Once again, nonsense. Just like has already been discussed, much of the data Google allows you to opt out from their future collection simply isn’t collected by Apple in the first place, so in these cases there’s nothing to opt out of. If it is collected by Apple, it may be end-to-end encrypted (like the Frequent Locations feature or Health data in iCloud); it is only stored in iCloud for syncing across one’s own devices and only accessible by those devices.
…and you proved my point.
No, it can't (be said of Google) — that requires people to know that A) it's happening, B) there is some user control, and C) knowing where those settings are. I can appreciate that for users here that are fairly knowledgeable on deep cut features on many ecosystems but the vast majority don't. The benefit of Apple's approach is that services like these are anonymous from the jump. The downside, however, is that those who DO want to (let's say contribute) to the data pile to make services smarter (like Google has done with Assistant, Maps and other services that Google is Waaaay ahead on), can't turn it on. Personally I'd rather have it anonymous from the jump but I can appreciate Google's approach. I just wish is was off and you can turn it on, rather than the way it is now.
I think it depends on if you take a company's message at face value or not. Apple has had a much better track record on privacy. The Siri Recordings "Red Flag" was something all companies with a Virtual Assistant (Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Samsung and Apple) were found to be doing. What Apple hadn't provided was a way to review and wipe them. They should be called out for that but that Apple should be held to a higher standard when we (who follow tech) all knew that human reviewing is the only way to improve AI is a little hypocritical.
Of course they collect data on you, but with Apple (unlike google) you are not the product. Why do you think the apple ecosystem is top notch, with customer satisfaction very high?
Yes, google deletes your location history to you, not to law enforcement, who can get the information you opted out of, which makes no sense.
They have the best PR dept, because they speak the truth and the company generally walks the walk and talks the talk. However, those that have a conspiracy bent, think that Apple fans are like deer in headlights and do/believe whatever Apple says. That way of thinking tends to be further away the truth of things.
Funny that you feel your first line shows others have no proof...
Unfortunately for MR, this is type of deflection that is so prevalent. When the post can't be discredited, try to discredit the poster. Thumbs down.
They do collect some data (and are pretty transparent about it). But they do not collect your location history like Google does, which is the topic at hand.
You say that as if staking your business on a privacy message was a bad thing. To me it means they have a reputation to lose, which (along with their different business model) makes it more likely that they will actually respect my privacy.
So what exactly was in your decrypted data capture and which options exactly did you disable?
I assume you mean the crow-sourced Wifi location database. Not comparable, because (1) they don't constantly track your location for that, and (2) the information is not linked to you personally. Google's location history is.
They don't remove the data, they only make it invisibile to you. There is a huge difference.
There is no issue here, in my eyes. Contactors are bound to the same privacy and non-disclosure policies as Apple employees. This is the way IT works in the USA. However, to remove any doubt for those hung up on this, Apple made some changes.
Can you provide a source for where the data is removed to be inaccessible to law enforcement? Either the data is removed or not. One of us should be able to provide a citation. I can’t, therefore you should be able to. If you can’t I assume my postulate stands.
I also would like to see a citation that google actually removes the data, rendering the data unusable to law enforcement. This works both ways. I'll bet @V_Man cannot actually produce a citation (and would be flabbergasted if one could be found). Because I think all google data is kept for many years, even if invisible to the consumer.
