Apple Releases 17'' MacBook Pro

pincho said:
lol the 12" Power Book looks lonely on the Store page, and i think they will have to update or get rid of that before the MacBooks come, as its 'wasting' space by itself in the Hardware section of the website :D
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Poor 12". You deserved a 120GB option and DL a long time ago.

But now, at least you are the master of your domain. :D
 
milo said:
So who wants to do a 17" apple VS dell comparison?

Looks like the MBP 17 will stack up much better than the 15 did.
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A VERY QUICK thumbnail from the Aussie sites ...

Mac 17" base 4599 + applecare 579 + modem 79 + 2GB 460 = 5717

Dell M1710 (256 MB graphics model) base 4397 + premium service 412 + help desk 169 + 100GBx7200 disk 91 + bluetooth 23 + 2GB 229 = 5721

Mac misses out on hi-res screen, 3 x USB, MS Works, and maybe some other bits.

Dell misses out on remote control, 1 x FW800, camera, iLife, and maybe some other stuff.

Edit: Of course it's arguable whether the extended warrantees are comparable, and there will be some other differences (eg Dell forces a choice in version of Windows, whereas OS X arguably gives capabilities of both) and so on. My take is that price is about the same, depending on whether you want the hi res screen or the FW800 & camera & iLife (I don't rate Works - would buy Office & iWork anyway).
 
bgd78 said:
Regarding the FW800 port, can you run external 3.5" HDDs straight off the FW800 port without the need for an external power supply?
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Yes, but ONLY 2.5" (laptop-sized) drives. You can't run full-size 3.5" external drives off the FireWire 800 connector any more than you could run them off a FireWire 400 connector.
 
oh wow, i know it's been practically beaten to death BUT...

15" MBP with 2.16GHz Core Duo and 120GB harddrive (both standard on 17")-- $2659

17" MBP-- $2599

granted this in the education store, but wow, what a steal...you save $60 by getting an extra 2" of screen size, another USB port, FW800, and an 8x Superdrive. i am excited to see the new prices/revisions of the 15" in the coming weeks...
 
Dell XPS M1710 (Sameish spec [512Mb Graphics...no option there]) - $4184
Inspiron E1705 (Same spec [X1400 not X1600]) - $2878

17" MacBook Pro - $3099

All with:
7200 100Gb HD
2Gb RAM
17" Display

Hmm...well I like it lots anyway! Seems like a bargain compared to the top end 15"! :D

Uber

/Why isn't MacBook in this computer's darn dictionary. You'd think 10.4.6 would at least include the latest product names :rolleyes: ;)
//Teaches iMac MacBook
///Checks all other product names...they seem to work fine
////Checks "MacPro" <--- Oh, misspelt. No secret apple clues to help us along :eek:
 
Leoff said:
Would you rather they release it now with all sorts of bugs and a massive backorder?
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ACtually, yes. At least, I'd like them to say something like "here's what we've got in the pipeline for the next 6 months" - that way I could decide TODAY whether or not it's worth my while continually waiting for the MacBook, or whether I'd actually be better served with the MacBook Pro, which I could walk into an Apple store and go home with TONIGHT.

Surely it's in Apple's best interest to give it's buyers a frikkin' clue where they stand so that they can actually - you know - make a purchasing decision, instead of perusing rumor sites like this one for any snippet of information they can pick up.:confused:
 
BJNY said:
What will happen to all the pricing when Intel lowers cost of Core Duos at the end of May?
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Apple will make more money.

Seriously, I see the $2499 MBP coming down to $2299 and maybe the $1999 model coming down to $1799 or $1899.

Really though, the $1999 model doesn't have to come down at all. The current $500 price difference between the 2 MBP models is unjustified IMO. The only differences between the 2 models are; 128 MB more VRAM, 20GB more hard drive space, and 512MB more system ram.

I see those 3 factors being worth about $400 max. So I would like to see $1899, $2299, and $2799 MBP pricing.

$1799 for the lower end MBP is just wishful thinking on my part, but it sure would be "the cherry on top" though.
 
Too bad for me, I still believe that 15 and now 17 are too big for true mobility. (i.e. take with me everywhere) Apple must have something big planned for the smaller and lighter models. One would hope anyway. The sad thing is the longer they delay putting out a true portable model the more people come to expect. (and will be disappointed when they just stuff a core solo in the current ibook design). :)
 
regarding the DL Superdrive

I'm pretty sure that the inclusion of the DL Superdrive has more to do with where the drive is placed (vertically speaking) than how much extra space is there since its wider. Its still 1" thin. Which is impressive i might add... but observe where the drive sits on the face of the computer - along the top, whereas on the 15" its in the middle (parallel with the latch button). The placement of this i think is what allowed them to have the DL. I dont know why they didnt do it like this in the 15" but i will say the aesthetics of the 15" drive look a little better with the burner slot flush in the middle. I bet they figured, "well if we keep the 17" design the same that means, less design work and more time to focus on other things, it means we can keep the DL burner for now, and it gives us a little more flexibility in the future for cramming in other drives i.e. BluRay or faster DL dvd burners that have currently unforseen thicknesses." Keep in mind too that the thinness of the 15" doesnt negate the ability for a DL drive, but just "not yet". I heard somewhere that they'd be thing enough by the summer time, so i guess in time for the Merom Rev. Don't know how credible this is though. In the 15" powerbook they had some extra computer thickness to allow for the thicker drive.. but in the thinner 17" powerbook, the drive slot was placed along the top of the front of the laptop to allow for the buner as thick as the DL superdrive.

just my opinion...

GOod job though.. keep 'em rollin
 
1984 said:
Most PC laptops have dual-layer drives. It's a very basic specification these days. To leave it off on a $2000+ laptop is just embarrassing, especially when done for the sake of vanity... in this case an enclosure that is imperceptibly thinner than before.
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The 15" MacBook Pro does have a dual-layer optical drive. It just doesn't have a dual-layer burner. Most PC laptops do not have dual-layer burners. That's just not true.

Chris
 
Very nice. Now if they would just cram all that stuff into the 15". 17" is too big for my portability. Still, very nice:)
 
I see
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB of GDDR3
and
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB of GDDR3

Does this mean
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 64MB of GDDR3

for the 13.3' Macbook? :p
A man can dream....
 
Bern said:
Open the lid and there's a screen inside :rolleyes:
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That doesn't make sense, that has nothing to do with an external montior.


Quick comparison on the Dell site, the M90 prices out to $2,674 with similar specs. That's with a lower rez screen, if you up it that adds another 150. That's also with 2x512 ram and not sure if it includes firewire of any sort.

MacQuest said:
The current $500 price difference between the 2 MBP models is unjustified IMO. The only differences between the 2 models are; 128 MB more VRAM, 20GB more hard drive space, and 512MB more system ram.
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There's also a difference in CPU speed, 1.8 vs 2.0.
 
MrCrowbar said:
Compare the price of the 2.16 GHz 15" MBP and the 2.16 GHz 17" MBP. Both $2,799.00 but the 17" has more HDD, FW 800, dual layer etc...

The people having paid the extra money for the 2.16 GHz upgrade for the 15" must be p:ssed real bad! :eek: :p

Now give me a 12" or 13.3" and I'm happy.
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I got the 2.16 upgrade, and I'm not p:ssed. For one thing the 2 -> 2.16 is really a psychological upgrade more than a performace upgrade; the price-to-real-performance-gain is out of whack. So, more than anything, I was just making myself happy by having the fastest processor available ( :D I can admit the real reason I got the upgrade).

The second thing is that I want a 15" screen, not a 17" screen. The 17" MBP is too big for me. The 15" is the best balance of size vs. screen real estate (for me). I can't get mad about the 17" being available, because I don't want one.
 
ShavenYak said:
I think OS X deserves more consideration than calling it "some other stuff"!
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Personally I agree (I regularly have to fix up 4 x XP boxes that the family uses) but others around here might not - I thought it might have been a distraction from the main point that similarly configured MacBook Pro is not significantly more expensive than a Dell and depending on what your priorities are you might perceive the Mac as less expensive.
 
Mac_Freak said:
FW 800 woohoo
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Ditto. Glad to see FW800. I already chewed out our Apple rep for not having it on the 15". Hopefully we will see that change in the next rev.
 
dferrara said:
Poor 12". You deserved a 120GB option and DL a long time ago.

But now, at least you are the master of your domain. :D
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lol the one thing i think that really edges out the 'professionalism' of the 12" to its older brothers is digital audio out/in, i hope the new revision brings it :D
 
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