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Apple Rejects 'Samsung Pay Mini' on App Store Ahead of January Launch

How much of this is just a marketing stunt? Samsung knew they'd be rejected either with bad code (against the very clear rules for app store submission) or just lazy code.

They make a point to tell everyone they were rejected finalizing with "but no big deal, we're not even going to resubmit anyway"

I feel bad for the developers who yes were paid but a few iOS guys worked for a few months on this and have nothing to show for it except a paycheck.
 
newdeal said:
Apple rejecting apps because they don't want competition on their platform is going to come back to bite them. These companies will keep doing it and use it as legal ammunition next time Apples lawyers come calling
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There's no evidence that is Apple's reason for rejection.

Apple doesn't give third parties access to NFC, and Apple hardware doesn't have the magnetic stripe emulation, so it's not clear how you could pay for anything with Samsung Pay on an iPhone - maybe QR codes or tokens ? Or maybe Samsung are a card provider and it just uses Apple Pay on iPhone. Or maybe you can't pay for anything with it, but can view your transaction history.

There are many many ways Samsung could contravene App Store guidelines & get rejected, without Apple trying to be anti-competitive.
 
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decimortis said:
It could just be because it's Monday and I haven't had enough coffee yet, but can someone explain to me a legitimate reason someone with an iPhone would opt to use Samsung Pay over the already integrated Apple Pay?
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Sure: because here in the US there are very limited options for using Apple Pay (looking at you Walmart and CVS...). As I understand it, Samsung Pay works at locations that don't even require NFC terminals in place. So that would be the attraction. It would not be for me, but I can understand those who would like that. And I totally understand Apple's desire not to admit a direct competitor into its proprietary store. That's like telling a car dealer that they must sell a competitor's cars also.
 
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uroshnor said:
There's no evidence that is Apple's reason for rejection.

Apple doesn't give third parties access to NFC, and Apple hardware doesn't have the magnetic stripe emulation, so it's not clear how you could pay for anything with Samsung Pay on an iPhone - maybe QR codes or tokens ? Or maybe Samsung are a card provider and it just uses Apple Pay on iPhone. Or maybe you can't pay for anything with it, but can view your transaction history.

There are many many ways Samsung could contravene App Store guidelines & get rejected, without Apple trying to be anti-competitive.
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Maybe the app was required for their Gear S3 / Frontier + payments via MST (off the watch)? It's all speculation at this point, and unfair to blame either party without more detail.
 
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Haha. Of course. Typical Apple.

Anything but to create competition on the iPhone.

They want to keep us walled with their services that have been shoved down our throats.
 
decimortis said:
It could just be because it's Monday and I haven't had enough coffee yet, but can someone explain to me a legitimate reason someone with an iPhone would opt to use Samsung Pay over the already integrated Apple Pay?
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Because people are different. Sometimes I cannot fathom why people would use Windows over the MacOS even though I could put forward loads of reasons why they should.
You know what, they just prefer it.
 
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adamjackson said:
How much of this is just a marketing stunt? Samsung knew they'd be rejected either with bad code (against the very clear rules for app store submission) or just lazy code.

They make a point to tell everyone they were rejected finalizing with "but no big deal, we're not even going to resubmit anyway"

I feel bad for the developers who yes were paid but a few iOS guys worked for a few months on this and have nothing to show for it except a paycheck.
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Why feel bad?
The developers could of been in on your imagineary plot all along.
 
H2SO4 said:
Because people are different. Sometimes I cannot fathom why people would use Windows over the MacOS even though I could put forward loads of reasons why they should.
You know what, they just prefer it.
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Makes sense. I suppose that's why people run Bootcamp on a Mac. Use one when the other fails to do what you need it to.
 
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vertsix said:
Haha. Of course. Typical Apple.

Anything but to create competition on the iPhone.

They want to keep us walled with their services that have been shoved down our throats.
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It seems like more along the lines of typical MR reactions. It's not like there could be plenty of valid reasons for it all, quite a few of which have even been brought up in this very thread already.
 
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dannyyankou said:
I don't think it has anything to do with competition, it's just pointless. iPhones don't have the same technology that other Samsung phones have, so Samsung pay would just be doing the same exact thing as Apple Pay.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to open an app to do something my phone can do natively
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If being pointless were reason enough for Apple to reject an app then the AppStore would have 90% fewer apps than it does.
 
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furi0usbee said:
LOL. Let me get this off my chest. So I went to Best Buy and "tried" to pay with my debit card. No joke, it was a 2 min checkout. I had to keep tapping that I didn't want to donate, didn't want e-receipt, didn't want best buy credit, didn't want protection plan... I must have touched the payment terminal 20 times even before I got to input my pin number. I told the guy, not for nothing, but that was a 2 min checkout, for a single USB cable... and he said it's better than a 3 min checkout. I told him tell me which stores have the 3 min checkout so I can avoid them too! Before I left, he asked me if I wanted to take the optional blood test. I declined. Well that last part is not true, but the rest is 100% accurate :)
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Apple Pay is so easy at Best Buy. Paid for an iPad Pro in less than 30 seconds. I've made the mistake of leaving my wallet at home before and Apple Pay saved the day.
 
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Apple going to far here.

I for one, leave my iPhone home when I go shopping because I know that Samsung Pay will work where I shop using my S7 Edge.
 
This was from a tech times article back in May...

"According to a new report from ET News, the new Samsung Pay Mini should make its debut sometime in June. Unlike the regular Samsung Pay, which allows for contactless payments using the Magnetic Secure Transmission (MST) standard, the Samsung Pay Mini app would focus exclusively on online payments."

It would make sense for it to be more of a online payment type thing. Unless it was to use QR Codes or something.
 
sleepydinosaur said:
If I had to guess and after a quick read of the App Store guidelines, I'm guessing it circumvented Apple's security (which may have been necessary for it to operate) and/or it was submitted with the intention of making Apple look bad by rejecting it.

Personally you should be able use whatever you want but unlike someone posted about having to use an iPhone for work: I'd personally never ever have anything personal on my work phone ESPECIALLY payment details.
I hate carrying 2 phones and was told I could just make the work phone my personal one (which would save me money) but no thanks. Keep them separate is always best.
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I don't believe there's a way for an employer to get into your Apple Pay information from MDM. Only you have remote access to that via iCloud.com. They can disable Apple Pay, but that's about it.
 
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vertsix said:
Haha. Of course. Typical Apple.

Anything but to create competition on the iPhone.

They want to keep us walled with their services that have been shoved down our throats.
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If that were true, we wouldn't see Square, PayPal, or other payment platforms on iOS either. Without knowing the reason for rejection, we can't really pin this on either party, IMO.

JackieInCo said:
Apple going to far here.

I for one, leave my iPhone home when I go shopping because I know that Samsung Pay will work where I shop using my S7 Edge.
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Problem is, even if there was no rejection, then it isn't like the iPhone with Samsung Pay would work in the same places as the S7. It's special hardware that makes it useable with any card reader. So this would just be an extension of your wallet for online purchases.

And I've always been somewhat skeptical of using a phone to transmit the credit card stripe wirelessly to the stripe reader. It works in more places, but is a lot more susceptible to skimming than NFC payments.
 
decimortis said:
It could just be because it's Monday and I haven't had enough coffee yet, but can someone explain to me a legitimate reason someone with an iPhone would opt to use Samsung Pay over the already integrated Apple Pay?
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Well, Samsung Pay (when used on Samsung phones) is able to mimic a card swipe so you can use it in a ton more places than you can currently use Apple Pay in the U.S. NFC doesn't even need to be enabled on the POS equipment for Samsung Pay to work, from what I understand. I wish Apple had done the same thing with Apple Pay. That probably would have revolutionized how people pay for things in the U.S. As it stands, Apple Pay is still largely a niche service in the U.S. as many retailers are still living in the last decade when it comes to accepting payments.

That said, I have to believe that part of the secret sauce in Samsung Pay's technology and why it works has to do with the Samsung phone itself. I don't think they'd be able to write software for an iPhone that could mimic a card swipe. So unless Samsung Pay on the iPhone was able to mimic a card swipe, I wouldn't have had any reason to consider using it.
 
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Krevnik said:
If that were true, we wouldn't see Square, PayPal, or other payment platforms on iOS either. Without knowing the reason for rejection, we can't really pin this on either party, IMO.



Problem is, even if there was no rejection, then it isn't like the iPhone with Samsung Pay would work in the same places as the S7. It's special hardware that makes it useable with any card reader.

And I've always been somewhat skeptical of using a phone to transmit the credit card stripe wirelessly to the stripe reader. It works in more places, but is a lot more susceptible to skimming than NFC payments.
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Samsung Pay isn't susceptible to skimming because it requires the user to either enter their pin or use a fingerprint to unlock to be able to use in the first place.
 
decimortis said:
It could just be because it's Monday and I haven't had enough coffee yet, but can someone explain to me a legitimate reason someone with an iPhone would opt to use Samsung Pay over the already integrated Apple Pay?
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There is many countries where Apple Pay isn't available yet. If Samsung Pay is deployed faster than Apple Pay, people could try it?
 
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Samsung Pay isn't susceptible to skimming because it requires the user to either enter their pin or use a fingerprint to unlock to be able to use in the first place.
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Huh? SP emulates the magnetic read by sending a high powered magnetic pulse to the head in the terminal. The card skimmer will still pick that up same as if it was swiped past it. Now if they are using newly generated card #'s for every transaction (doubtful) it wouldn't be susceptible but if not it is just the same.
 
itguy06 said:
Huh? SP emulates the magnetic read by sending a high powered magnetic pulse to the head in the terminal. The card skimmer will still pick that up same as if it was swiped past it. Now if they are using newly generated card #'s for every transaction (doubtful) it wouldn't be susceptible but if not it is just the same.
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Just like with Apple Pay, it generates a token that is different each time Samsung Pay is used so it wouldn't be useful for skimmers.
 
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