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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

wnurse said:
umm... the mini is not a competitor to dell low end computers. Sorry.
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I didn't say it was. I said that Apple's market overlaps with Dell's. And it does.
 
Wow, Apple creates a way to operate your Mac hardware in the worst possible fashion.

I could have sworn gamers bought pc's.
 
You're not making any sense, quit while you are ahead.
shrimpdesign said:
By your logic, Al Gore works at Apple.

Board of directors does not equal a job. Jobs has a lot of shares, and a postition on the board of directors, but he doesn't have "job" at Disney.
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man2525 said:
Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Startup and Recovery -> Settings -> System Failure -> Automatically Restart (Checked by Default).

Still laughing?
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I REALLY don't see your point. You make a big deal out of the fact that XP reboots by default in case of system failure. What are you exactly trying to prove here? That XP is unstable? "oooh oooh! Look here! Thsi setting proves thaT Windows is unstable!". How does that particular setting "prove" that? Like I said, I don't see mysterious reboots here.

And I don't know about you, but I would rather have the system reboot automatically, than to show me a cryptic error-message that doesn't help me at all.

Just waiting for Photorun to appear and start his foaming-at-the-mouth tirade against Windows and anyone who says ANYTHING positive about Windows....
 
Got my Intel Mac mini's BIOS updated... installed Boot Camp Beta... and now I'm installing Windows Vista 5342 on it. :) We'll see how it goes.

(Yes, I know that the Boot Camp Beta says "Windows XP SP-2 *only*. But there's no reason I can think of offhand why this shouldn't work. If the machine can run Windows XP, it can run Windows Vista. Setup started and it's working its way through...)
 
munkees said:
Do you think Micorsoft will stop developing Office for MAc?
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I doubt it. After all, boot camp is for those who need Win for something, rather than everything. What mac-user is going to restart their computer just to open up Word? I wouldn't. I'd rather grab iWork and get Pages up and running.

I see all of this as a Good thing. OS X can't lose out on this - Apple sells experiences, not boxes :)
 
Apple is officially a hardware company now!

https://forums.macrumors.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Macophiles will continue with the Mac platform. It has not changed before and it will not change in the future. Once a person experiences the complete Apple package experience, they are converted for life.

To me this definitely answers the question of whether Apple is a hardware or software company. MacTels will bring in a lot more new users to the hardware first, then later, as they experience the software part of the Mac, they will start to use the MacOS as much or more than Windows. Have yet to talk to a person at my office today who is not going to buy a MacTel instead of a WinTel computer in the near future.

Virtual PC will be gone immediately. Much later maybe even Microsoft Office for the Mac. But Apple has software solutions for this now with Apple Boot and Keynote and iWork. Other software companies like Quicken will probably jump the Mac ship for good in the coming years as the PPC platform dwindles.

Macophiles that buy low end WinTel computers to run productivity software like ACT! and Quickbooks (even though Quickbooks is available for the Mac) will no longer have to do so. Professionals who work on Windows only will turn to the Mac plaform for Mac specific programs like FCP Studio when the desktop MacTels arrive.

This move was inevitable the moment SJ moved to Intel. The question has been answered, SJ did learn from past mistakes of making Apple too closed for other users to experience. But he is doing it through hardware, not software. It is now a matter of balance. Keep hackers from opening MacOS in non Apple hardware. Continue to develop unique Mac software experiences (I bet the next pro app will be a pro version of iWeb). Keep the competition guessing by staying light years ahead of the competition.

This is a very good day for Apple. Michael Dell must be really pissed indeed :)
 
hoppo99 said:
Maybe Apple is doing this to drive Pro Mac sales. Now professionals can run apps such as Photoshop natively on the Intel hardware and can switch back to OS X when the univeral versions are ready... ;)

How long will it be before XCode can compile for Windows?! A truly Universal app! :D
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Now that's something I had not pondered. Provide a set of "OS X" runtime libraries for XP as a free download! I'm not familiar enough with the strata of the OS X operating system to know which layers would be necessary to support application execution, but it shouldn't be formidable.

Suddenly a developer can write software for both platforms as long as certain features instrinsic to OS X or Macintosh are not needed.

If only Apple would move past Objective-C...
 
clayj said:
(Yes, I know that the Boot Camp Beta says "Windows XP SP-2 *only*. But there's no reason I can think of offhand why this shouldn't work. If the machine can run Windows XP, it can run Windows Vista. Setup started and it's working its way through...)
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Do you think you'll run into any driver issues clayj?

Let us know how it goes! :)
 
For those too narrow-minded to see the big picture, from Engadget:
According to Mossberg (who was able to sneak a copy out of Cupertino a few days ago), after installing Boot Camp and Windows on an Intel iMac, Windows ran "blazingly fast," and all of the apps he tested ran "flawlessly." Mossberg put the install time -- including both installing Boot Camp itself and running the usual Windows installer -- at 57 minutes, 40 of which were claimed by the Windows setup program. Despite being generally pleased, Mossberg did find a few glitches, including having to reset the clock every time Windows is booted (apparently the system clock used by the iMac isn't recognized by Windows) and not being able to use Apple's iSight camera. All in all, however, Mossberg summed things up with what may soon become Apple's new tagline: "Whether you want to run Mac or Windows programs, an Apple computer may be the only computer you'll need."
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Should Microsoft release "Microsoft Windows XP - Gaming Edition" for intel Macs?

No Internet Explorer, no Windows Media Player, no nothing. Just enough to install and play games. It could make for a rock-solid Windows version too (remove all possible security holes that aren't needed for a gaming system).

And price it so that people will actually buy it. Maybe the same price as a game, i.e. 50$ US?
 
I've noticed that torrent files for Windows XP have jumped up a huge amount after this announcement, lol.....:p
 
Yvan256 said:
Should Microsoft release "Microsoft Windows XP - Gaming Edition" for intel Macs?

No Internet Explorer, no Windows Media Player, no nothing. Just enough to install and play games. It could make for a rock-solid Windows version too (remove all possible security holes that aren't needed for a gaming system).

And price it so that people will actually buy it. Maybe the same price as a game, i.e. 50$ US?
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There are already torrents available for cut down versions of XP aimed at gamers.

Then use your own serial number. You'll need retail version not OEM serial.
 
Yes, I think the biggest point that needs to be made about this whole topic is this:

Apple Computers are the only computers that can run Mac OS X, Windows XP, Linux, and Unix NATIVELY. No other computer in the world can claim that. Even if you won't ever run Windows, isn't it nice to know that you have that POWERFUL capability to run multiple OSes?
 
Yvan256 said:
Should Microsoft release "Microsoft Windows XP - Gaming Edition" for intel Macs?

No Internet Explorer, no Windows Media Player, no nothing. Just enough to install and play games. It could make for a rock-solid Windows version too (remove all possible security holes that aren't needed for a gaming system).

And price it so that people will actually buy it. Maybe the same price as a game, i.e. 50$ US?
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They offer that already. It's called XBox.
 
gleepskip said:
Now that's something I had not pondered. Provide a set of "OS X" runtime libraries for XP as a free download! I'm not familiar enough with the strata of the OS X operating system to know which layers would be necessary to support application execution, but it shouldn't be formidable.

Suddenly a developer can write software for both platforms as long as certain features instrinsic to OS X or Macintosh are not needed.
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There's already some parts already installed on a lot of Windows computers. Aren't Quicktime and iTunes features accessible by other programs?
 
Well assuming that this annocement doesn't squelch supply, I'll have my MBP by the end of the month (or beginning of next month). I am basically going to try it out just because I can.

I can't think of one good reason to use XP other than to show it off to to people I know.

"Hey, check this out..."
 
clayj said:
Well, it's certainly a possibility. Like I said, I guess we'll find out. It is installing rather slowly... but it's still going.
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Clay: I think you'll find that all of the Apple Drivers that Boot Camp provides will work except the video....take a trip to the ATI site for that one......they have a driver for the vista beta.
 
Jobs is a genius. Y'know the saying, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"? Jobs has done exactly that here. Once those PC users start switching in droves they'll realize what an amazing OS we have and will wonder why they were ever using windows in the first place. Then devs will be forced to make the few PC only staples, that even some of us Mac loyalist need to run for work or whatever, for both platforms. By giving Windows users a 'risk free' opportunity to try OSX while keeping their windows safety net underneath, You let a group of people experience the far superior Apple solution, who otherwise wouldn't because of a humans natural instinct to avoid change. I've not slept in 42 hrs...
 
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