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The point is you shouldn't need adaptors on a business-class laptop. Period. They break, get lost, etc, etc. it's just one more thing to go wrong and it's inexcusable that a premium product should be without what many consider to be a basic requirement.

Here's the annoying thing. If you look at the side of the last generation rMBP (I've not checked this on the new one), and look at the thickness of the entire machine, not just the edge where the sides taper up. It's thick enough for an Ethernet port. The sides are tapered up for two reasons, firstly to help you pick it up, and secondly(and more importantly for Apple's design language) to make the product look thinner than it actually is. they would only need to add 2-3mm to the thickness to put the port back. That's it. And with that bit of extra space you could add more batter capacity too.
I disagree. I don't like my port-laden HP "business" notebook and would prefer one of their thinner designs with an adapter. Apple has long been one to push the latest new standards (e.g. USB-A back in 1998) and I'm not surprised they dropped legacy ports. They are clearly trying to push the industry and are uniquely positioned to do so.
 
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Are we likely to hear any more rumors or updates BEFORE June 5th? Any indication it could be more than just a spec bump in processor? We haven't heard any rumors about the battery, would Apple really spec up to Kaby Lake and then leave in the old battery?
 
STILL no sign of new desktops??? :mad:

“Some folks in the media have raised the question about whether we’re committed to desktops,” “If there’s any doubt about that with our teams, let me be very clear: we have great desktops in our roadmap. Nobody should worry about that.”
Tim Cook, December 2016

Exactly! Here we are, almost mid 2017, and no rumors whatsoever that the so-called iMac pro will - if nothing else - at least be mentioned at wwdc.

They're talking about things that won't be released until the fall, but still ... no desktop discussion?
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I pray that this is a nice update. We're halfway through the year and haven't seen much from Apple.

If I may - we haven't seen much from apple, with regards to computers (laptops, desktops) in about 4 years now.
 
"The five new Macs, identified only with the model numbers A1289, A1347, A1418, A1419, and A1481..."

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but those model identifiers are as follows:
A1289: Mac Pro (mid-2010 to mid-2012)
A1347: Mac mini (mid-2010 to late 2014)
A1418: iMac 21.5" (late 2012 to late 2015)
A1419: iMac 27" (late 2012 to late 2015)
A1481: Mac Pro (late 2013).
 
I hope new Macs will be updated with the new KabyLake processor, LPDDR4 and bluetooth 5. But the LPDDR5 seem not to be possible in this update, so sad :(.
 
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I don't look forward to fielding questions from my friend who proudly showed me the 13" he just bought a couple of weeks ago.
 
STILL no sign of new desktops??? :mad:

“Some folks in the media have raised the question about whether we’re committed to desktops,” “If there’s any doubt about that with our teams, let me be very clear: we have great desktops in our roadmap. Nobody should worry about that.”
Tim Cook, December 2016
Really no excuse for the lack of a Mac mini update at WWDC.
 
I don't look forward to fielding questions from my friend who proudly showed me the 13" he just bought a couple of weeks ago.
The CPU speed improvements are pretty negligible.
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Are we likely to hear any more rumors or updates BEFORE June 5th? Any indication it could be more than just a spec bump in processor? We haven't heard any rumors about the battery, would Apple really spec up to Kaby Lake and then leave in the old battery?
My guess they may have improved the battery but we're talking maybe a 10% improvement in capacity plus the efficiency improvements in Kaby Lake. Nice but not earth-shattering.
 
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STILL no sign of new desktops??? :mad:

“Some folks in the media have raised the question about whether we’re committed to desktops,” “If there’s any doubt about that with our teams, let me be very clear: we have great desktops in our roadmap. Nobody should worry about that.”
Tim Cook, December 2016

Yeah, I just couldn't wait any longer for an update. I ended up building a great Windows desktop that destroys the iMac in terms of performance and at the same, if not lower, cost. Apple needs to get its act together. Some of us depend on having a fast desktop computer.
 
Stop the presses!
I think I know why everything's gotten so thin, light, and dainty: There is no affordable furniture that will support the weight of a workstation. I call it the IKEA effect.
 
The point is you shouldn't need adaptors on a business-class laptop. Period. They break, get lost, etc, etc. it's just one more thing to go wrong and it's inexcusable that a premium product should be without what many consider to be a basic requirement.

Here's the annoying thing. If you look at the side of the last generation rMBP (I've not checked this on the new one), and look at the thickness of the entire machine, not just the edge where the sides taper up. It's thick enough for an Ethernet port. The sides are tapered up for two reasons, firstly to help you pick it up, and secondly(and more importantly for Apple's design language) to make the product look thinner than it actually is. they would only need to add 2-3mm to the thickness to put the port back. That's it. And with that bit of extra space you could add more batter capacity too.

Just how many 2016/2017 business laptop come with an Ethernet port (that have a similar size with the current MacBook Pros)?
 
This will be disappointing for many, if they update only the processors to Kabylake

I will bet that is exactly what is going to happen. Maybe a bigger standard hard drive or memory, but I don't have high hopes for anything really unexpected.

Funny the energy of the presenters of recent keynotes has been way higher than the audience response. Seems a bit off.
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Really no excuse for the lack of a Mac mini update at WWDC.

I recently bought one with the 30 day return period ending just a few days after the keynote. This is a make or break moment for me. The Mini I bought "new" was a huge disappointment. I will either return it for a "new mini" and stay with Apple, or buy a new PC desktop. We shall see.
 
I don't know if anyone noticed, but A1418 & A1419 are numbers that have been reused with a certain system upgrade that does not include anything that was listed in the article. The good news is that they're tied to the 21.5 & 27" iMacs that are way behind on updates...
 
First off, I'm talking about a physical network connection to ethernet, whether its an ethernet port or via dongle->ethernet is irrelevant - I've mentioned this fact multiple times in this forum thread.

Why shouldn't I defend a wired network connection? Its faster, more stable and secure. Over all better performance than wifi.

At home, I use both wifi and ethernet. I'll plug in an ethernet cable into my personal MacBook Pro if I'm transferring a load of data because its going to be significantly faster. My desktop is always plugged in to ethernet.

You can talk until your blue in the face about how ethernet - or even the Ethernet Port is dead -> it is not. Very much alive. Regarding the actual port: There are many more laptops out there with ethernet ports than Apple machines... You seem to be living in an Apple silo, which isn't the real world.

At work, Wifi is just too slow for data transfer ( for one reason ).
I was only talking about the port. Nothing else. :)
 
Ok, so I looked these up & they already belong to models that exist. Apple ties these to the shells, but not the internals so the internals can be upgraded. Here is exactly what Apple registered:

A1289 Traditional Tower Mac Pro
A1347 Mac Mini
A1418 21.5” iMac
A1419 27” iMac
A1481 Trashcan Mac Pro
 
What i wish:

- Better thermal management, not more than 55° C during intense usage, and no fan noise no matter ****ing what, noise is cancer

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan

- Vulkan
 
I disagree. I don't like my port-laden HP "business" notebook and would prefer one of their thinner designs with an adapter. Apple has long been one to push the latest new standards (e.g. USB-A back in 1998) and I'm not surprised they dropped legacy ports. They are clearly trying to push the industry and are uniquely positioned to do so.

Okay, so you prefer a thin laptop. I prefer the thicker one. HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc all provide both types of laptop, whether your company decides to buy one of the thin ones is not the issue, they do exist. Apple however, aren't pushing the industry, they are removing choices. Adding Thunderbolt 3 to a laptop that already had plenty of ports would be pushing the industry, as was their introduction of retina screens with hi-dpi scaling - Windows still hasn't caught up with this. Removing useful stuff on all models just because they want their products to look coo, yet you need a bunch of dongles to do what the previous laptop did, isn't pushing the industry, it's inconvenient. Apple need to start producing more choice in their hardware lineup. Yes you can still have your thin one, but many others would prefer the thicker one. Choices. Apple just don't provide any.
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Just how many 2016/2017 business laptop come with an Ethernet port (that have a similar size with the current MacBook Pros)?

Loads - pretty much every laptop from Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. They all have a similar foot print and weight, they are just slightly thicker, and this is the point. Apple only make thin laptops. they need to make products that are slightly thicker too so they can have all the ports internal. I get that YOU won't this product, you want the thin one. The competition make both thin laptops and thicker ones to cater for different needs. Apple don't do this. It's this lack of choice that is frustrating. For Apple's designers to assume everyone wants a thin laptop rather than a functional one is very naïve - they could ask their own developers what hardware they would like and come up with a better laptop than the current rMBP.

I get that Apple like to innovate with new products and I appreciate that - they have brought out some cool stuff. But I also have a need to get a job done and when the equipment gets in the way of that then you have to question it. It's like comparing Redhat Enterprise Linux with Fedora. Fedora has all the new stuff, but I wouldn't want it running on my servers, I'd rather see technologies filter down gradually like they do from Fedora to Redhat, and some technologies just aren't suitable to a business environment - glossy screens in a room with overhead florescent lighting anyone, or would you prefer a nice matte screen. Or how about that keyboard on the new rMBP with virtually no key travel compared to the keyboard on a ThinkPad? I'll take the ThinkPad keyboard any day.
 
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Ok, so I looked these up & they already belong to models that exist. Apple ties these to the shells, but not the internals so the internals can be upgraded. Here is exactly what Apple registered:

A1289 Traditional Tower Mac Pro
A1347 Mac Mini
A1418 21.5” iMac
A1419 27” iMac
A1481 Trashcan Mac Pro

Yeah, I would like to see the Mac mini updated to Kaby Lake or atleast Skylake ...
 
You know... I don't think I've ever disagree w/ any of your comments on MR & this is no different. I just wanted to tell you this a while ago.

Can I ask for Jack & Coke along w/ the Rocks?


Well they say great minds think alike. Ha ha. Good to know my thinking is aligned with someone here on MR. As for your drink preference, not for me to judge -- unless it's Pepsi. Whatever gets you through the keynote. Bar is fully stocked.
 
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