Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

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Virtualization Will Be The Predominant Way To Also Use Windows When Necessary

....or shortsighted....

One week ago the father of OSX (Avadis "Avie" Tevanian) leaves the company, and today Macs officially support windows?

I think he left because he knew they are deliberately dumping OSX in favor of Windows

Congratulations FixIt. You win the most ridiculous post in the history of this Forum. You completely miss the point. Moreover this dual boot "solution" is really not the main way Windows will be accessed.

Virtualization will be the main force allowing Windows when necessary to run INSIDE Mac OS X. This capability has nothing to do with Apple abandoning OS X. On the contrary. OS X is now on the launching pad toward major adoption by millions of Windows users who wish they had a Mac.

 

[FixIt]

sure

Congratulations FixIt. You win the most ridiculous post in the history of this Forum. You completely miss the point. Moreover this dual boot "solution" is really not the main way Windows will be accessed.

Virtualization will be the main force allowing Windows when necessary to run INSIDE Mac OS X. This capability has nothing to do with Apple abandoning OS X. On the contrary. OS X is now on the launching pad toward major adoption by millions of Windows users who wish they had a Mac.

I truly think you are daydreaming, and many industry analysts would agree... (are you an ObjecticeC developer? )

 

[nesbitt_a]

Awesome pics! Now show us some with games running! That is if you have any games for windows... Or play games for that matter...

Hey sorry - these screenshots are from flickr. I dont have access to an Intel mac!

 

[MacTruck]

Hello, there,

This is Daniel Terdiman writing. I'm a reporter with CNET News.com.

I'm writing at 10:45 am pacific time Wednesday because I'm doing a story on deadline this morning about the Mac user community's response to Boot Camp.

What I'm looking for at this point is Mac users who are opposed to this news (as I already have a plethora of people who think it's good news). So, if there is some reason that you think this is bad for Apple, for Mac users, for Mac software developers, etc., please contact me at the email address ASAP.

Thanks so much. I look forward to hearing from you.

Daniel Terdiman
Staff Writer
CNET News.com
daniel.terdiman@cnet.com

Ha ha ha. Love it. Got to get the negative side on the news. Anybody ever been interviewed on the news before? Once it hits the TV the story is totally scewed, distorted, and just not true. I have seen this 3 times in my life in person. So you give this guy some negatives and when it airs the story is about how bad this is for apple. Watch.

This is the greatest thing apple has ever done. They have been trying for yrs. Look at the x86 upgrade card in the 6100, floppy drives that read pc discs, pc reading software. Its nothing new, just better.

 

[yac_moda]

Michael Dell is pooping his pants.

Right now.

Mr. Dell is pooping and spewing ...

... and he can't get that RED LINE from his profit charts out of his mind, as it vaults downwards

¡¡¡ THE LONGER HE STAYS IN BUSINESS THE POORER HE GETS !!!

 

[macgeek2005]

Wow. This is going to turn the tables. The forever superior platform will rise to crush the evil of Bill Gates. Three cheers for Steve Jobs, and may he prosper with the tens of billions of dollars he will get within the next few years.

 

[billyboy]

well bloody hell

guess i gotta fork over $3000 for a nice shiny maxed out MBP

Fork out 3000 on a few aapl shares and buy a couple of macbooks in a few months

 

[FixIt]

Dell?

Mr. Dell is pooping and spewing ...

... and he can't get that RED LINE from his profit charts out of his mind, as it vaults downwards

¡¡¡ THE LONGER HE STAYS IN BUSINESS THE POORER HE GETS !!!

No opinion here, facts - look at the balance and income statement number of DELL and Apple and you will see that Mr Dell has plenty to teach our SteveJ

 

[SamJ]

wait most companies port to both platforms right. what will happen if third party companies decide there no point porting to os x and create windows versions of software? will we not be left with pretty much only apple software to run on a somewhat deserted os x, eventually making the os somewhat obsolete?

 

[nesbitt_a]

Hey Nesbitt_a
Does the CPU whine go away when using MS XP ?

As the webpage says, they are not *my* screenshots, I found them on flickr!

 

[wwworry]

Feb 9, 2005 posted by wwworry

Wouldn't it be better for Apple to have windows on a powermac then OS X on an Intel box?

hmmm, half right or half wrong?

 

[milo]

horrible idea. here's why-- this will make macs just as susceptible to the viruses and spyware and stuff that plagues windows. ...STUPID...

Um...no. It won't.

It will change if there aren't any apps for OS X. Nobody is going to buy a Mac to try out OS X thinking they can always boot into Windows if need be. Macs are overpriced if you look at them as Windows boxes.

That's funny. I've seen plenty of posts from people saying exactly that. Macs are overpriced if you plan on never running OSX. They're a good deal if you want two OS's without buying a second box.

But I don't think this will actually help bring long time PC users to the Mac platform nor this will help improve the ignorance of software companies of the Mac platform.

I guess you haven't seen the comments online from long time PC users who said they will get a mac because of this.

 

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Billy Boy

Macworld '07

Bill Gates walks on stage...

Yes, Steve. The best platform to run Windows is on a Mac.

 

[cgc]

10.5 will have virtualization support with Intel VT.
Imagine fast user switching, but with OSes
And it won't be virtualization, but native switching

I think you hit the nail on the head! This is exactly what Apple should do!

 

[billyboy]

Not only formatting the partition but also potentially damaging the EFI information. There is the potential for someone to write a Windows virus specifically targetted towards doing harm to a EFI based Mac that may or not include code to mount a HFS+ filesystem to destroy the files on the OS X side of things.

Highly improbable but still a possibility...

Steve Jobs has pulled another masterstroke allowing the quality to sell his products, ie Rather than saying Windows is a virus ridden heap of .... let people use their favourite OS on a decent but pricey Mac - and if/when Windows is a disaster on a Mac due to a virus, but OS X keeps on trucking, then that will persuade even more people over to OS X.

My fiancee is definitely going to be buying me a new MacBookPro now, but I can see a few tussles till she sees the light and leaves her XP switched off.

 

[menziep]

Macworld '07

Bill Gates walks on stage...

Yes, Steve. The best platform to run Windows is on a Mac.

lol

This will get more switches to the mac

 

[iMeowbot]

Wow. This is going to turn the tables. The forever superior platform will rise to crush the evil of Bill Gates. Three cheers for Steve Jobs, and may he prosper with the tens of billions of dollars he will get within the next few years.

Yes, i can see it now, Steve Ballmer is probably throwing furniture around the Microsoft campus and bellowing "DAGNABBIT! THOUSANDS OF APPLE USERS ARE GOING TO BUY WINDOWS NOW! WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! .. . . Oh wait, we make that."

 

[Foxer]

I'm very excited. I see the concerns of those who worry that mac software development will cease, but I think this is a "down in the weeds" thing that people will only take advantage of if they need it. You'll still have to BUY windows, which ain't cheap.

However, I've already decided to go buy a new intel iMac next month, top replace my rev B iMac G5, since the only thing that has prevented me from working at home is the lack of a Windows machine.

So, there, Apple has already sold at least one machine that they would not otherwise have sold.

 

[FixIt]

wanna bet?

lol

This will get more switches to the mac

In the short term, for sure.
In the medium term, nobody is going to develop for OSX.
If the next OSX provides win support (either via virtualization or decent compatibility box) nobody is going to develop and use OSX native applications in a couple of years.
Wanna bet?

 

[ultra kyu]

So does this mean....

Does this mean we could run non-native pro apps on windows properly? I use adobe cs2, macromedia studio 8, and pro tools. I have to have a laptop before august (for law school) so i can't wait for the apps to go native to make the switch to a mac, but if boot camp can run all my apps fast and with stability, i might just cancel my dell order.

 

[MacTruck]

Yes, i can see it now, Steve Ballmer is probably throwing furniture around the Microsoft campus and bellowing "DAGNABBIT! THOUSANDS OF APPLE USERS ARE GOING TO BUY WINDOWS NOW! WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOMED! .. . . Oh wait, we make that."

HA HA HA. Yes. People don't seem to realize that this is good news for apple and microsoft. People will now buy more macs because they are not restricted. Apple sells a computer then Microsoft sells an OS licensce. Its beauitiful.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

Wow. This is going to turn the tables. The forever superior platform will rise to crush the evil of Bill Gates. Three cheers for Steve Jobs, and may he prosper with the tens of billions of dollars he will get within the next few years.

How is this going to crush Gates? You still will have to buy/use Windows, you still will have to buy/use Windows based software. In all reality I don't know what to think about it, only time will tell. Again, i don't think this will actually help attract a lot of long time Windows users to OS X platform. Apple switched to Intel and basically they have the same user growth as they had for the past 2 years.

Actually I think that iPod made more people switch to OS X than the actual Intel transition (yeah I know iPods have been on the market a lot longer than Intel Macs but the percentages are all the same, no improved growth). people need to remember that it is all about 3rd part software support and in this case Apple definately loses to Windows world.

 

[sonnys]

OMG FORD RELEASED A NEW CAR
OMG NISSAN WILL STOP MAKING CARS
WHY MAKE ANOTHER TYPE OF CAR WHEN A CAR ALREADY EXISTS...

The same reason they make different types of everything BECAUSE PPL WANT TO STILL BUY IT, DUH!

The conclusion you're drawing from your bad analogy makes no sense. Windows, in this regard, is the gas your car runs on. OS X is diesel, available at the minority of pumps across America.

Most people buy gas powered cars because gas is everywhere and they have more options in gas vehicles. If your car ran on both gas AND diesel, you'd probably end up filling up mostly on gas because it's more easily available.

So this real-world analogy also helps to show that Windows on Mac will eventually come at the expense of OS X support unless Apple has something up its sleeve.

 

[fjs08]

>>Which developers are going to "abandon" OS X?<<

I run Office on my mac, and on my PC. I actually like the XP version better. There are a bunch of things I can't do on the Mac version. If Microsoft knows, and obviously they do know, that Office CAN run easily on Mac hardware, why in the world would they double duty and upgrade Office for Mac?? No Windows software writer in his right mind would bother to write programs for 4% of the market when that same 4% can use what the other 96% is using. I firmly believe we'll see a decrease in native OSX software because of this. And I worry that maybe that's what Apple wants????? Just sell boxes and not worry about software???? As an Apple fan from the Apple II days, I'm not sure I like the long term looks of this. And I see to many very happy people on this board about this.
Hummmmm!!!

Frank

 

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All Links To Make Older XP Versions Work Are At Page 23 Post #568

Service Pack 2 only........ What can you do if your PC came with XP SP1 on a CD? Nothing I guess?

You can create a slipstreamed Windows CD that includes SP2.

Remember that OEM versions of Windows that came with PCs are not transferrable to another computer. You can try, and hope that the activation software doesn't catch you. Also, most pre-built Windows PCs have a generic Windows key installed, which means that you could use the actual key on your computer's Windows sticker. I was able to transfer my Windows licence from a Dell to a homebuilt machine just by getting it activated. This is not kosher, but it's not my fault that Dell sold me a crappy noisy machine. At any rate, try it. You might be able to get it activated like I did. You can also get a cheap OEM version of Windows from Newegg for around US$90.

Thanks Kukito. I put all the links to update old XPs on post #568 for doing this including this one.