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Apple Releases Aperture 3 With Faces and Places Tagging Features
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Before today's announcement, I was told in no uncertain terms that the original Aperture management team had been replaced by the iPhoto management team, and to expect the faces and places-type featuresin the next Aperture vs. a more pro feature set. So I can't say I wasn't warned, but that doesn't make me any less disappointed at not getting layers or masking.My guess is that a lot of the "heavy lifting" of Faces support was done by way of a well-engineered library for use in iPhoto, and the Aperture team just added that to Aperture. Obviously, there's more to it than just slipping in a library, but I don't see anything indicating that Aperture re-wrote the Faces and Places features from iPhoto. In fact, given the prominent use of Google tools, I think you can see that Apple is big on reusing code
That said, the ability to import GPS waypoints and tie those back to images taken at the same time would be nice.
Unfortunately, it looks like Aperture still won't read Linear DNG, which would completely wreck my workflow with DxO...
I've just tried out the demo, but it seems it actually can't tie them together automatically (sync them). At least I can't find that function. I've imported photos and GPS tracks separately, although into the same project folder, and they don't sync automatically and I can't find a contextual or menu function for asking Aperture to do it.
Anyone else?
Does anyone know how to get the Camera Raw 2.7 update for 10.5 or 10.6? It was released in December but is still not available for download at apple.com...
Maybe spending some time to tweak Aperture would have proved more beneficial to your workflow than posing snarky quasi-rhetorical questions..
I've got over 25,000 images in my library, most of which are RAW 12MB files, and Aperture 2 is plenty zippy on a 13" MBP (the one with the slower proc. to boot!). If you play with your preview/thumbnail settings you'll enjoy quantum jumps in speed and feel with Aperture. Heck, I was able to use my old MB Air with Aperture 2 without pulling my hair out.
Command+z is a very primitive way of reverting to previous versions of your edits, and is in no way comparable to being able to view a history of your edits. With LR you can instantly go back to any version of the photo from your history, at any step of the way. Command+z does not allow this. Sure, you could hit it repeatedly until you found the specific change you are looking for, assuming you knew how many steps back it was, but that is very unwieldy, and it would be very hard to compare specific changes that were not made sequentially. Being able to quickly switch between several versions of a photograph is an invaluable tool while editing photos, which is why Adobe implemented it years ago in Photoshop.
To All You Whiny Self-Described Pro Photographers...
It's amazing to listen to all these so-called pro photographer bitch and moan about a piece of software. If you guys are so damn good, why the hell can't you take a decent photo to start with? Geez....200 new features and you're worried your photos still won't look good. You guys must really suck. Let's blame the camera and software right? How the hell did you guys live with yourselves during the film era? Effing Amazing!!
It's amazing to listen to all these so-called pro photographer bitch and moan about a piece of software. If you guys are so damn good, why the hell can't you take a decent photo to start with? Geez....200 new features and you're worried your photos still won't look good. You guys must really suck. Let's blame the camera and software right? How the hell did you guys live with yourselves during the film era? Effing Amazing!!
wow sounds like picasa, and I didn't have to pay $200 for RAW support. What shall I do
If you don't see any difference between Picasa and Aperture, it's past time to start doing your homework.
Really.
Probably becuase
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Yes probably because the whole G4 range is now vintage (End of Line) and the G5 probably within the next 4-8 months.
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Yes probably because the whole G4 range is now vintage (End of Line) and the G5 probably within the next 4-8 months.
I have 60K+ in my library. Click on the Metadata tab to show that window, and you will be able to see the image date (or any other metadata you need).
Click for full size - Uploaded with plasq's Skitch
Not sure if 3 will have a pop-up to demarcate the months as you are flying through the library. You also can search/filter results, and look for specific dates...
'preciate the help, yea I pretty much live and die by metadata (especially when someone has to know when something happened or where I was) so I definitely would love for the little popup thing when scrolling as it makes it a lot easier. Loved the screencap too!
Seriously, I recently sold a few old G4s I had and was definitely upset about it, especially once I got rid of two G5s as they're barely going to be useful anymore ... the one I kept has basically become for people to check their email or scan quickly if they're MBPs aren't within reach ... I think the iPad is going to replace the shared home computer for simple tasks (if it has User accounts) if Steve get's his way ...
THANK YOU. Someone who actually understands this as well. I have no idea what these people were doing in the days of film, although my guess is they werent born yet. Be glad you dont have to dodge and burn in a darkroom and learn how to take good photos without having to use any software. All this is doing is making people lazy and making people think that anyone with a camera can be a pro now and turn a snapshot into an amazing piece of art.
I don't get your whining!
Don't be ignorant; read the documentation, there have been over 200 features implemented or worked on. Maybe they aren't for you, but the update certainly doesn't deserve to be ridiculed like this.
Dave
Sometimes it takes longer to perfect a pro level algorithm. Besides this is an extremely solid update and I'm sure Apple worked hard on getting the individual elements to work well together. The fact of the matter is that what is considered a pro feature varies over time.sigh... It's sad to read this. Only at Apple will new features be implemented in consumer products before the pro-line. A full year even!!
And here is a perfectly good example of a feature going pro. The value of such a feature is highly dependent upon what that pro photographer is shooting. There are may photographers that could make use of this feature. If you are specialized in landscapes then maybe not so much.Not to mention that Faces sounds rather pointless to me for Aperture. Hardly something the pro users have been pining for.
Oh well.. atleast it's 64-bit.
Don't be ignorant; read the documentation, there have been over 200 features implemented or worked on. Maybe they aren't for you, but the update certainly doesn't deserve to be ridiculed like this.
Dave
PTlens's plugin that does lens/CA/perspective correction is all of $25; a bit less than Photoshop.
And no word on OpenCL, GCD, etc? "Lead by example", Apple...
No word != no function
I like how so many people are like if you're a pro you don't need FACES.
You are dead wrong. I shoot Sports Photography and Faces will most certainly help me ID'ing players better. It might not be perfect but I'm sure it will save me some time. And anything that saves me time is worth the upgrade.
Seriously if you don't see the point of certain new features than clearly than its obvious you're not a photographer.
You are dead wrong. I shoot Sports Photography and Faces will most certainly help me ID'ing players better. It might not be perfect but I'm sure it will save me some time. And anything that saves me time is worth the upgrade.
Seriously if you don't see the point of certain new features than clearly than its obvious you're not a photographer.
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Great response. Here's an idea: MacRumors sets up a little routine that analyses posts for useless complaining.
Then when I log on I can check a box which allows me to turn off the whiners! That way this thread, and many others I look at, would be about one tenth the size!
Good on you Apple for providing a solid update to an already great product for photo enthusiasts!
Whiners - do you realize that:
- product updates won't come as fast as you want them!
- product updates won't have all the features you've ever thought of!
- occasionally websites go off line!
While you're waiting for those things you seem to so desperately need:
- enjoy life!
As far as functionality, the ones I've tried so far (onOne and Nik both) work as they did under Aperture 2. At least no crashing going on.
Haven't tried running A.3 in 32-bit mode yet, but 64-bit mode is pretty quick on an MBP.
I doubt that even the developers themselves know how long it will take to make the updated plugins.
At the worst, right now, we haven't lost any functionality. Although I do plan to upgrade to Genuine Fractals 6 Pro, to get around PSE8's inability to deal with 16-bit image files.
How is the importing from iPhoto? Does it copy over keywords? I have several smart albums based on keywords.
Also, I've read that it imports over both versions (original and modified).
When you import and keep iPhoto in their current locations (I imagine like referencing), does it 'live update'? So if I add photos to iPhoto, will these changes reflect in Aperture? Or will I have to reimport?
How much of its own data base does Aperture create? I only have like 25 GB left on my hard drive and would obviously upgrade that, but only if I get Aperture, which is dependent on how importing works.
Also, I've read that it imports over both versions (original and modified).
When you import and keep iPhoto in their current locations (I imagine like referencing), does it 'live update'? So if I add photos to iPhoto, will these changes reflect in Aperture? Or will I have to reimport?
How much of its own data base does Aperture create? I only have like 25 GB left on my hard drive and would obviously upgrade that, but only if I get Aperture, which is dependent on how importing works.
Beats Lightroom handily.
I've used LR since 1.0. That was the day I stopped using Aperture. I even bought the A2 upgrade hoping I could use it, but I've been a loyal LR user all the way through ver LR3 beta.
That might change today.
Apple has been listening to pro photographers. Yes, there are some whizzy features like faces that were born in iPhoto, but they're useful in a pro product, too. The GPS tagging will become more useful as our pro gear adds geotagging (need an accessory GPS logging device for the time being).
Here's what trumps Lightroom for now.
Better RAW conversion.
I'm a Canon 7D user and have been disappointed in the Adobe RAW conversion from LR and CameraRAW recently. Reviews starting saying nasty things about the image quality from the 7D. The unkind words were true if you process your RAWs in Lightroom. The files are full of chroma noise above ISO 3200, and just generally noisy above 1600. Turns out it's LR's problem (and CR). If you processed the files in DPP they look much better.
Today I processed some of the same files in A3. IT WAS LIKE I HAD A NEW CAMERA. The chroma noise that was visible at 3200 and above was totally gone (even at 12800). The remaining noise is much lower and smoother and looks like good film grain. The files are DEFINITELY usable all the way to ISO 12800 and have MORE DETAIL than files processed in Canon's own DPP software.
Anybody that says that Apple's RAW conversion is not up to par, doesn't know what they are talking about. It's the best I've seen (which was not the case in the past).
SOFT PROOFING
This is a big deal. For those of us who make a living printing giant images on a variety of paper, canvas, and other media, the ability to soft proof on screen is welcome. LR does not have this -- even in the 3.0 beta. Photoshop has long had the feature.
SPEED
Aperture 3 just cooks. Blows away LR2.6 and Canon DPP in every speed test I threw at it. Import speed, export speed, both much faster than the competition. I'm using a MBP 2.8GHz.
Plus we get the book making, slide shows, and other "consumer" friendly features that some of the commenters make fun of. You don't have to use those features.
It also integrates your library with your AppleTV, which Lightroom can't do.
Way to go Apple.
I've used LR since 1.0. That was the day I stopped using Aperture. I even bought the A2 upgrade hoping I could use it, but I've been a loyal LR user all the way through ver LR3 beta.
That might change today.
Apple has been listening to pro photographers. Yes, there are some whizzy features like faces that were born in iPhoto, but they're useful in a pro product, too. The GPS tagging will become more useful as our pro gear adds geotagging (need an accessory GPS logging device for the time being).
Here's what trumps Lightroom for now.
Better RAW conversion.
I'm a Canon 7D user and have been disappointed in the Adobe RAW conversion from LR and CameraRAW recently. Reviews starting saying nasty things about the image quality from the 7D. The unkind words were true if you process your RAWs in Lightroom. The files are full of chroma noise above ISO 3200, and just generally noisy above 1600. Turns out it's LR's problem (and CR). If you processed the files in DPP they look much better.
Today I processed some of the same files in A3. IT WAS LIKE I HAD A NEW CAMERA. The chroma noise that was visible at 3200 and above was totally gone (even at 12800). The remaining noise is much lower and smoother and looks like good film grain. The files are DEFINITELY usable all the way to ISO 12800 and have MORE DETAIL than files processed in Canon's own DPP software.
Anybody that says that Apple's RAW conversion is not up to par, doesn't know what they are talking about. It's the best I've seen (which was not the case in the past).
SOFT PROOFING
This is a big deal. For those of us who make a living printing giant images on a variety of paper, canvas, and other media, the ability to soft proof on screen is welcome. LR does not have this -- even in the 3.0 beta. Photoshop has long had the feature.
SPEED
Aperture 3 just cooks. Blows away LR2.6 and Canon DPP in every speed test I threw at it. Import speed, export speed, both much faster than the competition. I'm using a MBP 2.8GHz.
Plus we get the book making, slide shows, and other "consumer" friendly features that some of the commenters make fun of. You don't have to use those features.
It also integrates your library with your AppleTV, which Lightroom can't do.
Way to go Apple.
There's a Mac for that.
My biggest "want" in a photo library app is the ability to keep a parallel library on multiple machines without some goofy workaround. I get tired of having to transfer photos to my wife's iPhoto library and vice-versa. She's always upset that she doesn't have the latest photos on her machine. You would think Apple would recognize this as a common need and build this into iPhoto, but no...
Does Aperture facilitate such a shared arrangement?