"Firmware fixable problem" = we have no idea what's going on and where we screwed up, but here's a work-around routine that might very well fix it, we hope.
It's not a firmware _fix_, it's a firmware band-aid. Think "ThereIFixedIt.com"
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Apple Refutes Claim Regarding Halted Production of 27-Inch iMac Models
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"Firmware fixable problem" = we have no idea what's going on and where we screwed up, but here's a work-around routine that might very well fix it, we hope.
It's not a firmware _fix_, it's a firmware band-aid. Think "ThereIFixedIt.com"
Sounds like the latest firmware update addresses the flickering issue. Are there any reports on if the "yellow tint" is also a software issue that can be fixed via updates, or an actual problem with the displays themselves?
Trying to figure out if I should place my order, thanks in advance.
Trying to figure out if I should place my order, thanks in advance.
swingerofbirch
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I don't want to imply you don't know this, but because I used to work for the Apple Store online, I came across a lot of people who didn't understand how it worked. When they defer interest for 12 months, it means before that 12 months is up you have to pay the price in full to avoid paying interest. If you don't they retroactively charge interest going back to the purchase date. But I bet you're in good shape and know what you're doing, as most people who applied for the Apple-branded credit card or Bill Me Later were rejected (it actually gave me a sigh of relief when they were).
Indeed I do. I pre-set aside the amount in my savings account and then just send in 1/10th of the amount each month (thereby paying it off two months early to ensure it's covered). That way I earn the interest on the amount, and not the credit company.
Mercy. Youre the one spreading FUD by saying the problem is firmware-fixable. None of us know the size of the cause except for Apple. Please stop with your nonsense
Perfect example of why some of these survey results can be harmful
Taking a look at the iMac forums, it doesn't appear that the updates resolved issues.
uh... you see that 2nd definition up there... that actually has the world "DENY" in it?
that means they are SYNONYMS (they mean the same thing)
by your own definition... by "denying" it, apple HAS "refuted" it.
refute MEANS deny (at least sometimes... as you say right here)
they denied the stoppage. which means they refuted the stoppage.
synonyms are fun!
Refute includes 'deny' as its second definition. He denied an accusation. That's refuting, according to one of the acceptable definitions you yourself cited. (Also, as a linguist, I can assure you that language changes and no one can stop it, but it's not even necessary to talk about that in this case.
)But more on topic ... has Apple ever admitted to halting production due to some known flaw? It seems like it would be bad PR, so I doubt they would even if they did, but the decreased shipping time seems here to at least provide evidence that they did not.
I agree. "Apple people" wouldn't allow a PC manufacturer get away with this but give Apple a free pass.
Something happened
I ordered a 27in i7 iMac. It was on hold for 4 weeks before it was shipped after 2 weeks of the build time.
I ordered a 27in i7 iMac. It was on hold for 4 weeks before it was shipped after 2 weeks of the build time.
Order imac 27 Monday 1st. Feb with all the goods... happy time..then after i pulled the trigger for 4 large I see no ship to Feb 23...not happy time.. called and gave me 2 day ship...look at invoice i pays for dat 2 day ship..bad time!
Chubby Davis
Chubby DavisNo, actually it didn't - there are multiple posters both here and in the Apple discussion forums whose machines are still flickering after applying the new update.
I've read dozens/hundreds of posts saying the opposite, that either or both of the firmware updates DID fix the problem.
Perhaps those still complaining have a DIFFERENT problem altogether, one that requires AppleCare just as any other manufacturing problem outside the "firmware-fixable" curve...let's just not continue the ******** of saying that Apple has lower build quality standards simply because a few vocal users (out of millions) are facing issues; Olsen's Theorem is disturbing enough when we discuss economics.
Refute is appropriate given its definition is, to quote your own post, "to deny or contradict (a statement or accusation)." Various media outlets made a statement or "accusation" that Apple has halted production, a statement or accusation Apple has denied. Contextually, there's no difference between the two meanings. With that said, quit wasting our time with pseudo-professorial musings that disrupt the flow of the thread.
The fact that the problem is, for most people, very intermittent, indicates that applying the fix and then saying you're not getting flickering within a few hours afterward is not likely to be indicative either way of whether there is a fix. Lots of people said the PRAM reset fixed it for them too, followed by lots of people saying the first firmware update fixed it for them, and I'm sure each time you said, see, no problem, Apple fixed it, or see, maybe anyone who still has issues has a different problem, just like you are now.
I don't know who's complaining about Apple build quality other than to say they do not deserve to be known as any better than other PC manufacturers, which certainly seems justified here, but in any event, your bias in that regard is readily apparent when you describe the problem as "a few vocal users (out of millions)" - unless you work in Apple support, you have no idea how many users have the problem except that out of the tiny fraction of people who participate in online Mac user forums who would see where to take a survey and then bother to go do so, hundreds have logged these problems. Come on man - don't try to assert what you for some reason wish were the case to be fact. Since the problem is intermittent, and we know that it has recurred since installing the update for some people, based on evidence to date, it does not appear that Apple has fixed the problem. If you want to argue that they may have fixed one version of the problem for some undefined number of people, while others in fact have a different issue, knock yourself out - perhaps they did, and perhaps they didn't, but I haven't seen any credible evidence of that so far.
I received a notice this morning that my 27" i7 iMac has shipped, which is exactly one week after I ordered it and one week prior to the expected ship date, so hopefully LG is getting good panels to Apple earlier than expected.