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Or alternatively, use your iPhone to control your keynote presentation?

Or run airserver and mirror your ios device off your macbook.

Now that you mention it, I think it's the clicker that is the outdated piece of hardware. Seriously? Paying so much for a device with such a limited feature set?
Have you actually given presentations with your suggested solutions? I have. They're not good solutions.
 
Who even buys the MBA when they could buy a 13" retina pro? It's not like the rMBP isn't ultra-portable or doesn't have a great battery life already.

Sure the MBA might be a little lighter with a little better battery but it comes at an enormous performance cost. I mean I guess if you are a die-hard Starbucks dweller who needs to surf facebook for 12 hours, then I guess the Air is for you since it's about all it can do, somewhat negating the need for huge battery life IMO.

And it sounds like they are going to keep the 13" air with it's screen from 2003? lolol.
 
You are probably right on a theoretical level. But I don't think the MACBOOK AIR is really the computer for those types of workloads.

I think you are looking perhaps to narrowly at just computational workloads. The battery life issue of the MBA is really what power supply tasks comprise its workload. What is plugged in plays a substantive role there too. Some folks use their laptop as being the "bigger battery" for there smaller devices. Whether Apple works around that by moving that workload to the external power brick or not would play a role on the power workload.

Cranking up the pixels makes both the GPU and display consumption go up. Can be running the same application types, but this workload may trend up a bit.

Hiking up the power specs on USB also cranks up power draw from wider set of USB devices that are attached leveraging bus power.



The Air got unnecessarily powerful and Apple is now returning it to its roots as the thinnest and lightest full power computer.

The original MBA was a lightweight when it came to computational power. It was far more a play on being "fast enough to get some mainstream things down" than on being a "full power computer".

The competitive environment has substantially changed since 2008. That "full power" was primarily relative to the as cheap as possible netbooks of the same era. The rest of the Mac laptop line up was substantially better than the MBA.

Over time the "low voltage" U/ULV models get closer to performance ranges as the non low voltage offerings. That is just natural "Moore's Law" improvements over time seen across the computer industry. Similar thing will happen wth Core M. In 2-3 years Core M will be where the 'U' models are now. The 'U' models will be where their next level up cohorts are now.

What is changing is not the tech progress as much as user workloads. Some new stuff is coming that drive it up ( bulk pixel processing) but in many mainstream cases it isn't as much as the improvements coming.

The threat the "lightest, smallest" laptop is under is far more so from the keyboard-less tablets now trying to move up into their space.


The other issue for Apple specifically is that they have been trying to fill the Macbook/Powerbook (entry level computer) role with the MBA for the last couple of years. The necessarily powerful enough was a constraint it had to play to help justify its price point (far more than lighter, smaller, a substantive number of buyers were buying it because it was cheaper. )


But Apple may have skimped again the battery size to get to this form factor. So maybe this device won't have great battery life. That would be a mistake if that is the case. We need to move past battery life being an issue.

I suspect Apple has traded higher display/GPU power consumption for lower components elsewhere ( better CPU , chipset, lower power radio infrastructure, lack of fan power draw , etc. ). This new model is probably in similar battery lifetime range as 'old' MBA 11" is now.


Power is in the good enough range if not looking for laptop to serve as charging dock for other battery powered (or just bus powered ) devices.
 
For simple stuff this may work. In my job using cloud services is not allowed. Also there is not everywhere a wifi network you are allowed to use.

The lack of an USB port is one of the main reasons why I'm not using the iPad for anything useful (aka work related). If the MBA goes in the same direction it's not the notebook I need or want.

However looking at the thinness obsession of Apple the 13"MB pro will soon be similar to the 13" MBA with more CPU power and the ncessary ports. If this is the strategy (making the MBA like a tablet and making the 13"MBP like a MBA) then I'm fine with it.

There's enough people out there who don't need cables and can rely on the cloud. So while your argument is valid, there's always going to be someone with a counter.

I'm in your camp. I need USB ports for what I do and an SD slot. I'm sure the day will come where we have wireless usb for our devices and that could work but we're not there yet... and for those who use wireless headsets, more power to you but nothing wireless goes near my brain. I love my wired headset, I use it for every phone call and podcasts.

Apple is pushing the cloud hard and what better way to do get people on it then to force them on it. Honestly it's a great business move for their agenda. When Apple no longer makes products that are useful for me I'll move on. I love OS X but I'll easily go back to Windows one day if Apple's direction no longer suits me.
 
How many OS X apps run on ARM? Zero. That's one reason why. Apple could spend money on a emulator stack, but if Intel's chips can do the job at a price point that Apple can afford to pay.... why bother? They aren't winning anything long term.

Cheaper MBA (because A8X's are cheaper than Core Ms) ? More than necessary cannibalism with the iOS devices is just as unlikely as more than necessary cannibalism between Mac products.

At the top tier general CPU computation demands I haven't seen alot of proof that the A8X performs in the same league as Core M. Even less when multiple apps are in flight.

Geekbench in single user , single app mode isn't particularly a good real world metric for OS X. It is useful to compare one generation of Macs against another. Or multiple Macs in a same architecture generation, but for broad spectrum workload evaluation.... it isn't a broad spectrum workload.

Take A8X with running multiple substantive apps at the same time with only 2GB of memory and watch what happens. I'm not knocking the A8X but it is very targeted implementation. It is built for iOS and its limitations. That is one reason Apple gets their ARM implementation to market a bit faster than the other ARM implementers that are aimed at broader usage/usefulness markets. Likewise Core M isn't optimized for sub 2GB contexts where primarily run just one app at a time. (that would be the Bay Trail and the other "Atom" space processors ).

Wonderful explanation, thank you! I get what you're saying.
 
They've had prototype MBP's with 3G radios in them for years and years. I dont know why it's never brought to market.

1. decreased battery life.

2. hassles of having to do locked , certification with each cell service vendor. 3G service contract leverage without the iPad like volumes.

3. space. Runs counter to thinnest. ( there aren't huge empty gaps on the finished motherboards . ) Drive the RAM mounting horizontal and crank down the case thickness and radios are sucking up room have forced other components into with other design constraints.

universal sim cards , streamlined certifications , space availability and limited impact on battery life would probably have much higher chances of making the final cut.

Right now can "punt" the 3G radio to a USB dongle and don't have to do production logistics. It is decent skill set to work on ( hence the R&D projects. ). Worst case can be assigned to more iOS projects were it is more deeply leveraged.
 
Who even buys the MBA when they could buy a 13" retina pro? It's not like the rMBP isn't ultra-portable or doesn't have a great battery life already.

Sure the MBA might be a little lighter with a little better battery but it comes at an enormous performance cost.

Considering I just bought the 11" MBA I'll bite....

I came from an original iPad Retina. It was a nice unit but I always used it with a keyboard and found it lacking for what I want to do (edit pictures and other stuff on the run). While it was great portable fun it always felt lacking for doing work. And by the time you added the keyboard case it was nearly as bulky as a laptop.

Looking to upgrade, I looked at the 128GB iPad Air and at $699 for it, $79 for a keyboard case, and $39 for the camera kit it was dangerously close to the 11" MBA in price and size. Played with the MBA and thought... Hmm, about the same price, more capabilities, about the same size, etc...

Performance has been fine with Lightroom and Photoshop editing RAW files from my D300. Not as fast as the iMac upstairs but not slow at all. Certainly not a dog, and IMHO an upgrade from any iPad. I love that I can tuck it behind the work laptop in the case and have it everywhere with me without noticing it at all.
 
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When they say they are "ramping up" production, does that mean they are already in production and they are going to ramp up on the number they are already producing, or does it mean they are ramping up to start production.
 
The original MBA was a dog performance what relative to the previous Mac lpatops. It is in part because Apple moved before the technology was fully mature. It was enabled enough to make a product but not a fully mainstream product.

This is likely another generational shift that is built far more so around what is coming over the next 3 years out of Intel's pipeline than component products that come out 3 years ago. The MBA 4-6 years ago was priming the pump for the MBA 2013-2014 models. So thing is likely happening here.




The whole thing about "Air" was about dumping ports. The connectivity was suppose to shift to "over the Air" that's why Air is in the name. Wifi is faster more widely useful now ( e.g., Display over Wifi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiDi ). Bluetooth is faster and more widely useful now (e.g., point-to-point ad hoc high sped networks is what makes Continuity work) . Those factors are going to get weaved into the models that are pushing the 'Air' concept.




It think you have it backwards to an extent. The last couple of years the MBA, especially the 11" model, actually took up the position of the MacBook/PowerBook. Entry level (affordable) laptop that comes with a couple of compromises but can get basic jobs done (maybe with alittle help from externals). That is really the what want. Not what the Air was originally.

This "as slim as possible" is actually going to back to the Air roots that the MBA has been drifting from. It probably won't be the "most affordable" Mac laptop anymore. It would help if Apple just retagged the products.

MBA 13" --( logical broadwell update ) ----> Macbook
MBA 11" --- ( via upscale to Retina and even slimmer diet) --> 'next tech evolution ' Air model. MBA 12"


Over time the "horsepower" will come back as the SoC (CPU+GPU+Chipset) technology incrementally moves forward. Same thing happened last time as Flash and "lower voltage" tech incrementally moved forward.




The display is only incrementally more and the Core M is incrementally less. The chipset and radios are less. There are no 100W ports to power. [ I wouldn't be surprised if port can't do higher than base USB 3.0 spec power charging if the high charge ports move off to the power brick. ]




Most computer users don't wander to client sites and can only connect with Ethernet. The issue is that these "I need to use 3-4 ports at the same time" users are a relatively shrinking set of the market. It isn't that they don't exist, it is just that they don't dominate the market. All the more so in the markets that Apple sells into. Apple isn't trying to sell to the same fixed, limited subset of customers forever. That's never been the company's core mission.

Most mainstream workloads probably can run off of internal battery only for a whole day's worth of work ( 7-8 work day). iPhone can be charged with handy external battery pack that is far more portable than any laptop (even if don't get phone charging power brick with new model ). Huge swaths of folks just use Wifi. Another huge chunk use wireless headsets. Collaborate data sharing over web services ... more than a few use every day.

Free the port from power , display (why paying extra to Retina if not using it most of the time?), and TCP/IP traffic the one port left over can hold a dongle for a legacy USB device.


Apple's jihad against wires had drawn more than a few "wire haters" to them. Neatness, simpler seekers ( if don't consider the RF spectrum). This whole nuke ports thing is hardly new either. Apple pushed Thunderbolt adoption by going wholesale into port adoption. Likewise with move to Lightning. Suspect same thing will happen with USB Type C over slightly longer product rollout schedule ( 2 years rather than just one. )

All points taken, and I'm sure most of them are right on target, at least from Apple's PoV. However, I strongly believe that having a few ports will not push away any potential buyer that hesitates between an ultra-portable laptop and a tablet, while the opposite (e.g. removing almost everything supporting wired connectivity) will alienate lots of users that actually use MBA for work (in my work, the MBA has become a really popular laptop). Pushing people towards MBP for anything else than a tablet-style usage, can have a serious backfire, since the future potential buyers will start thinking that maybe MBP is too expensive/overkill for their needs, while other PC laptops seem to look more and more attractive.

I'm really not convinced that this is another radical change of the MBA. After all, the professional who needs a powerful laptop will use Macbook Pro in a manner that - more or less - binds him to the Apple ecosystem. MBA, though, is a different story. The mainstream usage of the current MBA is such that allows its users to easily switch back to PC, in case the h/w doesn't cut it anymore.

Having said that, though, I caught myself forgetting that we are only commenting over a rumor. This new laptop may not even belong to the MBA line, or maybe it is offered as an additional option along the current models.
 
Why release a 12" iPad Pro and a 12" MacBook Air in the same year? Especially considering the rumoured 12" Air allegedly won't have any ports... like the iPad...

I'd rather have one or the other.

I think ditching the 11" Air is a bad idea. It's a great size for travel and you need the USB ports for connectivity.
 
It isn't so much that iOS has catered to the need. There were touch screen Macs ( after market ) long before there ever was an iPhone, iPad, or anything iOS device. That some users can't find some utility by using their fingers on a screen

iOS is much bigger than OS X. There is little, to no need to grow touch solutions bigger by adding a touch focus for OS X. If Apple needs a Chromebook 'killer' then all they need to do is put an Apple ARM solution from a iPad design into a laptop form factor. Done. Already have an OS. Already have the apps (even more so if roll out a 12" iPad Pro) .

Windows 8 ( and up ) brings in touch because legacy Windows apps, hosted data, and infrastructure bring all the huge inertia.




Chromebooks (and Chromeboxes) fill a need for affordable personal computers. The whole Apple line up really don't do that. Apple's 30% tax and targeting of higher build costs is in conflict with getting computers into the hands of as many people as possible. Microsoft Windows tax wasn't either. That's why Chromebooks are there in the market.

Apple's push back against Flash and toward HTML 5 + javascript as a open standards based web app delivery platform was (and still is) a large enabling factor for Chromebooks. It isn't a joke. Chrome device can do effective work offline also. It is the speed and robustness of the HTML 5 + javascript stack that is far more important.

If have 1,000 kids in a school and can choose between iPads and $100-200 cheaper Chromebooks, then that is a difference of $100-200K. That amount of money isn't a joke for more than a few school operators.

Chrome devices were never intended to take over the whole PC industry. They are targeted at a very real subset.

When touch gets super affordable then it will be pervasive on Chromebooks. That is coming. It may take another year or two to arrive, but it will eventually.

Touch is more driven short term by the targeted Android app ports that are trickling onto Chromebooks. That may or may not work out so well long term.

Sure, they were after market touch screens added as a modification to Macs. But going to my University, going to coffee shops, going out in general - how many Macs do I see serviced to add touch? None. To me anyway, other than the fact its third party doing these alterations and the added cost attributed to them, I don't find any need to touch my Mac screen. The way the OS is designed, the trackpad works great!

Touch is becoming affordable, there are very many cheap alternatives that actually run a full operating system. While Windows 8 (and 10 soon) might not be everyones cup of tea there are some serious competitors as compared to Chromebooks.

However, I like your perspective of looking at something that I normally wouldn't consider but I would still advise for cheaper alternatives (HP Stream 11 for instance) that can have more functional use.
 
... However, I strongly believe that having a few ports will not push away any potential buyer that hesitates between an ultra-portable laptop and a tablet, while the opposite (e.g. removing almost everything supporting wired connectivity) will alienate lots of users that actually use MBA for work (in my work, the MBA has become a really popular laptop).

The original MBA model was partially a stopgap. This revision likely is too.
I think what Apple will get some utility in measuring is the just how large/small this "burn off" is for these extra ports. The MBA later evolved up to USB two ports. When TB v3.0 comes either Apple will go to two Type C like ports (one is TB + USB 3.0 and the other just plain USB 3.0) or (if abandon TB ) just plain two USB Type C ports ( and probably nuke the headphone jack if can't move it down closer to the front edge.).

If count video and data connectivity ports going down to just one + headphone jack is one fewer than on original MBA. ( there was a mini DVI port on the original Air. ). I think the mix of video and data is a solution Apple is much more likely to cover Thunderbolt with.

It is too soon for TB v3.0. Besides, they are probably getting pretty close to max thin/flatness. The MBA 12" ver 2 or 3 major feature would be adding stuff back in ( similar MBA formula as last time).

Since it is too soon for the TB v3.0 solution, I suspect they'll leave the MBA 13" in play. [ the classic MBA 13" still is surprisingly in the store. Some number of folks must be buying them in sufficient numbers to keep Apple from killing it off. ] This "about as light as a tablet laptop" will only have to cover those coin flipping between a tablet/laptop if the older larger form factor stays around. "burn off" in a singular sub-product and most folks are still buying between a set of Apple products doesn't have much downside.


Long term they would be signaling the direction. Long term legacy USB type A ports are probably dead across the line up. If someone figures out a path to more affordable and more portable docking stations... that will likely turn into a profitable 3rd party opportunity.



since the future potential buyers will start thinking that maybe MBP is too expensive/overkill for their needs, while other PC laptops seem to look more and more attractive.

As the average selling price of laptops drops into the iPad zone I don't think Apple is going to be very pressed to follow them down on a race to the bottom. Grudgingly dropping under $1000 is probably enough of a compromise. I doubt there is any strong desire to press lower than $899 unless. Apple does need a laptop to fill the MacBook role. It is somewhat questionable though that a product with the MBA's design constraints/objectives is best suited to fill that role.

Unless the iPad offering all move down and open a bigger gap, I doubt Apple is going to move the OS X laptops into more deep overlaps. Apple has single digit classic PC form factor market. Overall personal computer market share is bit up from that point (more than a bit actually). There is already a money making solution at those lower price points.



Having said that, though, I caught myself forgetting that we are only commenting over a rumor. This new laptop may not even belong to the MBA line, or maybe it is offered as an additional option along the current models.

I doubt this is just rumor. The number of sources and the number of other vendors doing something similar with Core M announced at CES 2015. These rumors cranked more intensely as Dell and other released (or at least announced ) more thinnest , lightest , etc models it is likely not a coincidence. Apple isn't quite finished yet but they likely also are not trying to stay in complete stealth (cloaking ) mode either.

Core M's even smaller/slimmer physical packing optimizations, lower power but GPU improvements, silent implementation reference designs have Apple's fingerprints all over it.

Apple has also been converging the MBP 13" into the same space at the MBA. To keep two ( or more ) lines of 12-13" laptops there was bound to be some differentiation beyond the legacy MBA constraints coming down the road. Otherwise, the MBA would just disappear like the MacBook did as a product name.

The old and new Mac Pro is the same name not but not trying to cover exactly the same product market. It would be more clarify to shift the names though if the MBA 13" is decoupled from the MBA 12" in direction.
 
But what happens when someone/students/visitor arrive with talks/data/photos on a thumb drive EXPECTING you to be able to access them - you know, because EVERY COMPUTER FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS AT LEAST ONE STANDARD USB PORT!

If I go any give a seminar somewhere, sometimes it is a requirement to copy the presentation onto a host computer system (more often than not, just a dumb non-networked laptop). I need to be able to copy over the final version of a talk (normally finished on the flight/train) to a thumb drive and then across to the presentation computer.

My point is: There is no need to make a laptop so thin that it can't house a standard USB slot surely?

USB is hardly a large port!
To where and from where?

There are a myriad of cloud storage options available that allows for this type of functionality to be done without having to physically transfer anything.

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Also, if you notice there is a still a USB-C port. I assume flash drives will keep up with new standard port tech.

There's also the ever-popular "just email it to yourself" option. ;)
 
Totally agree. This is the same issue when Apple instead of adding a blue ray drive to the iMac, they took out all external devices out. The world did not end. Apple was just ahead of the curve in realizing that we were moving to digital downloads. And the same with this. Why do we need ports for dongles when we have Bluetooth? Why do we need ports for external drives on a mobile device that has everything stored in cloud drive? We need to stop holding on to the past. There are better ways to do things now.
If what we see is legitimate (and not the musings of a fan, or a trial balloon floated by Apple itself), then there must be more to it than what has been revealed.

Remove the ports but keep the archaic 3.5mm headphone jack?! I'm sure someone will claim that it is important to keep the jack while at the same time defending the removable of all other ports. *shrug*

You outline a very narrow use case where this device makes sense. Even minimal devices like Chromebooks have more connectivity features.

Pricing may help position this device well... a $500 base price could make things interesting. $900, not so much.
 
Core M is too underpowered, they will use the Core U processor (5650U) else we even don't have to discuss one or 2 ports, retina or no retina display because than the present MBA is the better notebook.

Ya, the only benchmark I could find for the top-of-the-line Core M (5Y71) was on a Lenovo (Geekbench 32 bit = 1955/3271) while my 13" MBA's i7-4650U came in at 2413/4817 on the 32 bit test and even higher in the 64 bit test.

Still, I wonder how the M chips will fare in the MBA. Still very curious.

Someone can enlighten me....but why would Apple go with the Core M chips when it appears (at least by Geekbench standards, which I know isn't a lot) their own Apple A8X chip beats out the top Core M chip in performance? If they want something with low power consumption and fan less....why not go with their own ARM designs like has been speculated?

A8X hits 1807/4531 on GB3.
 
It's the other companies on the wrong road.

Apple seems to have chosen a weird road, during the last few years that makes me worry, as a computer user.

How so. What is this "weird road" you guys are talking about?

Sorry, but no way here for Apple.

Samsung, Google, Microsoft, etc. all seem to travel the wrong road & eventually host a fire sale, lick their wounds & watch share rice drop like oil stocks.

After that, Samsung and a few others get back to pirating all of Apple's products and increase the size of their legal staff. Hah! :D
 
And what if you want to use a mouse that has a dongle plugged in to the single port and want to charge at the same time? Apple has a dongle for that...

It's really obvious that Apple will supply a hub of some sort integrated into the power supply (cable), so that should be no problem, dongle free.
 
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