them in bulk. Not to mention the extreme power enthusiasts who always strive for better performance. If this drop occurs, then about 90% of the professional market will disappear from Apple's earnings. That's quite a sizable chunk, because of the sheer price of these machines.

Pixar? Pixar's in house software doesn't run on OS X. Pixar doesn't use any Macs in their pipeline.

When you say "many", you need to realize you are talking about thousands of buyers, maybe not even tens of thousands anymore. It's way too small a market today.
 
While I would never buy another desktop, if Apple wants to be taken seriously in the professional computing world, they need to keep making the Mac Pro. If not, they will move into pure consumer iToys crap and someone will need to fill the void for high end pro computing that Apple will no longer be part of. Apple needs to look at the big picture here and not just how much money the product does or does not make. Just my $.02
 
Prodo, just a problem with your post.

Pixar have never used a MacPro for anything. I doubt they even had one to make the tea. Anything that Steve was involved in on a professional level appeared to use anything but Mac.

Just like they never used the Xserve for their servers.

They had so much faith in their own products they wouldn't use them.

If they do discontinue the Pro Towers, then i'll switch to Windows. For the first time in 12 years or so.
 
We have been at mainstream 6-core processors for a long time. Now we are at 8.

Most people aren't going to consider your darling AMD when their 8-core processors can't out perform Intel's quad-cores with hyper-threading.
 
You've got to be ******** me...

Like Apple is going to can its workhorse desktop and say good bye to the video/photography crowd who tend to be the most "creative" yet need massive amounts of processing power as we deal with more and more megapixels and raw files...

give me a break.
 
Mini Mac Pro?

How about a Mac Pro half the size with one expansion slot, two hard drive bays and absolutely LOADED in terms of other specs--well this would be satisfactory. Anyone love those little hard drives that look like mini Mac Pro Towers? An iMac turned into a Mac Pro will melt like the the Wicked Witch of the West doused with water.
 
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