Apple Registers New Macs and iPads in Eurasia Ahead of WWDC on June 5

[maflynn]

wouldn't you rather have a better keyboard?

That's the major issue for me, as the laptop will not only be used by myself but my kids for their homework and what not. My current laptops (2012 rMBP and SurfaceBook) have held up admirably to the work load, but seeing the number of threads about the keyboard failing has me spooked.

 

[samcan]

Siri will be updated with a software release. These are hardware changes.
Siri does need updating but this is not the right time nor the place for that (IMHO)

You're right... Siri should have been fixed 3 years ago. Google Assistant, Amazon Alexa, and even Microsoft Cortana have far surpassed Siri in both accuracy and functionality.

 

[rfrmac]

He has since made it clear that they'd be end of 2017, if not 2018 more likely.

Which continues to be absolutely ridiculous.

 

[KPOM]

Nonetheless, Macs are on their way out.

Other factors are likely at play. Apple has held the line on pricing, and focused more on the consumer market.
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Okay, so you prefer a thin laptop. I prefer the thicker one. HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc all provide both types of laptop, whether your company decides to buy one of the thin ones is not the issue, they do exist. Apple however, aren't pushing the industry, they are removing choices. Adding Thunderbolt 3 to a laptop that already had plenty of ports would be pushing the industry, as was their introduction of retina screens with hi-dpi scaling - Windows still hasn't caught up with this. Removing useful stuff on all models just because they want their products to look coo, yet you need a bunch of dongles to do what the previous laptop did, isn't pushing the industry, it's inconvenient. Apple need to start producing more choice in their hardware lineup. Yes you can still have your thin one, but many others would prefer the thicker one. Choices. Apple just don't provide any.
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Loads - pretty much every laptop from Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. They all have a similar foot print and weight, they are just slightly thicker, and this is the point. Apple only make thin laptops. they need to make products that are slightly thicker too so they can have all the ports internal. I get that YOU won't this product, you want the thin one. The competition make both thin laptops and thicker ones to cater for different needs. Apple don't do this. It's this lack of choice that is frustrating. For Apple's designers to assume everyone wants a thin laptop rather than a functional one is very naïve - they could ask their own developers what hardware they would like and come up with a better laptop than the current rMBP.

I get that Apple like to innovate with new products and I appreciate that - they have brought out some cool stuff. But I also have a need to get a job done and when the equipment gets in the way of that then you have to question it. It's like comparing Redhat Enterprise Linux with Fedora. Fedora has all the new stuff, but I wouldn't want it running on my servers, I'd rather see technologies filter down gradually like they do from Fedora to Redhat, and some technologies just aren't suitable to a business environment - glossy screens in a room with overhead florescent lighting anyone, or would you prefer a nice matte screen. Or how about that keyboard on the new rMBP with virtually no key travel compared to the keyboard on a ThinkPad? I'll take the ThinkPad keyboard any day.

Adding TB3 alongside other ports won't spur adoption as much as replacing the ports altogether. HP and ASUS have specific models that are USB-C/TB3-only but they haven't positioned them as mainstream devices. It would be good for the industry if they did. USB-C is superior technology and it would be good to see more native support.

The problem with too much legacy support is that it slows progress. It is silly that in 2017 we still see the 30-year old VGA port on new laptops, but because it's been there for so long there are lots of projectors, monitors, etc out there. With concerted effort, it didn't take long for USB-A to supplant the PS/2, serial, parallel, and ADB ports. It's time for that again with USB-C.

 

[Jimmdean]

I know it's just a speculation article, but I'm still surprised they tied this regulatory filing to existing laptop rumors when it is extremely clear they are not laptop part numbers. These filings only mean updated desktops are on the horizon - not necessarily at WWDC though. Macbooks shouldn't even be mentioned in the article - there's no connection.

 

[CWallace]

I know it's just a speculation article, but I'm still surprised they tied this regulatory filing to existing laptop rumors when it is extremely clear they are not laptop part numbers. These filings only mean updated desktops are on the horizon - not necessarily at WWDC though. Macbooks shouldn't even be mentioned in the article - there's no connection.

Simplest answer is that the editorial team didn't research the part numbers before they posted the article. They saw five Mac numbers listed and with analysts saying that Apple will be updating five Mac portables at WWDC, they assumed the model numbers correlated to these new portables.

 

[Trebuin]

Simplest answer is that the editorial team didn't research the part numbers before they posted the article. They saw five Mac numbers listed and with analysts saying that Apple will be updating five Mac portables at WWDC, they assumed the model numbers correlated to these new portables.

I totally agree, but maybe they were going with dramatization to attract the news. But I guess if they were doing that, they could have pointed out that Apple is bringing back the old tower mac pros. That's probably the number 1 reason this is likely just Apple registering past macs in a database system...that & none of them are any form of macbook. Oh well, here's hoping that desktops are updated!

 

[seanjs]

Maybe we'll get a 17" MacBook Pro.

 

[anthony11]

Let's hope they make a proper laptop this time rather than an expensive netbook. One with decent key travel, actual proper function keys rather than that useless bar, storage and RAM options to match other high-end laptops (Dell Precision and Lenovo P), and a move away from soldered on parts - let us upgrade the RAM and storage ourselves if we want to. I'm not bothered if the laptop is thicker, because the completion is thicker but is more capable. I want a machine I can work on all day not one for writing a fashion bog in Starbucks.

Not going happen. They aren't going to make it heavier and twice the volume. RAM and storage upgradability isn't nearly as important as it used to be.
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Hoping for there is "One More Thing":

- no touch bar
- USB ports
- Card reader
- price drop

Basically bring back the previous model, upgrade it, and sell it at a killer price.
That would be an instant get for me.

I'm indifferent to the touch bar and a reader for a toy card format I don't use. By USB ports I suspect you mean USB-A. "The company does not admit its mistakes". I'd be happy if the stability problems they haven't admitted get improved, an incremental ratchet of RAM/storage at a given pricepoint, and especially a return of magsafe. I can understand (if not approve) everything they did with the 2016's except for that.

The pricing is not a trivial thing, my former multinational employer as of when I left in early March was still on pause because of the increased pricing -- they were trying to sort out fewer/cheaper dongles, etc. to get a pricepoint that management would approve. In the meantime they were sticking with the 2015 models.

 

[shaunp]

Not going happen. They aren't going to make it heavier and twice the volume. RAM and storage upgradability isn't nearly as important as it used to be.

That's the thing that's putting buyers like me off. I liked the old MBP from around 2011. It had a good keyboard and a reasonable number of ports. Cooling was crap, but they could have solved that. Thing is it wasn't noticeably heavier than the rMBP that followed it and certainly not twice the volume - a matter of millimetres thicker. It also had a matte screen.
Since then MBP's have gotten thinner and lighter where they really didn't need to. The current MBP I see as a product that should sit between the Air and a real MBP. It's simply too thin to have decent connectivity without a load of adaptors, nor does it have a high enough RAM capacity because they've made it too small.

RAM and storage upgradeability may not be as important as it used to be, but Apple charge way too much for their RAM and storage options. I'd like to be able to upgrade later not buy what I need in 2 or 3 years time now. Every other manufacturer allows for their machines to be user upgradable. I really don't see why Apple can't do this on one of their product lines. Just one product line aimed at people who use our laptops for more than email and word processing. I get that I'm in a minority and everyone else wants something thin and light that is just an appliance, but there are plenty others like me who want something different.

 

[MellowFuzz]

does anyone remember when Apple used to make "the fastest laptop"??

Yes. That's when I was last enthusiastic about buying an Apple computer. Now, I won't touch one with a bargepole and I'm looking at which PC to buy.

 

[richinaus]

That's the thing that's putting buyers like me off. I liked the old MBP from around 2011. It had a good keyboard and a reasonable number of ports. Cooling was crap, but they could have solved that. Thing is it wasn't noticeably heavier than the rMBP that followed it and certainly not twice the volume - a matter of millimetres thicker. It also had a matte screen.
Since then MBP's have gotten thinner and lighter where they really didn't need to. The current MBP I see as a product that should sit between the Air and a real MBP. It's simply too thin to have decent connectivity without a load of adaptors, nor does it have a high enough RAM capacity because they've made it too small.

RAM and storage upgradeability may not be as important as it used to be, but Apple charge way too much for their RAM and storage options. I'd like to be able to upgrade later not buy what I need in 2 or 3 years time now. Every other manufacturer allows for their machines to be user upgradable. I really don't see why Apple can't do this on one of their product lines. Just one product line aimed at people who use our laptops for more than email and word processing. I get that I'm in a minority and everyone else wants something thin and light that is just an appliance, but there are plenty others like me who want something different.

I have used them all since 2000 and always prefer the latest model. I do need power and portability and think the current machines are a good balance. There are no other laptops I would buy in comparison to a MBP - not one [and this is after a lot of time considering dumping Apple]. It is the desktops I am most disappointed about, the laptops are solid. I have never needed to upgrade a laptop in the last 5 years btw. Maybe review your upgrade cycle?

 

[jwdsail]

That's the thing that's putting buyers like me off. I liked the old MBP from around 2011. It had a good keyboard and a reasonable number of ports. Cooling was crap, but they could have solved that. Thing is it wasn't noticeably heavier than the rMBP that followed it and certainly not twice the volume - a matter of millimetres thicker. It also had a matte screen.
Since then MBP's have gotten thinner and lighter where they really didn't need to. The current MBP I see as a product that should sit between the Air and a real MBP. It's simply too thin to have decent connectivity without a load of adaptors, nor does it have a high enough RAM capacity because they've made it too small.

RAM and storage upgradeability may not be as important as it used to be, but Apple charge way too much for their RAM and storage options. I'd like to be able to upgrade later not buy what I need in 2 or 3 years time now. Every other manufacturer allows for their machines to be user upgradable. I really don't see why Apple can't do this on one of their product lines. Just one product line aimed at people who use our laptops for more than email and word processing. I get that I'm in a minority and everyone else wants something thin and light that is just an appliance, but there are plenty others like me who want something different.

The keyboard and upgradeable ram/storage are huge deals for me.

The MacBook/MBP keyboards currently shipped should be considered OSHA violations.. worst POS I've ever had the displeasure to have to use while helping clients. I wouldn't pay $3000+ for one myself if you had two shotguns aimed at my crotch!

Ram is less of a big deal for me specifically I'll always go max ram, and if BTO option is the only option, I can eat that, but a huge deal to many of my customers that can't afford a maxed out MBP at time of purchase but would like the option to upgrade in the future...

Lack of storage upgradability is stupid in a time where 4K HDR video is becoming more and more common, and will become standard before the end of the decade.

If Apple doesn't offer upgradable ram and storage in the next update, not really sure what I'll do. My 2012 non-retina MBP is ready to die... Hard to justify paying $3000+ on a MBP on the worst KB I've ever seen in a laptop with non-upgradable ram and storage.

 

[CWallace]

If Apple doesn't offer (user) upgradable ram and storage in the next update, not really sure what I'll do.

That is a given that it won't happen. Otherwise we'd have seen new case leaks with panels on the bottom.

I also don't believe we're going to see a 32GB option as that would require a new motherboard that can take DDR4 LV RAM. If we do, it would probably be the 15" only since it has the larger battery and DGPU so the battery life hit 32GB of that RAM would impose would be somewhat masked as well as such users would probably be running their machines on shore power anyway.

 

[mnstruk]

Waiting so long for an updated MBP last year. Spent £2.9K on that which turns out to be the most overpriced under spec device I've ever bought and didn't warrant an update from my reliable 2009 17" MBP. Now they update within months to what the original should have been.

Have Apple not just admitted they produced a device that was not ready for market? Come on Chromebook, please get a pro version ready for my next upgrade because I am over Apple as is our Agency with 28 Mac's.

Apple last refreshed the MacBook Pro in October 2016, after the notebook went 527 days without being updated. In contrast, only 220 days will have passed if Apple launches new MacBook Pro models on June 5, which is below the average timeframe of 320 days between any two MacBook Pro generations.
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[CWallace]

Now they update within months to what the original should have been.

Kaby Lake wasn't available both when Apple was designing the MacBook Pro and when they shipped it. So they could have just waited another 9 months before they announced and shipped, I guess, but then this forum would have been losing it's **** even more.

Come on Chromebook, please get a pro version ready for my next upgrade because I am over Apple as is our Agency with 28 Mac's.

Yeah, like that is going to happen. Chromebooks are designed to be "cheap and cheerful" with all the limitations and drawbacks those words always bring with them.

 

[Bart H]

Just five days ahead of Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, where it is widely expected to announce new Macs, French website Consomac has discovered a new Russian-language regulatory filing, in the Eurasian Economic Commission database, that points towards at least five new models running macOS Sierra launching soon.

The five new Macs, identified only with the model numbers A1289, A1347, A1418, A1419, and A1481, are likely to be new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pros alongside a new 12-inch MacBook, with the outside chance of a new upgraded MacBook Air also in the frame. At the same time, it's worth noting that these numbers differ from the AXX prefixes attributed to current MacBook models, so nothing is completely certain until Apple makes its announcements.

As well as spare parts for the Macs, the discovered numbers also include a possible new wireless keyboard (model A1843) and four numbers classified under iOS 10 (A1671, A1709, A1670, and A1701), pointing to the possible launch of a rumored new iPad Pro model.

Eurasian Economic Commission regulatory filings in English via Google Translate​

Earlier this week on Memorial Day, MacRumors reported that MacBook Pro orders placed on Monday on Apple's online store had estimated deliveries of between June 6-8 in the United States, suggesting Apple was in the process of restocking ahead of WWDC, when the new Macs are expected to be announced. The notebooks are expected to thought to be receiving internal improvements only, including an upgrade to Intel's faster Kaby Lake processors.

Apple last refreshed the MacBook Pro in October 2016, after the notebook went 527 days without being updated. In contrast, only 220 days will have passed if Apple launches new MacBook Pro models on June 5, which is below the average timeframe of 320 days between any two MacBook Pro generations.

The new notebooks are likely to be announced at Apple's June 5 WWDC keynote, which is set to kick off at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time. Rumors also suggest Apple could use the event to introduce a new Siri smart speaker.

The EEC filing, published today, satisfies Russia's requirement for companies to register all products containing encryption and/or cryptographic tools.

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[doublepost=1496426907][/doublepost]Good grief, the world is awash in Apple laptops. What about the iMacs??

 

[Niklas_nick]

I hope that Apple some day closes the circle and makes iPhone, MacBooks and Magic Trackpad compatible with Apple Pencil or a second-gen Apple Pencil that works with those devices. They released their hated stylus, so why not include it in the full lineup? I could well use the pencil on my mac for annotations or signatures and for drawings on my phone.
Also, I would like some better thermal management for MacBooks. MBPS get unbearably hot after some time. In German, they are called "Laptops" as in you could place them on your lap while on the go or on your couch, but they get too hot that.

 

[MacsAre1]

The five new Macs, identified only with the model numbers A1289, A1347, A1418, A1419, and A1481, are likely to be new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pros alongside a new 12-inch MacBook, with the outside chance of a new upgraded MacBook Air also in the frame. At the same time, it's worth noting that these numbers differ from the AXX prefixes attributed to current MacBook models, so nothing is completely certain until Apple makes its announcements.

Whoa, I think MacRumors just got corrected by Forbes. Those are definitely NOT Macbook part numbers. Forbes points out what they are. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2017/06/01/new-mac-macbook-pro-wwdc-2017/#2a20352b1ae3

I verified this list with EveryMac.

A1289: Mac Pro tower
A1347: Mac Mini
A1418: iMac 21.5"
A1419: iMac 27"
A1481: Mac Pro trash can

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Again MR readers set themselves up for disappointment with lofty (by TC Apple Standards) expectations. Do like me and enjoy a few Jack on the rocks before and during the presentation and you won't feel a bit a pain.

What are you talking about?

(Me in Tim Cook's voice)
"I'm excited to see the newest and most powerful ever Macbook Pro's that we've ever produced. These new computers are 4,000 times faster than the original Macbook Pro, and have over 100,000 times the storage capacity at the top end. (100MB to 1TB will do that). These new fantastic machines will help millions with their fastest ever processor in a Mac, and with the new Operating System, macOS Cuyamaca, will astound us all with its simplicity and sheer power."

I think my Keynote BINGO card will be pretty easy this year.

(Yeah, this was all in jest. I'm with you, except I'll have a virgin Rum and Diet Coke.)

 

[Gameboy70]

I'd go one step further and say I wish Apple had a CTO option to "delete camera." I don't use the camera myself and see it more as a security issue than anything else. I don't go crazy over it and tape it up but I still wonder from time to time given all the crazy spyware stories.

I'd just like to see Apple switch to lenses with electronic blackout glass (electrochromic glass) where it's visually obvious when the camera is disabled.

 

[justperry]

I'd go one step further and say I wish Apple had a CTO option to "delete camera." I don't use the camera myself and see it more as a security issue than anything else. I don't go crazy over it and tape it up but I still wonder from time to time given all the crazy spyware stories.

I'd just like to see Apple switch to lenses with electronic blackout glass (electrochromic glass) where it's visually obvious when the camera is disabled.

It's fairly easy to disable the camera, just move the /System/Library/Extensions/Apple_iSight.kext to another place, restart.
(Need SIP to set to disabled.)

Or you could use the terminal and use sudo Kextunload /System/Library/Extensions/Apple_iSight.kext to disable the camera.

 

[4nNtt]

The point is you shouldn't need adaptors on a business-class laptop. Period. They break, get lost, etc, etc. it's just one more thing to go wrong and it's inexcusable that a premium product should be without what many consider to be a basic requirement.

Here's the annoying thing. If you look at the side of the last generation rMBP (I've not checked this on the new one), and look at the thickness of the entire machine, not just the edge where the sides taper up. It's thick enough for an Ethernet port. The sides are tapered up for two reasons, firstly to help you pick it up, and secondly(and more importantly for Apple's design language) to make the product look thinner than it actually is. they would only need to add 2-3mm to the thickness to put the port back. That's it. And with that bit of extra space you could add more batter capacity too.

It is better just to keep that dongle attached to your ethernet cable. Those RJ45 connectors were never designed for the constant unplug/replug that you would do with a mobile device. Removing RJ45 from the MacPro or Mac Mini would be more controversial.

 

[shaunp]

It is better just to keep that dongle attached to your ethernet cable. Those RJ45 connectors were never designed for the constant unplug/replug that you would do with a mobile device. Removing RJ45 from the MacPro or Mac Mini would be more controversial.

And when you move desk to desk in different buildings? Or when you move between data centres. Don't say Wifi. It isn't always available, and it's never available in a DC, especially greenfield sites. Dongles just don't work, and if I sat at the same desk every day, I'd just ask for a desktop.

 

[saile]

Apple is facing a very big problem with Mac stagnation: a recent Zdnet article fairly explained that due to Apple's negligence, the Mac had become hasbeen and that MS had recovered the image Of innovation on PC ... Apple must therefore mark strongly the return of the Mac .... Apple needs to put forward its production machines and come back in the race...


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