Apple Reinstating Employee Mask Mandate at Approximately 100 U.S. Retail Stores

[tridley68]

Thanks Apple will be doing my shopping online or in stores that don't require the foolish mask mandate

 

[BellSystem]

Not a lot of questions. Like, why did Pfizer go to court to have the test data buried for 75 years? What was in the 80,000 page drop that was released last week? If the Vaccine works, why do you need a mask? If the vaccine works, and we have natural immunity, how does wearing a mask that is not rated for smoke, dust, or spray painting, protect you from a virus?

If you can smell food, flowers, coffee, cologne or anything else through your mask - the mask isn't stopping a virus.

They wanted to bury the data on side effects like the torturous tinnitus that it gave me a few days after the second shot. It’s been a year and I haven’t heard silence since. We need new laws for this stuff that forces them to disclose ALL side effects and the percentages seen. I am not going anywhere near a booster shot that is for sure. Rushed drugs and ignored clinical results. “It’s perfectly safe”….until it isn’t.

 

[ceriess]

That's not true. Read the article.

The disinformation coming out of these people shows how uneducated and gullible they are. They don’t need to read the article when all of the “truth” is in the comment section. Disgusting.

 

[wigby]

How about that in person WWDC they have upcoming?

(still can't believe they thought that was worth it, even at a reduced size)

If they’ll be demonstrating AR/VR glasses or goggles, I think anyone attending will think it’s well worth it.

 

[ceriess]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424441807056752640

Posting a graphic you found on twitter. That’s about what I expected. Your kind sure play to type.

 

[wigby]

Masks help keep you from spreading it to others, not prevent you from catching it. And anything to reduce spreading is good because you don't want to keep bogging down hospitals with rising cases. There are only so many doctors working, after all, and there was tons of burnout and quitting during the really bad months.

Wearing masks can also decrease the viral load you receive by about half so it is a factor, especially for immunocompromised individuals.

 

[BruiserBear]

lol, did you even read what I said. I said it does little to nothing. At best it prevents spittle. This other CDC article even has charts to illustrate that.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

It reduces the chances of your breathe spreading out into the air more than it already does. Therefore my assertion that it does nothing to prevent airborne pathogen from infecting you is correct. It will not prevent you from getting covid. Period. Masks will do very little to mitigate the spread. ANd the inconsistent data from state to state that had variations of mask mandates with widely different infection rates bears that out as well. The mask by themselves provide little if any protection. And that the larger picture is more complicated in determining the infection rate. Mandating masks that the CDC in prior articles stated as such to be ineffective at preventing air borne pathogen until political motivations changed that narrative.

I read exactly what you said, and I’m going to quote it for you right here.

”Mask prevent nothing. Just limits spittle from coming out your mouth. N95 reduces further. BUt this notion that you're protect from any airborne pathogen from a mask is ridiculous and the CDC has even shown this.”


You made two claims in that statement. 1) Masks prevent nothing. 2) Protection from any airborne pathogen from a mask is ridiculous and even the CDC has shown this.

Nothing in the articles you posted says what you have said.

The article does not say masks prevent nothing. It actually suggests that medical personnel should have the best masks.

“Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, who should as a priority be provided proper respiratory protection.”

It does not say masks prevent nothing, it encourages the use of any mask, while saying that cloth masks are inferior, but can be made better through better materials, etc.

“The filtration, effectiveness, fit, and performance of cloth masks are inferior to those of medical masks and respirators.”

“Protection provided by cloth masks may be improved by selecting appropriate material, increasing the number of mask layers, and using those with a design that provides filtration and fit. Cloth masks should be washed daily and after high-exposure use by using soap and water or other appropriate methods.”


Now you’ve posting a second article from the CDC, suggesting it somehow backs the things you’re saying, when it does nothing of the sort.

From the link you just provided.

”Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result”

Again, your claim that “masks do nothing” is literally blown up from the very article you posted.

One more quote from the second CDC link you provided.

“In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection.”

Once again, the very link you provided directly contradicting the things you said. Masks do reduce your chances of getting Covid 19. We are done here.

 

[wigby]

I am definitely not one of those people but... shouldn't deaths and hospitalizations be the thing we base this stuff off of? Because COVID is staying here forever, and we can't keep masking forever. So it seems more logical to look for signs that the virus has mutated down, and/or our immune systems can handle it instead of just case counts... which mean very little outside of just how much it's out there at any given time.

Higher Infection rates lead to many second hand effects including clogging up hospitals and creating more transmissable and possibly deadlier variants. There is no single way to eradicate this virus so we are using a multifaceted approach to keep it at bay.

 

[wigby]

The masks some Apple employees wear are not to protect themselves, it’s to protect their coworkers & customers from themselves. Wearing a mask doesn’t protect a person from getting COVID, but it’s effective at reducing the spread from the person wearing it.

It’s been proven that wearing a mask can reduce the viral load received substantially. That might not matter to a healthy individual much, but it could be the difference between life and death for an immunocompromised individual.

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

I read exactly what you said, and I’m going to quote it for you right here.

”Mask prevent nothing. Just limits spittle from coming out your mouth. N95 reduces further. BUt this notion that you're protect from any airborne pathogen from a mask is ridiculous and the CDC has even shown this.”


You made two claims in that statement. 1) Masks prevent nothing. 2) Protection from any airborne pathogen from a mask is ridiculous and even the CDC has shown this.

Nothing in the articles you posted says what you have said.

The article does not say masks prevent nothing. It actually suggests that medical personnel should have the best masks.

“Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, who should as a priority be provided proper respiratory protection.”

It does not say masks prevent nothing, it encourages the use of any mask, while saying that cloth masks are inferior, but can be made better through better materials, etc.

“The filtration, effectiveness, fit, and performance of cloth masks are inferior to those of medical masks and respirators.”

“Protection provided by cloth masks may be improved by selecting appropriate material, increasing the number of mask layers, and using those with a design that provides filtration and fit. Cloth masks should be washed daily and after high-exposure use by using soap and water or other appropriate methods.”


Now you’ve posting a second article from the CDC, suggesting it somehow backs the things you’re saying, when it does nothing of the sort.

From the link you just provided.

”Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result”

Again, your claim that “masks do nothing” is literally blown up from the very article you posted.

One more quote from the second CDC link you provided.

“In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection.”

Once again, the very link you provided directly contradicting the things you said. Masks do reduce your chances of getting Covid 19. We are done here.

lol everything you quoted backs absolutely nothing up regarding your assertion. It literally says it prevents nothing. It only reduces if that. You're are dense af.

 

[MorganB]

lol, did you even read what I said. I said it does little to nothing. At best it prevents spittle. This other CDC article even has charts to illustrate that.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

It reduces the chances of your breathe spreading out into the air more than it already does. Therefore my assertion that it does nothing to prevent airborne pathogen from infecting you is correct. It will not prevent you from getting covid. Period. Masks will do very little to mitigate the spread. ANd the inconsistent data from state to state that had variations of mask mandates with widely different infection rates bears that out as well. The mask by themselves provide little if any protection. And that the larger picture is more complicated in determining the infection rate. Mandating masks that the CDC in prior articles stated as such to be ineffective at preventing air borne pathogen until political motivations changed that narrative.

Did you read the link you just posted?

"During February–December 2021, using a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of acquiring SARS-CoV-2 infection, with protection being highest among those who reported wearing a face mask or respirator all of the time."

Well fitting surgical masks and N95s work. It's limiting inhalation of an airborne virus. Seems straightforward to me.

 

[wigby]

No. “Fact checkers” have a predetermined conclusion and then cherry pick ”evidence” to justify it. The FDA’s top 2 vaccine researchers resigned last year out of protest at the way the FDA just rubber stamped the third doses.

What does fact checking have to do with vaccine researchers resigning? Sounds like you’ve predetermined your response too.

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

Did you read the link you just posted?

"During February–December 2021, using a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of acquiring SARS-CoV-2 infection, with protection being highest among those who reported wearing a face mask or respirator all of the time."

Well fitting surgical masks and N95s work. It's limiting inhalation of an airborne virus. Seems straightforward to me.

Did you? Are you all really that dense and entrenched in the mask narrative. You understand the difference between reduce and prevent? Which I ve been asserting from the beginning that masks do not prevent infection.

 

[Ram65]

Just shop online no need to go to the apple store

 

[BruiserBear]

Did you? Are you all really that dense and entrenched in the mask narrative. You understand the difference between reduce and prevent? Which I ve been asserting from the beginning that masks do not prevent infection.

Very few things in this world prevent anything 100%. Since when has that been a metric used to determine whether something is useful or not? Many of the things we use every day do not guarantee us absolute safety. They minimize risk. You wear seatbelt in a car, right? It doesn’t assure you cannot die in a car accident, but it definitely reduces the chances of it.

 

[MorganB]

Did you? Are you all really that dense and entrenched in the mask narrative. You understand the difference between reduce and prevent? Which I ve been asserting from the beginning that masks do not prevent infection.

If I jump off a cliff I might live. Therefore jumping off a cliff does not cause death. Thats your assertion. Understood.

 

[Scoob Redux]

This really highlights the fallacy of mask mandates in general. Somehow, the population has bought into the idea of some entity (government or corporation) deciding how we should best protect ourselves from risk. In the case of government, the only real (Constitutional) authority is to protect the COMMON good. i.e. - if hospitals are bursting at the seams, there aren't enough healthy doctors and nurses, ICUs and ventilators are in short supply, and the entire economy is grinding to a halt, then YES, government can take measures to stop or slow the pandemic. But we really need to eradicate this idea of the elite (govt or business) dictating our personal behaviors just for the sake of mitigating low levels of risk. Life is full of risks. Society has generally accepted that individuals can drive cars, swim, hike, climb, skydive, smoke cigarettes, eat fast food, etc. and assume all sorts of risks at their own discretion. I'm NOT anti-mask. I'm anti-mask mandate unless there is a "common good" imperative. Of course, individuals are always free to wear a mask whenever they desire.

 

[Jim Lahey]

After two years we are all entrenched in our views and no one is going to be convinced by the other side, so the debate has become largely immaterial. In the end we have to ask ourselves if we think masks will ever eradicate the virus. If we don’t then we’re left with two options;

1. Don‘t wear them.
2. Wear them forever.

If we do think that masks will eradicate the virus then we are left with only one option;

1. Seek help.

 

[Scoob Redux]

What's amazing about masks is that comparison after comparison of neighbouring regions where one has a mask mandate and the other does not results in near identical rates of cases and transmission.

End this theatre already.

Actually, at the height of the last spike, Florida and Texas, with zero mask mandates, had the lowest transmission and infection rates, while California and New York, with the most restrictions, were raging with cases. CDC wasn't able to explain.

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

If I jump off a cliff I might live. Therefore jumping off a cliff does not cause death. Thats your assertion. Understood.

Massive gaslighter

 

[MorganB]

Did you? Are you all really that dense and entrenched in the mask narrative. You understand the difference between reduce and prevent? Which I ve been asserting from the beginning that masks do not prevent infection.

s.

Massive gaslighter

you are just arguing semantics. I am interested in effective reduction of transmission. The virus vectors from one person to many. If a mask reduces transmission the virus is less successful. It’s honestly not a big ask. People wear underwear and socks daily. Restaurants require shirts. It’s simple to toss on a mask for a few minutes while in a store. I don’t see why it would be an issue.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

After two years we are all entrenched in our views and no one is going to be convinced by the other side, so the debate has become largely immaterial. In the end we have to ask ourselves if we think masks will ever eradicate the virus. If we don’t then we’re left with two options;

1. Don‘t wear them.
2. Wear them forever.

If we do think that masks will eradicate the virus then we are left with only one option;

1. Seek help.

100%

Masks will not eradicate the virus.

If someone wants to wear one to decrease their chances of getting sick, they are free to do so.

There is no need for mandates.

 

[Octavius8]

Sooooo 2021...

 

[BruiserBear]

After two years we are all entrenched in our views and no one is going to be convinced by the other side, so the debate has become largely immaterial. In the end we have to ask ourselves if we think masks will ever eradicate the virus. If we don’t then we’re left with two options;

1. Don‘t wear them.
2. Wear them forever.

If we do think that masks will eradicate the virus then we are left with only one option;

1. Seek help.

There is actually a third more rational option that we’re currently seeing play out in this Apple news.

When cases are low you ease the restrictions, and when cases are high you ramp them up again.

This is what most governments around the world are doing, and it makes the most sense.

Unfortunately the people who are letting their favorite politicians guide their health choices these days are very upset by any mitigation efforts.

 

[Octavius8]

U do realize that by continuing to wear a mask, you will weaken your immune system over time to where it will be hard to be around ppl without a mask and not get sick one day

What?, who is wearing a mask 24/7?. Are mask 100% tight and environment proof?.You DO take filtered water or do you put dirt on it to get your dose of bacterias? And surely most of your meat, chicken or fish is cooked. Astronauts who get back from the ISS dont develop and innmune dissorder.
Mask are not magic shields, their function is to reduce the chances of the virus escaping through droplets and contaminating the nerby closed area. They are a COURTESY between members of a society. if not for your protection, wear them for everyone else safety.
I dont have to avoid farting on an elevator, but for common courtesy, sensible persons, dont do it. Is not for you, is for the rest of the society entering that small space.
Think it through from the other side point of view.