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Wrong

On the surface this looks bad, but let me walk you through a little scenario:

You're a small company, making cars and selling them as well as other people's cars. When you sell other people's cars, you ask for a cut, since you pay for the fuel, advertise for them, let them sell their accessories in your stores. They give you this cut because you're providing a valuable service, and your customers love how they're treated in your store so are very loyal and trust brands you recommend.

One of the bigger car makers decides to sell one of their custom cars in your store. They give the car for free, so they don't have to pay you anything for access to your loyal clients or for the space their cars take. They can afford to offer it for free because the fuel and accessories for it are only available from their own showrooms, and each car comes with instructions on how to get to their showroom.

Tell me, would you keep "selling" their cars, when it's obvious that they're just a vehicle to get people to go to a competing store?

Now lets look at Apple. They host the apps, they provide the download bandwidth, they advertise, they have the trusted environment, they have the loyal audience. Some companies have worked out that if they give the apps away for free, but include a link to a web site to sell content, they can lure these loyal customers to their stores without giving Apple anything for the service. These greedy companies want 100% of your money, and the ability to get all your details (that Apple protects strongly) by using their own sales portals.

Tell me now if you wouldn't kick Sony and others out of your store for the same behavior!?

Apple offers a lot, and only asks for 30% of an electronic sale that has very little direct cost to the sellers, but still many companies strive to find ways to deny Apple that 30% that they use to keep the store running.


Did not the book publishers complain about the basic sale price for E-Book?
If they are now going to give up another 30% will the publishers revolt, will the final consumer - US - end up with less content/selection? Methinks this is a slippery slope!!
 
I love how people post and not read the entire thread, not knowing that what they said is completely wrong because there have been updates to the originally written article. :rolleyes:

Tony
 
That's not right. Steve, stop being greedy. You are sick, you need to let go these little things.
 
I love how people post and not read the entire thread, not knowing that what they said is completely wrong because there have been updates to the originally written article. :rolleyes:

Tony

Sorry... we all don't have time to pick apart 400 posts. Taking the article for what it is... that's all. It's unofficial speculation. So why panic?
 
I would point out ...

I would point out that Kindle does not allow you to purchase within the Kindle app ... it goes outside using Safari. A minor point perhaps, and I'm not sure how Sony was doing it, but I can't imagine Apple removing the Kindle app from the store. Also, the iBooks library is woefully behind Amazon in terms of titles available. I've complained numerous times about this ... Apple better increase the titles or they will lose the books battle.
 
I think...

.. Apple should ask Sony to put a version of the iBook bookstore app on all of Sony's Readers.

For free.

And with no revenue sharing with Sony.

And see if Sony rejects it.

C.
 
I would point out that Kindle does not allow you to purchase within the Kindle app ... it goes outside using Safari. A minor point perhaps, and I'm not sure how Sony was doing it, but I can't imagine Apple removing the Kindle app from the store. Also, the iBooks library is woefully behind Amazon in terms of titles available. I've complained numerous times about this ... Apple better increase the titles or they will lose the books battle.

As well as lose the movie and TV battle. Other than music, their content for anything else has always been terrible. Heck, Apple TV still only has Fox and ABC TV programs!


Tony
 
.. Apple should ask Sony to put a version of the iBook bookstore app on all of Sony's Readers.

For free.

And with no revenue sharing with Sony.

And see if Sony rejects it.

C.

The Sony Reader is a dedicated device. iOS is not - it's an open platform for developers.

Tony
 
This absolutely blows! One of the best reasons to buy an ebook is the ability to read it in many places on many devices. Once you start limiting it to only certain devices, well why mess with the electronic version (which often is only a buck or 2 less than the printed version)?

Its not my fault that the apple book store sucks. Don't remove my kindle app. Its this kind of crap that makes android powered stuff more appealing. I certainly don't want to invest in an iPad just to be forced to buy my content through Apple.

Damn, Steve is gone for just a few weeks and already Apple is acting like MS.
 
Wait Until Apple Officially Responds

Why do so many people think Apple, or any other company should be in the business of giving things away? It's their network that pulls all this together. If every developer is expected to pay 30%, then why shouldn't Sony? The Amazon Kindle app gets around this by directing people through Safari. Customers can then sync their books over the air. Audible.com does it the same way.

"The company has told some applications developers, including Sony, that they can no longer sell content, like e-books, within their apps, or let customers have access to purchases they have made outside the App Store."

I highly doubt this is true. If this were the case, then Amazon will be expected to give 30% of every sale made through the Amazon.com store app to Apple. Zappos the same. eBay also. That won't happen because those purchases are made over the phone's network...not through Apple's servers.

There's more going on with this rejection that we simply don't know yet. Stop panicking. Take a deep breath. If there's a problem, Apple will correct it. They always do.
 
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Piranha feeding frenzy!

Sony's app gets pulled, we don't know why other than what some PR guy says.
MR editor tacks Kindle into the same post.
Omg the end is nigh!

No facts, no Apple statement.

Lots of "doom gloom, I'm gonna dump my iOS device, I'm never gonna buy apple again" I call BS on the whole article but stand in awe at Sony's PR guys for getting this much free publicity. Oh and MR gets a lot of traffic too, those ad impressions must be racking up,hey guys.
 
How is in-app purchasing in the Kindle/Nook app any different than purchasing from the Amazon/Ebay/AT&T app that lets you purchase items???

I just bought something through the Amazon app. Isn't that considered in-app purchasing?

only difference is that it's not downloaded to the ipad therefore modifying it at all
 
I'm sure that Kindle wouldn't allow a way for competing eBooks to be purchased on their device. I don't really see how this is unfair to the Kindle store or other eBook stores. Apple is just the most notable, and people start talking.
 
It is now reported that what Apple actually said is they have a new rule that if you offer something electronic for sale outside the app, you also have to offer it via in-app purchasing.

Clever. Apple presumably gets its 30% cut on in-app sales, but not external sales, and who is going to leave the app to buy?
 
iBooks is a terrible excuse for a digital bookstore.
Damn, people... the store only opened 7 months ago. Give it a chance, haters.

When iTunes came out, it was "terrible" too with just over 200,000 songs. Terrible, right? Look at it now. The store has more than 13,000,000 songs! Apple changed the music business and took the control away from the powerful music companies so that you can cherry pick all you want! Then they got rid of DRM. Now they offer movies, tv shows and apps. They change how we consume information and education and entertainment and all for the better.

How quick we forget.

How quick to judge and be small.
 
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Word to the wise: you may not want to upgrade your iPad's OS and apps. The latest is not necessarily the greatest.
 
It is now reported that what Apple actually said is they have a new rule that if you offer something electronic for sale outside the app, you also have to offer it via in-app purchasing.

Clever. Apple presumably gets its 30% cut on in-app sales, but not external sales, and who is going to leave the app to buy?

Errrm, how about anyone that sees the Amazon in-app notice that says "Due to Apples policies if you buy here the price is 30% more. Buy on the web and get it cheaper" ?
 
Errrm, how about anyone that sees the Amazon in-app notice that says "Due to Apples policies if you buy here the price is 30% more. Buy on the web and get it cheaper" ?

Apple presumably won't:

1) allow such a notice
2) allow Amazon to charge less for a book bought through the web browser than through the app.

Do you think Apple would allow Amazon to work around this policy by setting the price for all in-app purchases to a million dollars? Didn't think so.

It always amuses me when someone posts a response with something like "errrm" (implying that the post being responded to is stupid), and then responds with a post that is itself so off-the-mark.
 
It is now reported that what Apple actually said is they have a new rule that if you offer something electronic for sale outside the app, you also have to offer it via in-app purchasing.

Interesting. The U.S. government offers electronic access to certain data sources and services for a fee, and there are a few apps that provide access to such. I wonder if Apple will use this rule to require the U.S. government to use in-app purchase? For instance for tax payments?
 
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