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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta
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Re fears that development of Mac-native apps will diminish: no way. It will INCREASE because of Boot Camp.
Demand for native Mac apps will increase faster than ever now, and demand drives sales. Developers won't turn away now!
The only way demand for native Mac apps would decrease is if the number of Mac users willing to "settle for Windows" increases FASTER than the overall growth of the Mac OS X user base.
Settling for Windows means rebooting, giving up iLife and all your Mac apps, abandoning the security and ease of use of OS X, and--don't forget--PAYING for a copy of Windows. That's too much to settle for unless you have to. And then you'll do it only WHEN you have to. Not by choice. You will still demand OS X and OS X apps.
So I see the number of Mac users willing to settle for Windows being VERY small, increased only slightly by people now choosing Boot Camp Macs for their next "PC." (A great many of them will end up using Mac OS X even if that wasn't their intent at first.)
Meanwhile I see the overall Mac user base growing a LOT--and growing even more because Boot Camp gives switchers a reassuring safety net.
Result: more Mac OS X users, more Mac OS X apps. Not less.
Also, the smart buying plan for Windows Vista fans is now clear for 2006: You can't buy a Vista PC this year, so don't waste your money on XP, buy a PC that doesn't have Windows at all--a Mac--and enjoy it until Vista arrives
You get the best of all worlds... and you may find you don't care so much about Vista after all...
Demand for native Mac apps will increase faster than ever now, and demand drives sales. Developers won't turn away now!
The only way demand for native Mac apps would decrease is if the number of Mac users willing to "settle for Windows" increases FASTER than the overall growth of the Mac OS X user base.
Settling for Windows means rebooting, giving up iLife and all your Mac apps, abandoning the security and ease of use of OS X, and--don't forget--PAYING for a copy of Windows. That's too much to settle for unless you have to. And then you'll do it only WHEN you have to. Not by choice. You will still demand OS X and OS X apps.
So I see the number of Mac users willing to settle for Windows being VERY small, increased only slightly by people now choosing Boot Camp Macs for their next "PC." (A great many of them will end up using Mac OS X even if that wasn't their intent at first.)
Meanwhile I see the overall Mac user base growing a LOT--and growing even more because Boot Camp gives switchers a reassuring safety net.
Result: more Mac OS X users, more Mac OS X apps. Not less.
Also, the smart buying plan for Windows Vista fans is now clear for 2006: You can't buy a Vista PC this year, so don't waste your money on XP, buy a PC that doesn't have Windows at all--a Mac--and enjoy it until Vista arrives
You get the best of all worlds... and you may find you don't care so much about Vista after all...
fjs08 said:
You have a point. But I see windows and OSX merging in the next 10 yrs. Somebody is going to buy somebody out. You'll see. Then we will have peace and harmony... ummm and viruses.
sonnys said:
I haven't read all of the last 27 pages, but Apple's allowing to run Windows on Mac hardware isn't going to kill OS X. For OS X "purists", this really doesn't change anything. For Windows users, it allows them to take the leap to a new Operating System while still allowing them to run legacy or one-off applications on the machine they just bought.
To me, this is a win-win scenario. The only thing better, in some regards, is for a fully-functional virtualization application (VirtualPC/VMWare/etc) that will allow me to run Windows within OS X. Until that day comes, I'll dedicate 15GB of my hard drive to Windows on my MacBook Pro for the times I need Windows. I just wish I didn't have to reboot to get there.
Ever wondered what Apple are planning to do with their stash of 8 billion na drising? How about buying up or "persuading" the important software houses to keep up the good work on OS X platform???FixIt said:
nagromme said:Re fears that development of Mac-native apps will diminish: no way. It will INCREASE because of Boot Camp.
Demand for native Mac apps will increase faster than ever now, and demand drives sales. Developers won't turn away now!
The only way demand for native Mac apps would decrease is if the number of Mac users willing to "settle for Windows" increases FASTER than the overall growth of the Mac OS X user base.
Settling for Windows means rebooting, giving up iLife and all your Mac apps, abandoning the security and ease of use of OS X, and--don't forget--PAYING for a copy of Windows. That's too much to settle for unless you have to. And then you'll do it only WHEN you have to. Not by choice. You will still demand OS X and OS X apps.
So I see the number of Mac users willing to settle for Windows being VERY small, increased only slightly by people now choosing Boot Camp Macs for their next "PC." (A great many of them will end up using Mac OS X even if that wasn't their intent at first.)
Meanwhile I see the overall Mac user base growing a LOT--and growing even more because Boot Camp gives switchers a reassuring safety net.
Result: more Mac OS X users, more Mac OS X apps. Not less.
Also, the smart buying plan for Windows Vista fans is now clear for 2006: You can't buy a Vista PC this year, so don't waste your money on XP, buy a PC that doesn't have Windows at all--a Mac--and enjoy it until Vista arrives
If you ever developed a business case on how much it costs to develop or port an application from a platform to another you would clearly see how wrong you are....
oingoboingo said:
Watch out, I think this is a huge concern. I plan to start using Boot Camp just to play Civ IV and Half Life 2. Why on earth would I buy a Mac version that comes out months to a year later? There is no incentive for waiting to purchase a Mac version of games if you're already running it on XP.
Just to be clear, are you suggesting that ease is a reason why Mac users will voluntarily give up Mac OS X and settle for Windows?sonnys said:
Your analogy doesn't work because gas and diesel both do the same thing: they make your car go forward the same way.
Windows and Mac OS X are not so similar! "Settling" for Windows comes at a severe price. You give up too much. It's not good enough for most people who have tried both.
FixIt said:
Not at all. It ALREADY makes business sense to make Mac apps, which is why we ALREADY have them. So then the only question left is, will it make more sense or less in future? Will Mac apps sell in larger numbers or smaller? And my post explained why they Mac apps sell in larger numbers in future than today.
nagromme said:
Yes. More Mac sales= more Apps. The more Mac users there are the more economicial it is to port universal binary applications.
Boot-up Icons
As a graphic design, I hope there'll be a way to change the icons at the Boot Select screen to Corp Logos. I guess Apple couldn't put the Windows logo on without permission and YOU KNOW, they aren't wanting to ask permission to do shizz.
Can you imagine the legal powwows Jobs has been having with his Legal Department this past year? Apple vs. Apple and now Apple vs. Microsoft.
Though, really... this can only help M$. Hopefully, they won't try to circumvent this dual boot situation in the upcoming Vista. However, considering they have to be compatible with a Billion computers out there, they can't really afford to try to lock out a few macs as it might affect all the regular PCs.
As a graphic design, I hope there'll be a way to change the icons at the Boot Select screen to Corp Logos. I guess Apple couldn't put the Windows logo on without permission and YOU KNOW, they aren't wanting to ask permission to do shizz.
Can you imagine the legal powwows Jobs has been having with his Legal Department this past year? Apple vs. Apple and now Apple vs. Microsoft.
Though, really... this can only help M$. Hopefully, they won't try to circumvent this dual boot situation in the upcoming Vista. However, considering they have to be compatible with a Billion computers out there, they can't really afford to try to lock out a few macs as it might affect all the regular PCs.
FJS08 and FixIt,
You have a point, and that has been my fear for a while, but I think that it is a race between developers dropping their support for the Mac platform and adoption of the Mac platform by the general public. Which slope is going to be steeper? Only time will tell, but my gut instinct is that this will bring more people over and developers aren't going anywhere just yet.
Now, I want to see BootCamp as a virtualization technology and not this cludgy dual boot system.
You have a point, and that has been my fear for a while, but I think that it is a race between developers dropping their support for the Mac platform and adoption of the Mac platform by the general public. Which slope is going to be steeper? Only time will tell, but my gut instinct is that this will bring more people over and developers aren't going anywhere just yet.
Now, I want to see BootCamp as a virtualization technology and not this cludgy dual boot system.
Wellllllll........is this rich or what
I am a former Mac user, yes I said former. Steve said, hey no new powerbooks for at least a year, I sold my old one and bought the last PPC powerbook, then he comes up with Macbook pro, but it does not do Windows, I need Windows for my job.
So I say, what is my brand new shiny powerbook (yes small letter) going to be worth in 6 months? I decide to sell my new powerbook for a new Macbook Pro, but wait, we don't do Windows! So, I wait and read and wait and read and NO Windows!
I go out and buy a new dual core Windows notebook, very NICE, fast, excellent video, I am happy again right, NO, now we got a FREE way to do Windows, what the HELL is this company thinking about. I want a Mac and now I am stuck with a Windows PC.
I am so P**sed off at Apple it is not funny! Can't they get anything right! Ya, well if you want a person who does not like this new feature of Apple, here is one!
Everytime I turn around, they are doing something to bring their system up to todays standards and they are a day late and a $ short.
I love Mac OSx, but I am not ade out of money like Steve. When they are going to do something, they need to do it right the first time and quick piece mealing it out. They need to get their head out of their **s (ipods) and make their real product the right way!
But, I will calm down now and come to the realization that Apple has come to, the world LIVES on Windows and now Macs do too!
Former Mac lover and user!
I am a former Mac user, yes I said former. Steve said, hey no new powerbooks for at least a year, I sold my old one and bought the last PPC powerbook, then he comes up with Macbook pro, but it does not do Windows, I need Windows for my job.
So I say, what is my brand new shiny powerbook (yes small letter) going to be worth in 6 months? I decide to sell my new powerbook for a new Macbook Pro, but wait, we don't do Windows! So, I wait and read and wait and read and NO Windows!
I go out and buy a new dual core Windows notebook, very NICE, fast, excellent video, I am happy again right, NO, now we got a FREE way to do Windows, what the HELL is this company thinking about. I want a Mac and now I am stuck with a Windows PC.
I am so P**sed off at Apple it is not funny! Can't they get anything right! Ya, well if you want a person who does not like this new feature of Apple, here is one!
Everytime I turn around, they are doing something to bring their system up to todays standards and they are a day late and a $ short.
I love Mac OSx, but I am not ade out of money like Steve. When they are going to do something, they need to do it right the first time and quick piece mealing it out. They need to get their head out of their **s (ipods) and make their real product the right way!
But, I will calm down now and come to the realization that Apple has come to, the world LIVES on Windows and now Macs do too!
Former Mac lover and user!
billyboy said:
In corporate america, if you have an excess cash buildup either you distribute it as a dividend or retain the earnings for growth (in a profitable way...)
This kind of persuasion is not feasible I am afraid, unless you want to invest/buy them out. But it does not seem like Apple is making great money with its SW products... it is a HW shop, really. SW has the purpose of keeping the HW business going, and differentiate it
bluefire75 said:
Good for you but some people need windows only software, this product is for them and not you.
sonnys said:
But you side stepped certain issues, won't people go looking for diesel because of the benfits it provides and if they actually decide they like it better? ie, they create a greater demand for it.
And it's not like there isn't a diesel pump for 100 of miles around anyway. Diesel is only a click or two away for anyone who is connected to the Internet.
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IMO this whole thing would only be bad for Apple/Apple users if Windows was streets ahead of it [insert your own conclusions here]. Apple wants XP and OS X to go head to head because they are so confident people will like it better.
amac4me said:Today's news is validation of my views.
Can anyone say INCREASED MARKETSHARE
Woohoo, 8%, here we come!
Windows and OS X are similar. Matter of fact, Linux, Windows, OS X, KDE are all similar.
nagromme said:
It wasn't a waste of time
I really don't have the time to read through the whole thread, but it seems like many people think the 3rd party attempts to get Windows running on a Mac was a waste of time.
Well, what if that actually was the final push for Apple to actually enable the feature themselves. I really don't see this as a bad thing: OSX still comes with every Mac and in addition, you have the chance to run also Windows on it.
I really don't have the time to read through the whole thread, but it seems like many people think the 3rd party attempts to get Windows running on a Mac was a waste of time.
Well, what if that actually was the final push for Apple to actually enable the feature themselves. I really don't see this as a bad thing: OSX still comes with every Mac and in addition, you have the chance to run also Windows on it.
mygoldens said:I am a former Mac user, yes I said former. Steve said, hey no new powerbooks for at least a year, I sold my old one and bought the last PPC powerbook, then he comes up with Macbook pro, but it does not do Windows, I need Windows for my job.
So I say, what is my brand new shiny powerbook (yes small letter) going to be worth in 6 months? I decide to sell my new powerbook for a new Macbook Pro, but wait, we don't do Windows! So, I wait and read and wait and read and NO Windows!
I go out and buy a new dual core Windows notebook, very NICE, fast, excellent video, I am happy again right, NO, now we got a FREE way to do Windows, what the HELL is this company thinking about. I want a Mac and now I am stuck with a Windows PC.
I am so P**sed off at Apple it is not funny! Can't they get anything right! Ya, well if you want a person who does not like this new feature of Apple, here is one!
Everytime I turn around, they are doing something to bring their system up to todays standards and they are a day late and a $ short.
I love Mac OSx, but I am not ade out of money like Steve. When they are going to do something, they need to do it right the first time and quick piece mealing it out. They need to get their head out of their **s (ipods) and make their real product the right way!
But, I will calm down now and come to the realization that Apple has come to, the world LIVES on Windows and now Macs do too!
Former Mac lover and user!
Yep, when dealing with Apple waiting is the best solution. I am waiting till 2010. Oh what great macs there will be then.
Multimedia said:Link To What Firmware Update Are You Writing About Please? You made that post like starting in the middle of a sentence. What firmware update are you writing about and where can we get it for what hardware that needs to have firmware update applied to it??
You mean there is a firmware updater for all the MacIntels? LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION please?
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
iMac (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0 (2.8MB)
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imacearly2006firmwareupdate10.html
MacBook Pro (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0 (2.8MB)
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macbookproearly2006firmwareupdate10.html
Mac mini (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0 (2.8MB)
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macminiearly2006firmwareupdate10.html
Firmware Restoration CD v 1.0 (8.7MB)
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/firmwarerestorationcdv10.html
If Steve Jobs wasn't alive right now, he would be rolling over in his grave. ...This was totally unexpected and out of the blue! No wonder they postponed this from April 1st. Everybody would have thought this to be a joke if they announced it then.
Anyway, I hope this doesn't mean bad things for Apple in the future. I want my software on OSX not Windows. I have an iMac Core Duo and would consider trying this. However, I would rather run Windows in a virtual and/or protected environment. The only Windows app "I need" is Access. I would also like to try out some games...but I would definitely rather play the games, native, on OSX.
...This was totally unexpected and out of the blue! No wonder they postponed this from April 1st. Everybody would have thought this to be a joke if they announced it then. Anyway, I hope this doesn't mean bad things for Apple in the future. I want my software on OSX not Windows. I have an iMac Core Duo and would consider trying this. However, I would rather run Windows in a virtual and/or protected environment. The only Windows app "I need" is Access. I would also like to try out some games...but I would definitely rather play the games, native, on OSX.