Apple Releases Aluminum Unibody 17" MacBook Pro

[SpinThis!]

Movies when converted to blu ray are converted from the actual film roll. Not the dvd.

yeh... I forget who said it but 35 mm film probably has a latitude of about 20 megapixels before it starts falling apart. Hollywood uses a size similar to that (IMAX is double that), so at least for big budget films you would be a fool not to shoot film yet, if nothing more to future proof your film for transferring to new formats (not to mention film has excellent archival value).

Go watch a high definition channel that plays older films. Even the films from the 60's and 70's are in full 1080i/720p.

I'm not sure all films are rescanned from the originals for HD; realtime upconvert for broadcast has pretty stellar equipment and a lot of those movie channels are 1080i, so you're "only" adding about 60 lines to the picture.

 

[miggitymac]

.Chris;6896903]Really? So tell me why they are doing well on PCs such as HP and sony? Enough iof your apple fan rubbish

Here's what YOU said:

"just because something is "comming" doesnt mean it will be here tomorow and they must use it. a lot of internal testing at apple must be done before they can go ahead and place them in the macs"

I merely replied that you're correct in your reasoning, and you could apply the same reasoning to explain why APPLE didn't put these things in this version of the 17" MBP, NOW. Of course it's possible that they could in the near future, but what you said might very well explain why they didn't do it NOW. (I hope they do put these things in their products soon, b/c I'd likely buy a new MBP if they did...)

The subject matter is Apple and their products...I wasn't trying to dispute whether these features were doing well on PCs or not...you just took things out of context.

And yes I am an Apple fan...but to call what I said "rubbish" has nothing to do with that.

I'd wager that you're an Apple fan as well...does that make everything you say "rubbish"?

I think you have problems with interpretating things IN CONTEXT to what what was said and applying logic to your replies. Not just in your replies to me, but in general.

That's just my opinion tho...

 

[VoR]

Not true, You know how they take old music from the 50s and "digitaly remaster" them, well, this is the same thing. They take the original flim and enhance it. They have high end equipment, a lot better then some $200 converter from wal-mart

I'm sure a lot of 'experts' on doom9 etc will take great offence at this - there are many horrendously bad encodes and straight digital tape transfers on high bitrate media like blu ray that you pay a premium for. The size and bitrate is a form of drm on it's own, and it's frustrating that a film fan (still) has to research reviews on quality before buying.

I also don;t get the cable deal. My grandfather bought out blu-ray player from the sony style store in the mall, and he wanted to get the HDMI cable whitch was close to $100 so we ended up spending close to 1500 for just two things. (yes, hes the type that must have the "very best" )

You should have told him that any (non-fake) hdmi branded cable is the same as any other hdmi cable - it's a tested standard.

 

[patricksan]

Great machine

 

[.Chris]

You should have told him that any (non-fake) hdmi branded cable is the same as any other hdmi cable - it's a tested standard.

What does that have to do with anything? The cable cost that much, and we dont want to go all over town just to buy a cable, and we do not want to by a cheep $5 cable.

 

[VoR]

You'd rather pay $100 for a product that is the same thing as a $5 one?

$95 to visit another couple of shops, or wait for a next day internet delivery sounds pretty decent to me

 

[Brianstorm91]

1)Movie prices too high: The BR movie titles are like $18-24 since about June 2008. Prior to that date, I was able to buy them all over the place for about $14 as they tried to lure people into choosing BR over HDDVD. So now that BR has won, they jack the prices up?

Films are twice that in the UK.

 

[CrackedButter]

Hey eric. heres what I have to say on your comments



Well, we are in a recession, and you can blame bush for that. Keep in mind, DVD movies faced the same thing when they first came out.

As much as I dislike Bush, its lazy to suggest that Bush and only Bush is the reason why we are in a recession. I think you can blame the last 16 years on the Government and the Financial institutions who have been playing with people's money since the 70's expecting constant year on year growth.

 

[.Chris]

You'd rather pay $100 for a product that is the same thing as a $5 one?

$95 to visit another couple of shops, or wait for a next day internet delivery sounds pretty decent to me

If I have a high end equipment I rather get my moneys worth with a good cable, if that means spending 100 bucks on a cable, then so be it

 

[VoR]

I said in two posts now that you aren't getting your moneys worth buying premium hdmi cables, just thought you might want to know...

I'm surprised you were unaware of this after all the 'high end equipment' research you did at the sony centre

 

[Mactagonist]

If I have a high end equipment I rather get my moneys worth with a good cable, if that means spending 100 bucks on a cable, then so be it

That is the issue right there, the $5 cable is functionally identical to the $100 cable save for the marketing that has taken you in.

After reading a few of your posts I can say with great confidence that you do not know as much as you think you do about almost everything. As you discovered with your HDMI cable, that attitude can be costly.

 

[miggitymac]

That is the issue right there, the $5 cable is functionally identical to the $100 cable save for the marketing that has taken you in.

After reading a few of your posts I can say with great confidence that you do not know as much as you think you do about almost everything. As you discovered with your HDMI cable, that attitude can be costly.

Completely agree with comment about .Chris. I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice this...

But, with people like him out there that insist on paying $100 instead of $5 for an identical cable, it gives me hope that the economy will bounce back sooner rather than later.

 

[ericinboston]

If I have a high end equipment I rather get my moneys worth with a good cable, if that means spending 100 bucks on a cable, then so be it

I bought numerous HDMI cables in 2008 for $18 a pop...online...not retail stores that are the same people who sell you a 6foot USB cable for $29.99 or a 5foot RCA cable for $24.99. A buddy got suckered into buying the high-end HDMI cable from a store for $179 instead of the normal grade for $129. I forced him to go back and ALSO purchase the $129 pair...I then played numerous movies with the various cables (and my $18 one) and he couldn't tell the difference. He returned both sets and bought an $18 pair. He wanted to treat me to a nice dinner but I refused.

I'll make a broad statement that hopefully won't cause an uproar...please take this upcoming comment in moderation:

For the average and above average technical consumer, a cable is a cable is a cable. It typically makes no difference what you spend. Just buy the right cable. As someone mentioned, all cable types ahere to a standard.

That's my statement. Sure, it can be twisted to say "well I need to run 500 feet of it"...so in that case, sure, you may need more research. Others may whine that "my ____ needs the extra .0000005% quality because my eyes and ears are bionic"...ok, sure, whatever you say. And of course I'm not trying to compare super super high end commerical grade cabling with a $1.99used cable at a flea market with kinks in it.



I've been an avid a/v enthusiast since the 70s...consumer grade equipment in a consumer environment (size, cable lengths, room acoustics, lighting, etc) will perform the same with any grade cables....and again...there are some rare exceptions to this rule. You want to have a $200,000 home theater or $400,000 home recording studio, sure, what's a hundred bucks on a *supposedly* better cable.

My 1+ year old $18 HDMI cables are still performing magnificently.

-Eric

 

[.Chris]

Then again, you waste all your money on macs, so i really wouldn't be talking

 

[sgginc]

If I have a high end equipment I rather get my moneys worth with a good cable, if that means spending 100 bucks on a cable, then so be it

http://svconline.com/residentialav/features/hdmi_cables_overview_12272007/

From link:

"Unlike analog cables, DVI and HDMI video cables will usually either be 100 percent perfect, or have obvious problems that make them unusable, that is to say that their acceptability is also “digital”."

k

 

[.Chris]

http://svconline.com/residentialav/features/hdmi_cables_overview_12272007/

From link:

"Unlike analog cables, DVI and HDMI video cables will usually either be 100 percent perfect, or have obvious problems that make them unusable, that is to say that their acceptability is also “digital”."

k

Not "k"

What you guys arnt getting is, there is a difference between a good quality cable and a good quality cable. While they may deliver the same, its all how well its built and how strong it is. Also, not to mention the gold ones produce a lot better then the chrome ones. YOU may not notice a difference, but a lot do, including my self.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Hi Chris,

I think BR is going to die as a whole...very soon unless prices drop incredibily. I will attempt to write a short column so here goes:

I guess you don't know much about the prices and rate of adoption of the DVD format. It was MUCH slower and prices lingered MUCH HIGHER for a MUCH LONGER period of time and it took off like a rocket. HD sets themselves are only now starting to reach a decent level of market penetration. I'm still waiting for the rest of my TV channels to become available in HD. A lot of people out there don't even realize they're not seeing HD because they have a regular cable box, etc. These things take time. Saying the lone HD sale format is doomed is absurd. It's the ONLY thing going. Apple does NOT *SELL" HD movies. NO ONE does except for on the format of Blu-Ray. Saying Blu-Ray will fail is like saying HD will fail. It's not going to happen. A comparison to Mini-Disc doesn't make sense since there were a lot of alternatives to that format at the time AND it was mostly a recording format. The CD was firmly entrenched.

 

[NT1440]

Not "k"

What you guys arnt getting is, there is a difference between a good quality cable and a good quality cable. While they may deliver the same, its all how well its built and how strong it is. Also, not to mention the gold ones produce a lot better then the chrome ones. YOU may not notice a difference, but a lot do, including my self.

I really hope you arent talking about things like monster cables, which have been equaled or bested by so called bargain cables. Alot of what you are talking about is pure marketing propoganda.

 

[sgginc]

And the connectors are superior

Not "k"

What you guys arnt getting is, there is a difference between a good quality cable and a good quality cable. While they may deliver the same, its all how well its built and how strong it is. Also, not to mention the gold ones produce a lot better then the chrome ones. YOU may not notice a difference, but a lot do, including my self.

I agree ... And the connectors are much better ... I personally bought the Amphenol online for ~$30.

I would not see the difference between a $5 cable though.

k

 

[.Chris]

I really hope you arent talking about things like monster cables, which have been equaled or bested by so called bargain cables. Alot of what you are talking about is pure marketing propoganda.

Just regular cables. It may be that way to you, but the same thing can be said for reasons why macs cost so much.

I agree ... And the connectors are much better ... I personally bought the Amphenol online for ~$30.

I would not see the difference between a $5 cable though.

k

True, but again, its the quality of the cable it self, that you don't seem to understand,

 

[NT1440]

Just regular cables. It may be that way to you, but the same thing can be said for reasons why macs cost so much.

Well just so you know, other than marketing for the vast majority of cables out there, there is no performance difference between a $15 and a $100 cable.

 

[.Chris]

Well just so you know, other than marketing for the vast majority of cables out there, there is no performance difference between a $15 and a $100 cable.

just so you know, your not getting my point please read my posts next time before making such comments.

BTW, this topic is about the macbook pro, not about owning $5 cables or propergamma

 

[sgginc]

Just regular cables. It may be that way to you, but the same thing can be said for reasons why macs cost so much.



True, but again, its the quality of the cable it self, that you don't seem to understand,

I do. Thats why I bought Amphenol.
Just saying I wouldn't see any difference.

k "k" == kenny

 

[NT1440]

just so you know, your not getting my point please read my posts next time before making such comments.

What part of JUST so you no do people not understand? It wasn't meant to be a response to your posts.

 

[Eddyisgreat]

just so you know, your not getting my point please read my posts next time before making such comments.

BTW, this topic is about the macbook pro, not about owning $5 cables or propergamma

You know places like BB and maybe even Sony Style have Razor thin margins on TV's and recoup the cost via (you guessed it) Cables and accessories.

I think Best Buy's markup on Monster cables and rocketfish are somewhere in the 90%-95% range.

Thats correct. The store paid 10 dollars for that 100 dollar cable your touting.
The manufactuer probably paid pennies on those dollars to make em.

Wheras a place like Monoprice doesn't have an incredibly leaky overhead and can source from the components straight from "the man". Plus advertising is probably low too. word of mouth is their driving force.

Don't get me wrong. I know the Apple Tax is high, but even after paying such premiums, on my Early 2k8 Macbook Pro i've made around 20x the cost in dollars from services rendered utilizing it. The difference here is that you have a choice with the cable, not so much with a Mac.