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I’m shocked they did this before the new iPhones tomorrow. There will be thousands who aren’t used to betas who will update then be confused or upset tomorrow when they have to set up their phone as new and then install the public beta profile in order to transfer their data from their old phone. They should have waited until Monday to release this as a public beta. Those of us on developer beta who are using it on our daily driver know not to upgrade this week.
Is it really such a big deal to update the new phone before transferring/restoring anything? I mean, it doesn’t exactly seem like rocket science…
 
I’m shocked they did this before the new iPhones tomorrow. There will be thousands who aren’t used to betas who will update then be confused or upset tomorrow when they have to set up their phone as new and then install the public beta profile in order to transfer their data from their old phone. They should have waited until Monday to release this as a public beta. Those of us on developer beta who are using it on our daily driver know not to upgrade this week.
That’s not how it works anymore. The phone knows to update BEFORE letting a user restore from backup. It’s slick and easy.
 
That millions of iPhones with active clean energy charging will make difference.

And you can sell your old iPhone to offset carbon emisdions of upgrading every year. So this feature does make sense.
Literally makes zero difference. They still get charged. The electricity still gets consumed.
 
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Looks like the circle weather widget with the smaller temperature at the bottom center, is still off by one pixel. It’s 1 pixel too far to the left (the numbers). Super irritating to my OCD tendencies, I can’t even use it. Also I’m not sure if paranoid or not but I think the battery number for the iP11 might be one pixel to the left too.

Edit: it isn’t that it’s necessarily off by a pixel but it’s centered and not given consideration for the temperature symbol. So it centers with that included which pushes the numbers off to the side 1 pixel and it just looks awkward.
 
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A lifetime of charging an iPhone using renewable sources is but a drop in the ocean compared to the energy used to manufacture and ship the phone to the end user (*). As someone mentioned before, why are consumers always made to feel guilty when the manufacturing industry is let off so lightly?

"It's made in China so it doesn't count". 😂

(*) my gut tells me this is true, but I have no data to back it up 🙂
 
12 Mini owner here. Wondering about the possible impact on battery life of installing the new OS.
Battery life seems a bit worse than 16.0 RC here on 13 mini, but perhaps it’s too early to tell. Wi-fi/cellular signal strength do seem improved but I think the 12 series modems may have regressed in their firmware whereas the 13s advanced, but hey! Maybe the new (old) version is better?
 
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I consider myself fairly environmentally conscious and even I think the clean charging feature is silly. Smartphones are such a tiny percentage of the world's power usage that this isn't likely to make a noticeable difference.

Such a feature makes a lot more sense on electric vehicles or other equipment that actually consumes a significant amount of energy.

The whole thing smells like Apple trying to win brownie points with very little effort. It feels disingenuous and actually harmful to the green energy movement.
 
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Hopefully they include something to sort out the horrible notification system like giving us the choice not to have to swipe up to see the Notification Center.
Really! I’m so sick of missing notifications because they’re hidden in the invisible notification area now. They should show a ghosted edge or something so you know there is more down there and naturally swipe up to read them.
 
Speaking of creepy and oppressive corporate greenwashing, do we yet know what ‘Carbon Analytics’ under Privacy > Location Services > System Services does?
 
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It takes zero effort to do your part, however minimal it might seem, and use Clean Energy Charging. I think it's a great feature.
If you can explain how anyone's iPhone knows which electric utility they are on and knows when that utility is supplying "Clean Energy" (if they even do) then I won't accuse you of being nuts. Deal?

Or maybe, it's a fake toggle to make me "feel good" that I am doing my part to save the planet?
 
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And you can sell your old iPhone to offset carbon emisdions of upgrading every year. So this feature does make sense.
Buy a new phone every six months and you could offset twice as much carbon emissions. 🤣

Carbon (CO2) offsetting is not carbon reduction. It is buying permission to produce more carbon.
 
Multiply electrical consumption by millions of devices, and it adds up.

It's not just about your one device. Apple has over 1.8 billion active iOS devices, and this will have an even greater impact on world-wide energy grids as existing devices are updated and upgraded.
Yup, It's small steps like these that do help us head in the right direction. Drastic changes are massively difficult to do at the scale of society. I'll take small steps over no steps any day.
 
If they really cared about the environment, they wouldn’t release phones every single year…

Apple releases new iPhones every year because of the money is there. Extending the release cycle is not going to make a meaningful difference in their carbon footprint. It just means that once every 2 years, you have twice as many people queuing up for their products (necessitating more production capacity).
 
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If you can explain how anyone's iPhone knows which electric utility they are on and knows when that utility is supplying "Clean Energy" (if they even do) then I won't accuse you of being nuts. Deal?

Or maybe, it's a fake toggle to make me "feel good" that I am doing my part to save the planet?
Not saying this is how it works. But, GPS can be used to determine where the phone is. If there is a database that Apple has of locations vs power companies, that can be used to determine which company is supplying you power with reasonable accuracy (not perfect, close). Then if they had a deal with utilities to get data on their sources of power it wouldn't be that hard to put something like this together.
 
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Literally makes zero difference. They still get charged. The electricity still gets consumed.
Literally incorrect.

Power companies meet energy demands by using different fuels based on the demand at that time of day.

Depending on the time of day, companies use natural gas, nuclear energy, petroleum, and/or coal, along with renewable sources such as wind, hydropower, solar power, biomass, and geothermal.
 
Citation would be helpful. When an argument starts with “if”, it’s a tell there is no substance following.
Well, in this case it's one of those pretty obvious truths. Manufacturing any good has a pretty huge carbon footprint. It's basically always better to keep using what you already have than to buy new, even if the new thing is more efficient. I'm confident there is some data to back that up out there, but I don't have time to search for it right now.
That said, that doesn't make this update pointless. It's just a small step in the right direction which is better than no step in the right direction.
 
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Clean energy charging lol. It’s a phone not a mega yacht.

Imagine ‘caring’ about your carbon footprint for an iPhone while upgrading every single year and ignoring the carbon footprint in that device being produced and sent to you

Classic - bring on the downvotes!
I usually know someone who needs a phone. I generally gift my old phone to someone when I buy a new one.
Apple has produced two jokes in one day. Clean energy and eSim only phones.
It doesn't matter if Tim charges my phone in the morning, noon, night or whatever time he wants. It's still coming of the same energy grid. That is unless Apple is including a mini windmill in their new environmentally friendly box.
Now that would be extra Clean energy.
If I use power at 7:00PM where I live, it is likely to be wind generated. If I use it at 3:00PM, a good part of it is likely to be from a gas turbine. It's better to use power when the demand is low.
I consider myself fairly environmentally conscious and even I think the clean charging feature is silly. Smartphones are such a tiny percentage of the world's power usage that this isn't likely to make a noticeable difference.

Such a feature makes a lot more sense on electric vehicles or other equipment that actually consumes a significant amount of energy.

The whole thing smells like Apple trying to win brownie points with very little effort. It feels disingenuous and actually harmful to the green energy movement.
I think of it as education. I try not to use the AC, wash dishes, clothes or whatever when demand is high. Every little bit helps.
Buy a new phone every six months and you could offset twice as much carbon emissions. 🤣

Carbon (CO2) offsetting is not carbon reduction. It is buying permission to produce more carbon.
If you use power that generates one kg of CO2, but you do things that reduce the production of CO2 by two kg, you have effectively used negative one kg. Because of your actions, there is one less kilogram of CO2 in the air.
 
Yup, It's small steps like these that do help us head in the right direction. Drastic changes are massively difficult to do at the scale of society. I'll take small steps over no steps any day.
And who, I may ask, are you or frequent flyer Timothy Cook to determine for anyone else what this mystical, ineffable “right direction” is?
 
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