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As each day passes my interest in this phone wanes.
Apple should fire whomever was so inept to assume the demand for the Black Plus models would be lower than it is.
A quick look at any Istocknow chart shows an abundance of 7s and almost no Pluses .. let alone the Black models.
What a colossal fail by Apple.

.... just ... wow.
 
As each day passes my interest in this phone wanes.
Apple should fire whomever was so inept to assume the demand for the Black Plus models would be lower than it is.
A quick look at any Istocknow chart shows an abundance of 7s and almost no Pluses .. let alone the Black models.
What a colossal fail by Apple.

.... just ... wow.


As any long time iPhone owners will tell you and you may even be one yourself, this is normal, it happens with every single iPhone release.

There's only so many they can possibly make and there's tens of millions of us all around the world in the same situation, waiting on new devices being manufactured.

They have to make a certain amount of each model to fulfill demand. That there's more demand for certain models doesn't mean they didn't consider that. Particularly this year with the dual cameras making the Plus models that little more appealing over the standard iPhone 7.

But sadly the demand for a phone doesn't mean they can magically increase the production capacity of the component suppliers or of the assembly lines. There's a physical limit to how many can actually be produced.

They will adjust the assembly process as best they can to accommodate the varying demands of particular models. But it still doesn't get around the maximum capacity of production.

So we wait, impatiently, while Apple try and get as many phones into the hands of eager customers as they can.
 
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As each day passes my interest in this phone wanes.
Apple should fire whomever was so inept to assume the demand for the Black Plus models would be lower than it is.
A quick look at any Istocknow chart shows an abundance of 7s and almost no Pluses .. let alone the Black models.
What a colossal fail by Apple.

.... just ... wow.
You created an account just to say that? Priorities man.

Anyway, has anything else *other* than Portrait mode been noticed in this beta?? Surely there's something - it's a large download.
 
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yeah I am a long time user ... it just seems every release there's a major misstep in anticipating demand ... short supply of Gold a few years ago, short supply of Rose last year, now short supply of Black.

These people are supposed to be marketing whizes and they can't anticipate demand?

i dunno.
[doublepost=1474648737][/doublepost]"You created an account just to say that? Priorities man."

-- yes, hitting the "log in using Facebook" was an arduously long process (rolls eyes)
 
yeah I am a long time user ... it just seems every release there's a major misstep in anticipating demand ... short supply of Gold a few years ago, short supply of Rose last year, now short supply of Black.

These people are supposed to be marketing whizes and they can't anticipate demand?

i dunno.
[doublepost=1474648737][/doublepost]"You created an account just to say that? Priorities man."

-- yes, hitting the "log in using Facebook" was an arduously long process (rolls eyes)


Again though there's a reason this happens with every single iPhone. It's the manufacturing capacity. Short of every manufacturer involved building more production lines for every component and assembly process, they simply just can't make enough of them to satisfy the demand.

It might seem that there's much higher availability of some models, but those will sell as well. They just aren't selling quite as quickly as other models. So no matter how they allocate the manufacturing priorities, there's going to be initial shortages of some devices.

It's why they become more readily available as time goes on. The initial massive demand dies down a bit as the early adopters get their devices and the production can finally keep up with the demand.

It's no different from say, Sony or Microsoft releasing their new consoles and not everyone who wants one getting it in the launch window, they just can't make enough of them fast enough.
 
I'm running the 10.1 public beta and I am mostly impressed by it. Yes, it will occasionally mess up on the edges of an object - especially if something in the background is peeking out from behind your subject, it may accidentally think they are one object and not apply the blur. It also requires a lot of light.

But I see it as a nice tool that I will use as frequently as HDR, panorama, and flash (which produce their own problems but can be useful in certain situations). Even if you're not aiming for perfect portraits, it's useful for isolating a subject against a busy background. Leaving the normal picture in the camera roll is a smart safety net for real-world events. If someone asks me to take their picture, I'll switch to Portrait mode and see how it turns out. If not, give them the regular pic.
 
Huawei P8 in night mode without editing:

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And I'm sad, that iPhone are not able to do this.

That's a nice photo, but what's missing in the EXIF data is how long the exposure is.

At f/2.0 and ISO 100, ANY recent camera (iPhone, Galaxy, Nikon DSLR, etc.) -- can take that photo if the shutter is open long enough. Going further, NO camera could have taken this at f/2.0 and ISO 100 at a regular hand-held shutter speed, like 1/60 sec. Something else is going on here, or the photo was taken with a tripod or other stabilizing device and the shutter speed was something like 1/2 or 1/4 second.
 
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That's a nice photo, but what's missing in the EXIF data is how long the exposure is.

At f/2.0 and ISO 100, ANY recent camera (iPhone, Galaxy, Nikon DSLR, etc.) -- can take that photo if the shutter is open long enough. Going further, NO camera could have taken this at f/2.0 and ISO 100 at a regular hand-held shutter speed, like 1/60 sec. Something else is going on here, or the photo was taken with a tripod or other stabilizing device and the shutter speed was something like 1/2 or 1/4 second.

I used Google Photos for the EXIF data. Here is the rest. And for sure was used long exposure as I always making pictures at night and when you are using longer time, you need to stabilize the phone for it.

ExposureTime: 10.005628

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Main point, why I posted it it isn't to be visible here, but the fact, that I tried it with 6s Plus and results were insane, like when you have 1.2M pixel camera.
 
How is the actually quality of the beta? I just started using my ip7+ and I don't want to download a crappy running beta. Any issues?
 
I used Google Photos for the EXIF data. Here is the rest. And for sure was used long exposure as I always making pictures at night and when you are using longer time, you need to stabilize the phone for it.

ExposureTime: 10.005628

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Main point, why I posted it it isn't to be visible here, but the fact, that I tried it with 6s Plus and results were insane, like when you have 1.2M pixel camera.


Pretty strange that the resoluton of this shot is NOT the resolution of the GRA-09 hmmm..
8MP vs 12MP
And please don't tell me you digitally zoomed a night shot at ISO 100... That's not really serious.
The only advantage that camera has is OIS and that won't make much difference on a tripod
This is probably a faked EXIF or screen shot.
That shot was probably taken with some other camera. Yes, I'm calling you out.
 
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Pretty strange that the resoluton of this shot is NOT the resolution of the GRA-09 hmmm..
8MP vs 12MP
And please don't tell me you digitally zoomed a night shot at ISO 100... That's not really serious.
The only advantage that camera has is OIS and that won't make much difference on a tripod
This is probably a faked EXIF or screen shot.
That shot was probably taken with some other camera. Yes, I'm calling you out.

It's your opinion. If you think that I'm liar it's your choice. Read the specifications first before you'll judge someone.

https://goo.gl/photos/7GaR13bRhEP3JTZQ6
 



Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming iOS 10 update to public beta testers for testing purposes, just under two weeks after releasing iOS 10 to the public and one day after providing the iOS 10.1 beta to developers.

Beta testers who have signed up for Apple's beta testing program will receive the iOS 10 beta update over-the-air after installing the proper certificate on their iOS device.

Those who want to be a part of Apple's beta testing program can sign up to participate through the beta testing website, which gives users access to both iOS and macOS Sierra betas. Betas are not stable and include many bugs, so they should be installed on a secondary device.

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iOS 10.1 introduces a "Portrait" mode for the iPhone 7 Plus, which was first shown off when the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus debuted on September 7. Portrait mode is designed to mimic the kind of shallow depth of field images that can be taken with a high-end DSLR, with a front subject that stands out over a blurred background.

The two cameras in the iPhone 7 Plus capture images, which are scanned by the built-in image signal processor. Machine learning techniques are use to recognize people and/or foreground images, keeping people and main objects in while applying an artful blue or "bokeh" to the background.

Portrait mode is an iPhone 7 Plus-only feature because it requires two images to create a depth map. iOS 10.1 also likely includes bug fixes and behind-the-scenes updates to address issues that have popped up since release.

iOS 10 offers features like a redesigned Lock screen, a Siri SDK to allow third-party apps to integrate with Siri, and a completely overhauled Messages app with stickers, a full App Store, Digital Touch, Bubble Effects, and more. Other new additions include a dedicated "Home" app for HomeKit users, new facial and object recognition capabilities in Photos, and redesigned Maps and Apple Music apps.

Article Link: Apple Releases First iOS 10.1 Beta to Public Beta Testers With Portrait Mode for iPhone 7 Plus
[doublepost=1474749445][/doublepost]So what I'm getting from this is that there is no point to downloading 10.1 unless you have a 7 plus, and certainly not if you have a 6 plus like I do.
 
Any body else having problems with Apppe Pay won't work for me tried three places today all failed would not recognise just get screen with card
 
Huawei P8 in night mode without editing:
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And I'm sad, that iPhone are not able to do this.

Partly true - it's hard to do this with the stock camera app... But mostly false - you just need a 3rd party app (many are free) that enable you to set the ISO and shutter speed, which you've done here.

I used Google Photos for the EXIF data. Here is the rest. And for sure was used long exposure as I always making pictures at night and when you are using longer time, you need to stabilize the phone for it.

ExposureTime: 10.005628

Main point, why I posted it it isn't to be visible here, but the fact, that I tried it with 6s Plus and results were insane, like when you have 1.2M pixel camera.

99% of people are not going to do what you've done and use some tripod or other form of camera stabilization. The reason they probably didn't look good is probably because you didn't turn off Live Photos (on by default); the max shutter speed would have been 1/12 sec (because Live Photos are 12 frames/sec), which would drive ISO (and noise) way up… and it wouldn't look very good. Otherwise, they'd look just as good.
 
Partly true - it's hard to do this with the stock camera app... But mostly false - you just need a 3rd party app (many are free) that enable you to set the ISO and shutter speed, which you've done here.



99% of people are not going to do what you've done and use some tripod or other form of camera stabilization. The reason they probably didn't look good is probably because you didn't turn off Live Photos (on by default); the max shutter speed would have been 1/12 sec (because Live Photos are 12 frames/sec), which would drive ISO (and noise) way up… and it wouldn't look very good. Otherwise, they'd look just as good.

You're right. I played around and bought couple of apps for manual settings and result isn't so bad.

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iPhone 6s Plus

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Huawei P8
 
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