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I know that the Vista 64-bit Nvidia Quadro drivers work on Windows Server 2008 - I'm running them.

Thanks for that.

I'm looking at a Mac Pro and Vista 64 bit to run Pro/Engineer WF 4.0 and Solidworks 2007, and the only potential issues are OpenGL drivers for the Quadro card. Right now, the Quadro 5600 is way overkill in both capabilities and price, so I'm hoping that I can get something more in the range of the Quadro 4600 as a BTO by the time I buy, which will be shortly after NAB (I want to see if there will be a Blu-Ray option, as well as new Cinema Displays).
 
I was under the impression that my Macbook Revision 2 is 64 bit capable.
Why wouldn't I be able to install 64 bit Windows.

I have 64-bit Server on my late 2006 MacBook Pro purely to evaluate the technical possibility. It works fine, but with no customized drivers. With these drivers, you might do a little better with 64-bit Vista on your notebook, but as of now Apple is issuing no promises.
 
i dont really get this part

"Important: Do not install an earlier version of Windows XP and attempt to update it later to SP2 or later. Use only 32-bit versions of Windows."

of it.

Was Xp not always 32bit??
Whats the problem with instaling an before SP2 Win xp?
Usually compat. with older versions shouldnt be a problem.

I want to get the new MBP when it comes out and get paralles
to run some science and cad programs. But i have
only a CD version SP1 and a CD with SP2.

That should work right?
 
i dont really get this part

"Important: Do not install an earlier version of Windows XP and attempt to update it later to SP2 or later. Use only 32-bit versions of Windows."

of it.

Was Xp not always 32bit??
Whats the problem with instaling an before SP2 Win xp?
Usually compat. with older versions shouldnt be a problem.

I want to get the new MBP when it comes out and get paralles
to run some science and cad programs. But i have
only a CD version SP1 and a CD with SP2.

That should work right?

XP has a 32bit and 64bit. For boot camp to work you need Win XP SP2 integrated into it. Parallels and Fusion doesn't matter if you install the first copy of XP that came out or the latest with SP2 included. Its boot camp that requires the SP2.
 
How will a macbook air run Vista premium without a good graphics card? You need horsepower to run Vista. I am running it right now and I can tell you it is slow if you don't have a half way decent card.
 
Apple should just push a new disc image via Software Update. I don't want them to play games like only Mac Pro buyers are smart enough to buy 64-bit Windows.


No. Please no. I know Apple can be stubborn sometimes, but that would just be 100% ignorant.

I don't know. Personally, I've stuck with XP for gaming. I know there's a bit of a push on Microsoft's part to get people to hop on the Vista bandwagon for games, since "only Vista supports the new Direct-X 10.0 extensions". Regardless, if you look at the side-by-side comparisons of current games running with Direct-X 9.0 and 10 support, you quickly realize the additional features in 10 are of minimal significance at best. (For example, Bioshock offered slightly more realistic-looking waves in the water when you ran around in it. But as they pointed out, you'd hardly notice this during gameplay. You almost need a screen-shot to study it, compared to a screen-shot of the same scene without it, to see the improvement.)

On the other hand, Vista boots noticeably more slowly when I've used it, and has a lot more "overhead" all the way around. I imagine it's pretty good at putting background tasks on hold and "stepping out of the way" when a properly-coded game is launched and tells the OS it needs all the system resources.... but I still don't like the sluggish feel outside the games.

Plus, XP has a 3rd. service pack coming along soon - and I believe some of the improvements in Vista are slated to get rolled into it too. Given that, I don't think you're really going to feel a need to "ditch XP in a year". Surely, it will be longer than that before you feel like driver support for new devices has "dried up".

Yeah, I've tested this too. Vista is a good idea, but it just needs some ironing out still. The OS itself isn't so bad, but the drivers are a different story. XP has SP3 coming pretty quick here (in a month or so) and is already very stable/compatable, making it the better option here. One day Vista (preferably x64) will be the gamers choice, but for now not so much.
 
How will a macbook air run Vista premium without a good graphics card? You need horsepower to run Vista. I am running it right now and I can tell you it is slow if you don't have a half way decent card.

You really don't. You just have to turn off aero. Thats what takes up all the power and all it does is make the windows transparent. Its kinda funny in a sad way.

I run vista 64 business. The OS is pretty light, but then again i only use it for gaming so have have all the auxiliary services turned off and quite a few of the "necessary" services.
 
Charge extra for older 64-bit?

I sure hope they relax the "late-2007 Mac Pro only"
requirement, because I'd like to use 64-bit bootcamp
on my 2006 C2D iMac.

I wonder whether they'll charge extra for this on earlier
machines, though, like they did with the 802.11n enabler
and the new iPod Touch applications.
 
Yeah, I've tested this too. Vista is a good idea, but it just needs some ironing out still. The OS itself isn't so bad, but the drivers are a different story. XP has SP3 coming pretty quick here (in a month or so) and is already very stable/compatable, making it the better option here. One day Vista (preferably x64) will be the gamers choice, but for now not so much.

Hmm, amazing. It's amazing that when Leopard has a couple of flaws especially when it's just about features and not how the OS is acting people complain so much and even make fake threats on the forum that they are going to quit using OS X and Apple is very good about providing updates often.

Funny how Vista's service pack has still not been sent out to the public after a year in service and people (even on the Mac forums) still have hope for Vista to get better and give it credit like it deserves a chance.

Wonder why Mac OS X isn't treated so well by the computer nerds like Vista?:rolleyes:
 
I think only Ultimate has 64 bit installer Disc. I first bought Home Premium. Only had a 32-bit installer. Then I bought Ultimate. It had both 32-bit and 64-bit installer discs.

As was mentioned earlier, only Ultimate has both 32 and 64 on the same disc.

For some of the other versions, the 32-bit and 64-bit discs are different.

Also, it might be the case that the lowest versions don't have a 64-bit option - that would make sense, if you've put over 4 GiB in your system you're probably a bit less sensitive to the price of the OS license.

Edit: Seems that all have 64-bit: "Supported Operating Systems: Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition" http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...35-f799-4f93-bb3c-db70e22e1c1e&DisplayLang=en
 
Ok... question. How do the ppl who didn't buy these newer computer be able to get ahold of the x64 drivers? I mean, currently, when we install boot camp, we can put in the leopard dvd and it'll install the boot camp drivers. What happens on the updated drivers? are we back at the burning a drivers disk again?

Furthermore, i read one post, not sure if its answered, the macbook air has a X3100 video card, it can handle Aero in Vista without any problems. I can run it on my macbook's GMA950.
 
I get the info from the support of my 3D-software i working with that OSX 10.5 is NOT full 64bit. OSX doesn´t support more than 4 GB of memory for one application. They say that Apple will bring a fix for that but they don´t know when this would happen.

Last weekend i need 5 hours to get my renders running. Thank you Apple!!! Two thumbs up for "full 64bit"!!!!!! *ironie*
 
I get the info from the support of my 3D-software i working with that OSX 10.5 is NOT full 64bit. OSX doesn´t support more than 4 GB of memory for one application. They say that Apple will bring a fix for that but they don´t know when this would happen.

Last weekend i need 5 hours to get my renders running. Thank you Apple!!! Two thumbs up for "full 64bit"!!!!!! *ironie*

The programmers creating that application have to decide whether they want a 64 bit application or not. (Typically, you would create an application having Intel 32bit/64 bit and PPC 32 bit/64 bit support, four apps in one package, instead of Universal Binaries with just two apps in one package). If the application doesn't use 64 bit, there is nothing that Apple can do about it.

As an example, Mathematica has supported 64 bits with more than 4 GB of memory in that one application years ago on MacOS X 10.4.
 
As was mentioned earlier, only Ultimate has both 32 and 64 on the same disc.

I found out recently that Vista Ultimate ships with 32-bit and 64-bit in the same box but on different disks. OEM ultimate comes with only one version.
 
I found out recently that Vista Ultimate ships with 32-bit and 64-bit in the same box but on different disks. OEM ultimate comes with only one version.

You can use any vista key with either 32 or 64 bit versions. You just need to find the right disc or pay Microsoft to ship one ($10?). You can even dual boot both versions on the same machine using a single key.
 
I think only Ultimate has 64 bit installer Disc. I first bought Home Premium. Only had a 32-bit installer. Then I bought Ultimate. It had both 32-bit and 64-bit installer discs.

You can buy copies of the lower versions with a 64-bit disc. They might not sell them in retail stores, but they're around online.
 
Does anyone know if the new high end games (like crysis) will take advantage of more than 2GB of ram? I have 5 in my MP and thats the only reason I would think of putting XP/Vista 64 bit.

Also does anyone know if 3ds Max 5 (yea I know im outdated :) ) was supported 64 bit rendering? I haven't used it in a long time but am finding that it's great for package design mockups when used with Photoshop (my go to app)

I won't install Vista for a long time (or ever) but shouldn't there be a chance of Win XP 64 bit??
 
Yip yip yip yahoo...

Why would someone want to run Vista64 on a MacPro anyhow?

Not to seem rude, but have you been reading this thread's posts? People have stated why they'd want Vista64 installed on their Mac Pros.

Anyway, I have a late 2007 MacBook (GMA X3100) and I was wondering.... Do these drivers support XP Pro 64? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd think since the Santa Rosa chip that's in my MB is 64 bit that it'd make XP Pro run much smoother and make it more responsive. I have XP32 right now, and while it works fine I'm know it's not running to the full potential of my 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo Santa Rosa chip.
 
If your running a SR laptop, yes.


In a sense that you can go beyond 2gb of ram - This should also be true for the slightly older, non santa rosa macbooks, as the motherboard and processors are 64bit core 2 duos that can make use of 3gigs of RAM. i.e., you could have 4gigs of ram installed and 3gigs would be available for the OS to access. I'm currently using this arrangement (because 2x2gb sticks were so cheap) on my 2ghz white Sept '07 macbook, running Leopard 10.5.1. The 2gb sticks of mac-compatible ram can be purchased for around 70 bucks each. A must-have upgrade.

The real bummer is that I can't get 64 bit drivers for my macbook?
 
32-bit XP/Vista can access about 3 1/4 GiB of RAM

In a sense that you can go beyond 2gb of ram - This should also be true for the slightly older, non santa rosa macbooks, as the motherboard and processors are 64bit core 2 duos that can make use of 3gigs of RAM. i.e., you could have 4gigs of ram installed and 3gigs would be available for the OS to access.

The 32-bit versions of XP and Vista do not have a 2 GiB limit (note that "gb" means "giga-bit", not "giga-byte").

Code:
>systeminfo

OS Name:                   Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate
OS Version:                6.0.6000 N/A Build 6000
OS Manufacturer:           Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration:          Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type:             Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner:          Aiden Shaw
Registered Organization:
Original Install Date:     2007-04-17, 07:26:35
System Boot Time:          2008-01-02, 17:04:43
System Manufacturer:       Dell Inc.
System Model:              Latitude D620
System Type:               X86-based PC
Processor(s):              1 Processor(s) Installed.
                           [01]: x64 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~2000 Mhz
BIOS Version:              Dell Inc. A08, 2007-04-03
Windows Directory:         V:\Windows
System Directory:          V:\Windows\system32
Boot Device:               \Device\HarddiskVolume2
[B]Total Physical Memory:     3,326 MB[/B]
Available Physical Memory: 1,003 MB

This is a Napa64 system....

The "missing" 3/4 GiB or so is used by the OS and hardware for I/O regions, over-mapping the graphics VRAM, and other very low-level functions.

The actual size of usable RAM will vary according to the installed hardware, but 3 GiB to 3 1/2 GiB is the typical range.
 
Not all Vista versions are available in 64-bit

Aw, no one else has mentioned this yet to wind us all up???

Vista Starter is not available in 64-bit. :p

Maybe Apple doesn't want consumers to get confused about 32-bit vs. 64-bit and this might explain Apple avoiding putting drivers out with consumer models despite their support for 64-bit.
 
On an interesting side note I only seem to be able to address 3.8 GB of RAM on my MacBook Santa Rosa under Ubuntu 64-bit. I have a feeling that even though the GM965 chipset allows the laptop to address up to 8 GB. When you're in BIOS mode you're still in 32-bit mode on the MacBook SR.

mcnaugha said:
Aw, no one else has mentioned this yet to wind us all up???

Vista Starter is not available in 64-bit.

Maybe Apple doesn't want consumers to get confused about 32-bit vs. 64-bit and this might explain Apple avoiding putting drivers out with consumer models despite their support for 64-bit.
You might want to see this post. Vista Starter? If you can easily find it please do tell.
 
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