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Apple Releases First Public Beta of macOS Monterey 12.4

cwwilson said:
Guys this beta is really good on my M1 Air. Soooo much smoother and snappier than 12.3 it really makes a huge difference. I don't know what Apple did to fix things under the hood but I hope whatever it was that it stays like this in the coming betas on up until full release because it is amazing right now.
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I concur. I am experiencing the same improvement in general smoothness (scrolling is most noticeable).
 
VictorTango777 said:
In System Preferences > Apple ID, the list of applications does not indicate that it is scrollable, even when System Preferences is set to to Always show scroll bars. There is no indication that there are more applications available, even the system is set to Always show scroll bars.. I wish Apple would stop assuming that everyone uses mouse scroll wheels or multitouch trackpad gestures. And I especially wish that Apple's own Mac applications would honor the settings that are set by the user.

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Also notice the inconsistency with scroll bar visibility, where iCloud Drive Options list has a scroll bar but the Apple ID list does not. In the list of applications under Apple ID and iCloud Drive options, the applications are listed randomly, in no logical order. This makes it difficult to find specific applications.

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Why are lists of applications not displayed in alphabetical order or with adjustable sorting options? The same thing happens on iPhone and iPad. Apparently, Apple engineers never bothered to test user interfaces with more than one item in a list.
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Good observation. Have you reported this to Apple?

One thing that annoys me as hell is that preference windows are so tiny, and not resizable....
 
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DragonSound86 said:
I've had this installed for 2 hours, and it has already crashed 7 times. Three times it froze, and the other four times it randomly restarted.
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You must have a very special setup. I can't remember when my Mac frooze or crashed the last time, albeit using macOS betas for more than 5 years now... ?

Try a clean install maybe? ?
 
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DragonSound86 said:
I've had this installed for 2 hours, and it has already crashed 7 times. Three times it froze, and the other four times it randomly restarted.
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One of the issues with updating to a brand new beta is software compatibility. The first thing you do if you start to encounter kernel panics or application crashes is boot the MacOS in safe mode and see how it operates. Look at maugustine's example he posted today.

There are all kinds of things that can go wrong, your using something connected to your Mac, you disconnect everything not needed to rule those things out.

Next you look at what you're running that is used to change the way your Mac OS environment works, aka Safari extensions, sharing, utilities, drivers for devices you own, and some applications that are not maintained that well by the developer.
 
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After installing this beta AdGuard (latest nightl build) does not work properly all the time. Sometimes I have no internet connection and then I have to disable enable AdGuard and it works again. It seems that there are some changes to the network area.
 
Tranel said:
After installing this beta AdGuard (latest nightl build) does not work properly all the time. Sometimes I have no internet connection and then I have to disable enable AdGuard and it works again. It seems that there are some changes to the network area.
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Third party software bugs are not Apple's responsibility. Especially when they're nightly builds.
 
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Realityck said:
It been running better for me, but some people were running Plex server and that caused issues where it needed to be removed. This uses Safari 15.5 builds now.
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Do you have a link to a discussion of problems with Plex server? I'd like to try the beta but I don't want to mess up Plex Server.
 
carlsson said:
You must have a very special setup. I can't remember when my Mac frooze or crashed the last time, albeit using macOS betas for more than 5 years now... ?

Try a clean install maybe? ?
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Not true in my scenario. 2 month old Macbook Pro M1Max 64GB RAM… some apps running, but pretty clean install. Crashes using all browsers not Safari with panic in the Helper apps for Chrome, Brave and Edge.. Launching Firefox freezes everything.. Feels like the 3rd beta of Monterey on my old Intel MBP15.. Thank god for multiple partitions with one for beta testing ? The last few betas had no issues

Edit: Safe boot actually makes the browsers run stable… So a bootup item or Little Snitch issue perhaps ?. Still.. an OS shouldn’t freeze because of a 3rd party app.. the app could freeze, not the OS..
 
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Realityck said:
One of the issues with updating to a brand new beta is software compatibility. The first thing you do if you start to encounter kernel panics or application crashes is boot the MacOS in safe mode and see how it operates. Look at maugustine's example he posted today.
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Hey, how about more compatibility, and less crashing, and better operation in general for even beta updates? nah.. never happen... :(
 
EricSp0rts said:
Not true in my scenario. 2 month old Macbook Pro M1Max 64GB RAM… some apps running, but pretty clean install. Crashes using all browsers not Safari with panic in the Helper apps for Chrome, Brave and Edge.. Launching Firefox freezes everything.. Feels like the 3rd beta of Monterey on my old Intel MBP15.. Thank god for multiple partitions with one for beta testing ? The last few betas had no issues

Edit: Safe boot actually makes the browsers run stable… So a bootup item or Little Snitch issue perhaps ?. Still.. an OS shouldn’t freeze because of a 3rd party app.. the app could freeze, not the OS..
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So ended up being an issue with the latest nightly build of Little Snitch for me.. I’ll have a talk with the devs. So a good tips.. if freeze occurs, run your device in «safe boot» mode and check if your system is stable. If so, its probably a 3rd party extension or app of some kind. Reboot and hold power button until the option menu is presented, then shift + select boot disk to boot in safe boot. Should say «safe boot» in text below the boot volume icon.
 
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DragonSound86 said:
I've had this installed for 2 hours, and it has already crashed 7 times. Three times it froze, and the other four times it randomly restarted.
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I have the exact same problem. I tried to reinstall MacOS, but annoyingly it seems I cannot even “downgrade” to the previous version. Restoring the computer using time machine is something that I’d like to avoid. Hopefully someone here manages to find a solution. I cannot seem to pinpoint which of all my apps may be causing this…
 
Starting with Big Sur and continuing with Monterey, all keyboard commands in the menu bar appear grayed out even when the command is available. Depending on whether the system is set to Light or Dark, and the desktop picture that is used, those keyboard commands can be difficult to read. What MacOS engineer at Apple thought this was a good idea?
 
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Anyone else seeing some rich text emails, like marketing emails, rendering as blank in Mail in this release? This is new for me under 12.4 PB.

I reported this to Apple.
 
Upgraded to newest beta on my new M1 Max and immediate kernel panics that sent it into restart hell. I had to erase and reinstall 12.3.1
 
EricSp0rts said:
So ended up being an issue with the latest nightly build of Little Snitch for me.. I’ll have a talk with the devs. So a good tips.. if freeze occurs, run your device in «safe boot» mode and check if your system is stable. If so, its probably a 3rd party extension or app of some kind. Reboot and hold power button until the option menu is presented, then shift + select boot disk to boot in safe boot. Should say «safe boot» in text below the boot volume icon.
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I really liked Little Snitch and ran a legit paid license for years but it caused so many panics I just couldn't take the chance running on a production machine. I gave up 5 years ago or so. Shame, it was quite useful.
 
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