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"Fair use" is not a law. They don't have to allow you or make it easy for you to do. They just can't sue you for it.

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Well considering it's part of Title 17 Section 107 of the United States Code it is, by definition, law in the United States. Not sure where you live.
 
Apple has DRM free video?? Isn't what this is all about video content?
once again i am sure my post will get overlooked..

Well, yeah, they do. Podcasts and iTunes U stuff. But the OP wrote something about Apple not really promoting the DRM-free content they do have for sale, which is only audio -- for SALE, that is -- and so I responded in line regarding audio. Ultimately I think the discussion is really about REQUIRING you load your Zune or iPod with DRM-protected content, barring playback of non-DRM content no matter its source, irrespective of the pros and cons of DRM present on some electronically distributed (as in, downloadable) digital content.

The real problem, potentially, is that with so-called copyright filtering, if I chose to load my iPod or iPhone or Zune with dozens or hundreds of hours of recordings of ME performing of MY OWN piano compositions, I would not be able to do so without protecting it with compatible DRM -- tools for which are highly unlikely to be made available to the general public.
 
Microsoft controls are fairly large market share with the Zune now. When the 30GB first gen Zunes were selling for <$100 people starting buying them up right and left. I also decided myself to go with the 80GB 2nd gen Zune because it was cheaper and offered more than 80GB iPod Classic. I was most intrigued by it's larger glass display vs the smaller plastic one on the iPod Classic.

It's funny how when MS has about 3% of a market they have a fairly large share, but when Apple has about 3% of a market they are irrelevant, obscure and ultimately doomed.

Nothing wrong with owning a Zune if you prefer it. Hey, I actually LIKED the brown color version of the original model -- the color, anyway. But don't kid yourself MS has a horse in the portable digital media player/store game; not for the foreseeable future, anyway.
 
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Yesterday, we learn NBC will charge zune owners for content. Today, we here NBC is giving it away to iPhone/touch!! WTF? Seems like 2 million more phone sales on this news alone. Steve must be very happy. BTW the lower quality from NBC should be streamable on 3g iPhone. AT&T will get killed on useage if data remains unlimited.

There's a reasonable usage clause. There always is. Streaming TV shows not optimized for iPhone -- like the content delivered via the iPhone YouTube interface -- a couple hours a day will get you popped by ATT, warned and then cut off.

Anyway, this would all be fascinating if I ever watched anything on TV besides cables news networks. And 99% of the time I wish I never turned those on, either. When I bought our HDTVs, I bought one really nice one at a good discount because it lacked both ATSC and NTSC tuners. The sales guy wanted to make sure I had a cable or satellite box for it. I said, yeah, but not like it matters to me. (The kids and my wife would flip without at least some TV, though.)
 
Not arrogant, it is just amazing how Apple can **** twice as hard on its customers and they come right back screaming how MS is worse. I simply was saying Apple is no better than M.S. You are a prime example, look how quickly you fought back and with hostility. Take a break calm down, you don't work for Apple and I'm pretty sure they don't cut you a monthly check for your posts. MSFT whore, what the hell is that? Look I use what puts food on my table and provides a job I could give two *****, both of the O.S.'s are **** and are chaulk full of problems. But, I can't create a better one so its what I use. You went very far out of your way to prove a big point... unfortunatly you cannot figure out what the point is.

Apple makes things easier for it's customers. Most computer users are not hardcore "power users." Modification is easy for those who want to and it's not hidden.

The guy who responded to you responded with hostility because you insulted nearly every member of this forum. Stating flat out that few of us know what the Terminal is is incredibly arrogant. He made a huge point which you still fail to see: there is no veracity in anything you have said thus far.

Also, what difference does it make that the iPod is locked to iTunes? Apple never billed it otherwise. Nearly all popular players are locked to a music program for syncing. For the record, other programs exist to transfer to and from iPods. Also, any non-DRM music in your iTunes library is freely transferable from your library to anywhere you want it to go.
 
Does anyone find it ironic that in an off handed promotional piece for their new distribution deal they could kill the device that they where hoping to go head to head against the iPod with?

Just read that blog posted by archer75 and look at the Zune faithful's reaction as well as one of the team members. This product would die a swift death if they even hint they are working on it.
 
Not arrogant, it is just amazing how Apple can **** twice as hard on its customers and they come right back screaming how MS is worse. I simply was saying Apple is no better than M.S. You are a prime example, look how quickly you fought back and with hostility. Take a break calm down, you don't work for Apple and I'm pretty sure they don't cut you a monthly check for your posts. MSFT whore, what the hell is that? Look I use what puts food on my table and provides a job I could give two *****, both of the O.S.'s are **** and are chaulk full of problems. But, I can't create a better one so its what I use. You went very far out of your way to prove a big point... unfortunatly you cannot figure out what the point is.
Actually, his response was far more mature and calm than this one. You really did make quite an arrogant and shortsighted statement, and if you can't admit it, well, that's your choice. As for Apple being worse, how? You've yet to provide any concrete evidence for Apple being more evil than Microsoft other than your opinion. Is Apple all flowers and lilies and give things away? No. But that hardly makes them worse than Microsoft.
 
Also, any non-DRM music in your iTunes library is freely transferable from your library to anywhere you want it to go.

Yeah, "freely transferable." But I very recently had an interesting experience with some Corinne Bailey Rae tracks that were non-DRM from iTunes. I dragged them along with some mp3s and some other iTunes Plus nonDRM tracks onto my Samsung Juke cellphone's music space (you can mount it USB with their stupid proprietary cable, reformat the space to Mac HFS+ and then drag the music on as if it were just a chip, so you don't have to buy a darn PC just to drag your music onto the thing).

Anyway those Rae tracks (EMI label) only played on my Juke for 31 seconds, as if they were iTunes previews, not regular AAC files. I found that extremely interesting. Extremely interesting. My powerbook. my iTunes purchases, nonprotected (supposedly). My cellphone. Only thing wouldn't play properly was that set of tracks. Everything else, mp3 or aac, including other iTunes plus tracks and emusic picks, played just fine.

I was some ticked off. So this morning I burned the tracks to a RW CD and re-imported them (in "do not replace" mode) and then dragged the resulting mp3s to the Juke's music folder and then archived them (for the next time I have some issue with EMI's version of nonDRM iTunes tracks) and then finally ditched them from my powerbook. All this while breakfast was cooking and it couldn't have taken that long since the toast didn't burn. Still, it ticked me off, bigtime.

Heretofore I have not been bothered by DRM issues but when something sez it's not DRM but acts like it is, well.. hmm.. I suppose EMI could say well it's a Samsung issue or a Vzn issue but then i will say yeah so how come that's the ONLY SET of tracks that didn't work.

But I still love my Juke. So spacesaving, like a nano 2nd gen, and very nice external speaker for the size. Plus, it's a phone! Still, I'm sort of expecting some issues in the future when I try to play my nonDRM tracks on a non-Apple device that I own, like this Juke. So I dunno about the "non" part of the nonDRM claim. Makes me think maybe I have to go back to CDs after all, which I don't want to do. Or else not spend the money on the higher bit rate and just burn all my itunes stuff to cds and reimport them immediately so I won't have a problem.
 
Wait wait wait...

This has to be BS somehow. Universal is making NBC TV shows available on at least UK iTunes, including Heroes Season 2 and House season 4. Can anyone explain that?!?!??! NBC...WTF??? Foreign audiences can buy programs you won't let US audiences buy? No way you can blame Apple for this now.
 
This has to be BS somehow. Universal is making NBC TV shows available on at least UK iTunes, including Heroes Season 2 and House season 4. Can anyone explain that?!?!??! NBC...WTF??? Foreign audiences can buy programs you won't let US audiences buy? No way you can blame Apple for this now.

For one thing, House is a Fox program. I can't explain heroes.
 
What depends on who has the distribution rights, not the broadcast rights (which is why they have to air before their on itunes). The show development arms are completely separate from the networks. Because of this you routinely have shows from NBC universal (like house) showing up on Fox, CBS, ABC, or the CW. The same is true for the production units from ABC, CBS, Fox, Warner, and Sony.
 
What depends on who has the distribution rights, not the broadcast rights (which is why they have to air before their on itunes). The show development arms are completely separate from the networks. Because of this you routinely have shows from NBC universal (like house) showing up on Fox, CBS, ABC, or the CW. The same is true for the production units from ABC, CBS, Fox, Warner, and Sony.

Interesting. I don't see why a show produced by NBC wouldn't be broadcast by NBC. If NBC produces House, let's say, then doesn't that mean that NBC produced House for Fox? How then does NBC have the rights to distribute the show? Or is it just that—the show is treated exactly like a product but by selling it to another network to broadcast they lose the right to broadcast it? It seems to me that the broadcast company would retain rights to the show as far as branding is concerned because they originally broadcast it, and have thus paid for it. But I guess it could work if it's treated entirely like a physical product.

I could be wrong about how that part works. I'm not much into network programming. I work in production as an animator and when someone buys work from our studio no one ever knows we did it, unless they work with us or are in the industry.

I guess I was incorrect. "My bad." Where can one look up what network produced a show? I didn't see that info listed on the IMDB when I looked for it yesterday.
 
I think the parent network has the right of first refusal. If they turn it down, they are free to shop it to other networks. Sometimes a gem slips through the cracks and ends up on another network.
 
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