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Apple Recloses Eight Stores in Maryland, Missouri, Virginia, and Wisconsin

C DM said:
In some cases it might not even be so much that as it is reopening too quickly/much and/or without enough proper realistic procedures in place basically everywhere that need to be followed and are actually enforced.
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Yeah, I think it’s all the same problem. It’s a question of statistics. More active cases means more necessary control measures to reduce the chance that a given number of new exposures happen. New Zealand got their numbers to zero and were able to reopen with little in the way of additional procedures. New York is getting their numbers low enough that they can think about responsibly opening with proper realistic procedures.

The states I mentioned never really showed they could bring the virus to heel. They’re all showing signs of trouble, but communities that seem to be most avoiding common sense are having the the biggest problems. Florida seems to be to be a case study for not giving a whit...
 
Baymowe335 said:
Actually, a lot of what you say is not necessary is someone’s livelihood. Kind of the way the economy works. Very necessary. Entire industries depend on people doing things other than grocery shopping and going to the hospital.

Your solution is fine short term. This virus isn’t going away, likely even after a vaccine. See the flu.

The new reality is taking precautions and living your life...

Also, psychology is a real thing. You can only be quarantined for so long before you are depressed and other secondary effects set in.

This is of course separate from the kind of obvious need for purpose, work, money, socializing, and the broader economic implications.

Other countries, yeah OK...like China with 90,000 cases? I totally believe it. I know significant groups of people from China personally that say there is a 100% chance all the info out of there is a total lie. All of the numbers are reported in varying methods and certainly have questionable accuracy and transparency.

This is the new reality and the economy (including the fun stuff like Mr. Toad) will need to adjust.
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See my post above-- I'm well aware that people's livelihoods are being affected. The answer to that isn't to send people to slaughter, but to mitigate the economic damage.

Did I mention China? I don't remember mentioning China... No idea why you're going on about China...

Yes, we all want to get life back to normal and doing that means being responsible. But everyone wants their Umpa Lumpas now...
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Baymowe335 said:
Yeah, great logic. Let’s expand on it. No one “needs” many things. We actually need very little.

What did you eat today? You didn’t need that little indulgence like those chips or ice cream in the comfort of your home. Did you need Netflix? All of those things require many interactions in the supply chain from gathering raw materials, manufacturing, shipping, maintenance, etc. All those interactions are potential virus spreaders.

With your logic, everyone should be on government supplied rations and water to be collected once a month with coupons.

People love throwing stones, but they have their little pleasures they don’t want to give up and refuse to see the full picture because it’s not a family vacation destination and requires a little more deep thinking to understand.

You have plenty of wants and expect them to continue, so chill.
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You're criticizing logic, and then saying we have to choose between Pandemic Disney World and coupons for water?
 
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Analog Kid said:
See my post above-- I'm well aware that people's livelihoods are being affected. The answer to that isn't to send people to slaughter, but to mitigate the economic damage.

Did I mention China? I don't remember mentioning China... No idea why you're going on about China...

Yes, we all want to get life back to normal and doing that means being responsible. But everyone wants their Umpa Lumpas now...
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You're criticizing logic, and then saying we have to choose between Pandemic Disney World and coupons for water?
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Yes, depends on how you far you want to go. You don’t get to decide where that line resides.
 
Craptastic said:
I’ll be damned if I have to go through this all over again because some of the people in this country suck and need to flex their constitutional rights about going out or not wearing a mask.
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I agree, but must point out there is no constitutional right to go out in public without wearing a mask any more than there's a right to wander out in public without wearing any clothes. Aside from that, failing to wear a mask in these times says a lot about the fools who think their rights trump others' right to live. Why should the rest of us care about anyone who cares so little about everyone else?
 
BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
I'm suspicious of some of the reasoning given by Apple once again, especially since Baltimore is a weak Apple market to begin with, but the Washington, DC are had more COVID outbreaks and still does, yet those stores remain open as its a much bigger market and much more profitable. I sense another Tim Cook bean counter move here.
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It may be another Tim Cook bean counter move...and reducing expenses by closing a store in two, results in a net positive to the bottom line and benefits shareholders. (Imagine the criticism if Apple didn't pay it's employees)

Now after ascertaining that is (another bean counter move), what do we do with that information and where do we go?

You're certainly within your rights on an anonymous internet forum to post your opinion of Apple and Tim Cook. But it may be like a tree falling in a forest.
 
AFDoc said:
yeah no... the antibodies produced to fight COVID 19 diminish significantly within 2-3 months so there is no herd immunity, there is no "vaccine" in the true sense of the word.... You can get sick more than once.
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Whelp, guess this time Mother Nature has determined a certain number of people must die in 2020 no matter what. I wonder who has the power to stop this.
 
Analog Kid said:
Reality is what we make it. We seem to be drifting through the reality of half measures leading to bad economic and bad health outcomes because people can’t think long term and delay gratification.
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I fully understand delayed gratification bc I work in finance. There is no delayed gratification when many people lose jobs on a mass scale. People need that money and aren’t trash because they can’t wait for it. Any shutdown longer than maybe 3-4 weeks (and even still) causes massive economic destruction and simply can’t be sustained. It also can’t be done in yo-yo uncertain fashion. We need to fully move forward with this new reality and whatever reasonable precautions to keep all parts of the economy firing.
 
Baymowe335 said:
I fully understand delayed gratification bc I work in finance. There is no delayed gratification when many people lose jobs on a mass scale. People need that money and aren’t trash because they can’t wait for it. Any shutdown longer than maybe 3-4 weeks (and even still) causes massive economic destruction and simply can’t be sustained. It also can’t be done in yo-yo uncertain fashion. We need to fully move forward with this new reality and whatever reasonable precautions to keep all parts of the economy firing.
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Not sure what kind of finance you mean. Wolf of Wall Street didn't look like delayed gratification to me. If it's the green visor, balance the accounts, kind of finance then you understand both the compound growth of the virus and what happens to businesses that expand too quickly. The best strategy is to build the best environment for business growth and then proceed cautiously and deliberately.

The yo-yo effect is 100% due to the people who keep saying this is no big deal and we just need to tough it out.

You can keep up with the straw man arguments, but you keep missing the mark. Is "trash" really what you think of people generally when they aren't working? I'm not sure how that word even entered the conversation...

You seem to keep avoiding my earlier comments, so I'll put them where they're easier to find:

Analog Kid said:
People’s livelihoods will be.

There is a definite bias in how the economic impact of this pandemic is hitting businesses.

Economically, if you want the free market to choose the winners and losers rather than let the short term impact of the virus make those decisions, then you need to provide life support to the business that the virus response impacts most.

Morally, if you have an objection to certain types of businesses in your area then it should be resolved through public comment, legislation and regulation, not viral opportunism.

Pragmatically, if we put an unfairly outsized economic burden on specific individuals or make them feel targeted at a vulnerable time, then they are going to resist making the sacrifices we all need them to in order to protect the public health.

And the more businesses we let fail the more systemic this recession will become and the harder it will be to restart and return to normal. Those bartenders pay rent to landlords who buy computers from companies that hire software engineers who buy houses built by people shopping at hardware stores, etc, etc...
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