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Erm... the new keyboard is only the default on iMacs. The keyboard with OMGZORZ NUMERIC KEYPAD!!1!1 :rolleyes: is still the default on Mac Pros.

And, actually, when I use Logic, it's usually with my left hand on the main keyboard and my right on the mouse.

Yeah, my left hand is on the keyboard and my right hand on the mouse as well. But my record, play and other buttons are on the numeric keypad.

Just saying if I bought an iMac to use Logic on and it came with one of these I'd be pissed.
 
I don't know if anyones mentioned this, but Apple's 'logic' behind the smaller BT version was for the reason that it could be better used while on someone's lap. That's assuming that a majority of people with BT devices use them in their lap while leaning back in their chair (it's weird using it while sitting upright), which is completely RETARDED as the mouse still needs to be used on the desk (unless you have a gyro-mouse, or use it on your thigh which is "super productive", and Apple doesn't make those so they don't exist to them--thighs or gyro-mice) negating the entire lap-keyboard concept as one would need to keep moving back and forth to use both.

Furthermore, who is most likely to purchase a wireless mouse/keyboard? What does Apple sell the most of? That's right, notebooks. Why the hell would someone want to have something that is inherently wireless and be forced to add (through Apple) a wireless device to have something as simple as a number-pad? Why get Apple's wireless keyboard at all if you have one of their notebooks to only get the exact same keyboard your MacBook already has?

Also, if you're like me, which you're not cause I'm completely out of my mind and horribly cynical, you would have noticed that Apple's wired keyboard has something like a two/three foot long cable, which is fine for the desktops if they sit right next to you, and if you don't have the little desk-keyboard-drawer-pullout-thingy (that's the scientific term for it).

So here's the point, what the **** are they thinking with a tiny version of a keyboard, which doesn't have a cable long enough to reach someone's lap in the first place (No I haven't seen the length of the cable, but I would bet my life on it being the same)? What could possibly be their reason for this? To save people from themselves and from clutter by freeing up an extra 5 inches on their desk? Edit: Also, have you noticed that Apple's USB extension cable only works with Apple made USB devices? Yes, it has a notch built into the female end, of which all of Apple's USB male ends have a corresponding grove built into them. How pathetic is that?

Who were the ad wizards that came up with that ultra-****ing-stupid idea? And while I do know it's an opt-out option, the point is why create something like this that has no market or no purpose of being in existence in the first place? Apple is either losing their ****ing mind and completely out of touch with their true user base or is doing their typical, "you didn't realize you wanted it or needed this until we tricked you into getting it", and is slowly and pruposefully niche-ing themselves out of existence.

It starts with the keyboard size, then ends with the MacBook Wheel, an entire lineup of machines with integrated graphics cards with 16 USB ports each, and 2 Ultra-Pin-Micro Display Ports which require three adapters to get to DVI.

Another Edit: I feel like Apple is a microcosm of movie Idiocracy with their new lineups this season, and will soon ship their machines with Mountain Dew logos and start claiming that their computers are what people need cause "it's got gigahertz", or something equally and fantastically ridiculous.

Best post of the day that wasn't made by me :)

I don't get why this thing was released before a full wireless keyboard. I LOVE the previous version of the wireless keyboard that I have, and I don't want to be forced into a wire or a lackluster keyboard when I have to replace it someday. Yes, other companies make keyboards, but I like the Apple ones a lot better.

If you have never used the numeric keypad, you obviously don't enter financial transactions in something like Quicken. I learned how to use the numeric keypad years ago and FLY through numbers on it.

Someone asked if a left-handed numeric keypad would be better for righties. Nope. It's much more natural to use with the right hand and that's how it has been since the thing first appeared on keyboards a few decades ago. A workable solution would've been a modular numeric keypad that slides into either side or can detach.
 
I know how most of you guys feel. I had just purchased a Unibody MBP 15" 2.53GHz. Just a few weeks later, we have these new MBPs with faster(?) processors.

It's a pain to shell out so much money only to discover, a month or 2 later, that had you waited, you could've gotten something a tad bit faster. When I say "tad," I mean TAD. The performance differences between a 2.5 and 2.6 are negligible just as 2.8 and 2.9 are. It's not even close to comparing cars that have 1.5L or 1.6L engines (you'd actually notice the difference here hence the thousands of dollars in difference).

We all have to remember that Apple, by virtue, is still a corporation that needs to generate income. If it sticks to a specific clock speed for too much time, the other players would then have an advantage. Investors wouldn't be pleased. It really is about bottom-lines. It's about making sure that they keep pace with IBM, Asus, Lenovo, etc.

In this thread, we can all see numerous complaints about how their MBPs are no longer "top-of-the-line." That's a fact that we, the consumer, have to deal with. We actually have no choice in the matter. ANYTHING we buy INSTANTLY becomes "old" the moment we purchase it. Industrial designers and processor engineers throw out designs quicker than your toaster can shoot out your PopTarts.

I get the people who are whining. We all just spent about US$3,000 believing that we bought the best and that it would last us years, but had we waited just a bit longer, we would've gotten something better, BUT waiting doesn't solve the problem. If you wait for the next and better model, you'll be waiting forever. Something new will ALWAYS come out. Even as we speak, the soon-to-be fastest processors on Earth are already being engineered and in just 1 blink, they'll be at Apple Stores worldwide.

It's (Marketing + Advertising + Profit) / Moore's Law.

We should all just revel in the fact that despite the speed increases, your 2.53 or 2.8 is STILL a GREAT processor. We all STILL have one of the best designed notebooks out there. And, come on, when you whip out your MBPs on the conference table or some cafe, do you really think the person sitting next to you will know that your MBP is .1MHz slower than his/hers? That's the beauty of Apple products. There is no distinguishing mark on our notebooks to differentiate them (Unlike built-for-Windows notebooks that have NUMEROUS stickers indicating their performance). Your MBP will STILL look like the latest MBP for years to come... =)
 
And, come on, when you whip out your MBPs on the conference table or some cafe, do you really think the person sitting next to you will know that your MBP is .1MHz slower than his/hers?

.13, GOD DAMMIT! :mad:

Kidding. :) I love my "obsolete" 2.53 GHz 15" MacBook Pro that I bought a month ago.
 
I apologize if this is a dumb question. The buyers guide still states that the MBP is in it's mid-cycle does that mean we could still see an upgraded version in two months? I truly need a new laptop, but I really want the Anti-glare screen in the 15" size. Any insights would be welcome. thanks jeff
 
I apologize if this is a dumb question. The buyers guide still states that the MBP is in it's mid-cycle does that mean we could still see an upgraded version in two months? I truly need a new laptop, but I really want the Anti-glare screen in the 15" size. Any insights would be welcome. thanks jeff

An upgrade in 2 months? If you're talking about Processors, maybe not. These are the clock speeds for maybe 6 more months or so.

I'd recommend purchasing now then just get anti-glare film applied to the screen. It might be a while before you see anti-glare on 15" MBPs.
 
I can't really complain about the 133 MHz difference seeing I was upgraded to the unibody against my wishes and at no charge to me.
 
I'm concerned about how they'll handle this in the Apple retail stores, though - do you think they'll stock both iMac models (with two different keyboards) or do you think they'll make you purchase the one without a keypad?

NO, I bought myself a new imac (20") and they said that the wired with numeric keypad can only be configured online. I wanted with the numeric keypad:( BUt no worries, the keypad is really nice!!!! I think i like this one better, it covers less space. :D

And i notice the new iMac has a thinner base that holds the Mac
the iMac has now a total of 6 usb ports!!!!!! they replaced the firwire 400 with a usb!!!:apple:
 
I truly need a new laptop, but I really want the Anti-glare screen in the 15" size. Any insights would be welcome. thanks jeff

I was apprehensive about the glossy screen, myself, but went ahead and got one anyway. I don't mind it at all now and would have no aversion to getting another one down the road. Most of the time, under dim to normal, indoor lighting conditions, I don't notice it at all. That's not even a "you get used to it" — I didn't notice it, from instant one.

The only times it's bothered me was once or twice in a bright restaurant, with my back to the window. I switched seats and actually faced the outside instead. It was a nice day; I should have done it in the first place.

I can sit and work/play on this thing for hours straight and I don't get the headaches that I've seen a very small, very vocal few complain about.

Unless you've actually used one of these and just absolutely hate them, don't worry about it.
 
I was apprehensive about the glossy screen, myself, but went ahead and got one anyway. I don't mind it at all now and would have no aversion to getting another one down the road. Most of the time, under dim to normal, indoor lighting conditions, I don't notice it at all. That's not even a "you get used to it" — I didn't notice it, from instant one.

The only times it's bothered me was once or twice in a bright restaurant, with my back to the window. I switched seats and actually faced the outside instead. It was a nice day; I should have done it in the first place.

I can sit and work/play on this thing for hours straight and I don't get the headaches that I've seen a very small, very vocal few complain about.

Unless you've actually used one of these and just absolutely hate them, don't worry about it.

I agree. I'm on my computer about 15 hours a day watching lectures, studying, etc. and it only becomes a problem in the brightest hours of the day if the whole screen is black or sitting in front of very bright direct light.
 
So much angst about chiclet keyboards. How about a return to real keyboards, like the Matias Tactical Pro?
 
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oban14 said:
I use a compact Bluetooth keyboard at the moment when I'm working on my Mac Pro and prefer it to the full size one for a few reasons:

Firstly, it takes up less space on my desk

Secondly, the keyboard is exactly centred to my monitor when it's in use

Thirdly (and most importantly for me), I like the fact that the keyboard is exactly the same on my desktop and my notebook - it means the keys are in exactly the same place whether I'm using my Mac Pro or my MacBook Air.

I have always disliked numeric keypads for the simple reason I'm left handed and can't use them very well :)

Do you even use your Mac Pro for anything remotely "professional"? Any Maya, Logic or Final Cut user I know wouldn't imagine going through their work without a numeric keypad.

Those little keyboards are fine if all you do is surf the web, or maybe if you're a writer. But that begs the question why you need a Mac Pro in the first place?

I guess it depends on your definition of professional: I'm a professional programmer with my own business so this setup is what puts bread in my table. Thanks for your concern, though ;)
 
.13, GOD DAMMIT! :mad:

Kidding. :) I love my "obsolete" 2.53 GHz 15" MacBook Pro that I bought a month ago.

Im quite angry with Apple i am one of those who bought the 2.53Ghz Uni MBP now its not ever on the website anymore... So i just bought a MBP which doesnt even existed.... I went to Apple because i got sick and tired buying a Normal Notebook which will be superseded this quick... Im so angry
 
People like the new smaller keyboard because it takes up less space on your desk? Am I reading that correctly?

What's next, an even smaller keyboard with no function keys or arrow keys? It's not nearly as useful, but it takes up less space on your desk.

I also find it hard to believe that anyone would complain about a speed bump on any Apple product. MBP people should be overjoyed that they're getting regular improvements.

We on the desktop side of the fence don't even have a true desktop option any more. After waiting 11 months for something to change (several months longer for Mac Pro and mini people) all we got was a ridiculously minor update to a notebook computer with a big screen called the iMac. It finally has the same RAM and HD as $600 PCs and a video chip that isn't quite as obviously 2007 technology.

Don't make the mistake of thinking a GT120 is a modern graphics chip. It's the same 9500 that's been in cheap PCs since last summer, a chip that's nothing more than a seriously crippled version of the 8800GT from 2007.
 
Hah. Is there some large fraction of the Apple user base that had a problem with the numerical keyboard?
The keypad's been annoying to me for years. It gets in the way on any keyboard I've used with one and forces the mouse pad on my sliding keyboard tray all the way to the right where it doesn't really have enough room.
How are you supposed to use Numbers or any other application that requires numerical input with THAT?
Look above the qwertyuiop keys. Woo hoo cute wittle keys wid digits on them.
I can't believe it's the default choice. That means every person who buys the iMac at retail (from places like Amazon, Best Buy or Mac Mall) are going to have to deal with not having a numerical keypad. What's next a keyboard without arrow keys?
People actually use arrow keys, unlike numeric keypads and the @#$@# capslock key that IBM decided in the mid 80's belonged in ctrl's place.
 
No matte, not quad core, no interested.

As for the new keyboard, hmm, may be nice for some, but if you use (as others I think have mentioned) Logic or Pro-Tools, or any serious software it's going to be useless. In fact using a calculator on a mac just became a lot more counter intuitive.

I don't know if anyone saw this, but it could be next

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary

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No matter what happens with the mac, as long as the iPhone farts people will be happy
 
I really wish people would stop the moaning about the glossy screens. Going into an Apple Store and playing with a Mac there is a useless venture to see if the glossiness is an issue at all for you. The lighting there is brighter than anything anyone would have in their daily offices let alone homes. Of course you are going to notice a reflection.

Do you people honestly bitch about the "reflection" on a CRT TV or glass paneled LCD HDTV???? I WISH my HDTV LCD was glass paneled for a deeper glossy look.

I have owned the first gen MacBook WITH GLOSSY SCREEN since the weekend after it hit the stores and have NEVER had issue with any reflections that might have been there. The only issue I have is the vertical viewable range is too narrow for my tastes but oh well! I also do light Photoshop, Illustrator and Flash work on it when I am away from my PowerMac G5 and there have never been any glare or reflection issues.
 
I really wish people would stop the moaning about the glossy screens. Going into an Apple Store and playing with a Mac there is a useless venture to see if the glossiness is an issue at all for you. The lighting there is brighter than anything anyone would have in their daily offices let alone homes. Of course you are going to notice a reflection.

Do you people honestly bitch about the "reflection" on a CRT TV or glass paneled LCD HDTV???? I WISH my HDTV LCD was glass paneled for a deeper glossy look.

I have owned the first gen MacBook WITH GLOSSY SCREEN since the weekend after it hit the stores and have NEVER had issue with any reflections that might have been there. The only issue I have is the vertical viewable range is too narrow for my tastes but oh well! I also do light Photoshop, Illustrator and Flash work on it when I am away from my PowerMac G5 and there have never been any glare or reflection issues.

Well I'm glad you like your glossy screen, some people just don't like them, and not offering them is plain stupid for some peoples needs.

My workspace at home has sunlight screaming in during a day, meaning my macbook can be a pain to use, but my 2 22" LG matte monitors are fine with the dual G5. Sure I could move my entire home studio around just to have some shiny screens, but that seems idiotic.

At my workplace I have the same issue of sunlight coming in, so when I have to bring in my macbook it's a bit of a pain, and I'm pretty much stuck there.

I too really like my macbook, but the MBP really should have a matte option, it's just silly that the 17" has and the 15" hasn't.

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No matter what happens with the mac, as long as the iPhone farts people will be happy :)
 
Logic

The lack of clear thinking always amazes me here.

MBP Speed Bump
Perhaps everyone thinks that processors arrive at Apple delivered by magic fairies? They come from a "supplier", which for some time has been known as Intel. (it's a computer company, go ahead, you can Google it) So, what does that suggest about a speed bump in processors, regardless of the date of said bump? To me, it says one of a few possible things. And none of them are really related to Apple.

1) Intel has rearranged their pricing so that it is more worthwhile to Apple to purchase slightly faster models, yet keeping retail price the same.

2) Intel has changed their testing to a slightly faster level. Let's face it, the only real difference in any of these processors is the speed it is rated at. This is why so many will overclock their CPUs.

3) Intel has stopped selling the slower models, possibly because of #2.

Keyboards
People are arguing mindlessly over which keys should be most popular on a keyboard. Truly, a noteworthy day in the annals of the internet. People will choose, get over it.

But, looking at the main ire of some, it is not that Apple has made a tiny keyboard, but that it is now the default purchase option, meaning longer waits to get an iMac plus what has been considered a "normal" keyboard for 2 decades. And an apparent inability to walk into a retail store and buy one. This is not the direction Apple has been heading lately. This puts them back in the kiddie pool, just when thousands more people had started considering them viable in the workplace. I bet the option changes in the next 2 months, or at least at the next upgrade.
 
I really wish people would stop the moaning about the glossy screens. Going into an Apple Store and playing with a Mac there is a useless venture to see if the glossiness is an issue at all for you. The lighting there is brighter than anything anyone would have in their daily offices let alone homes. Of course you are going to notice a reflection.

Do you people honestly bitch about the "reflection" on a CRT TV or glass paneled LCD HDTV???? I WISH my HDTV LCD was glass paneled for a deeper glossy look.

It's great that you like the glossy screen. But so what? Others have to like it, too? Offices are bright places, last I checked. People work with glossy screens by getting them at the right angle, because glare is an issue. Course, virtually all Windoze laptops have glossy screens, so that is the daily issue for almost everyone working on a laptop.

For the record, YES, people bitch about glossy TVs all the time. It is a huge discussion in the ongoing LCD vs Plasma war since plasmas generally have full glass faces and most LCDs are far less glossy. Maybe you should go buy a plasma.
 
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