Apple Releases First Public Beta of macOS Ventura 13.1

[Kenjutsuz]

I only see stage manager just as a tool to hide your desktop and switch between multiple application's content. Seems like something an Apple presenter would like to use at an event, so now you have this additional GUI mode you can optionally utilize. Most wouldn't use it normally.

No use for me......

 

[rondo]

What a joke. Releasing a new OS, but the features are not included. By the time everything is "OK". The successor is going to be released for Ventura.

I agree, why the need for a new OS update every October?

 

[Corefile]

Having said that, my god what a worthless functionality Stage Manager is, mind boggling they shipped it anyways, they should trash it and re-think the entire multitasking behavior.

Stage Manager can replace those single focus apps as it allows only a single app to be on screen at any one time. It might not be everybody's thing but it seems to have utility for some.

 

[nvmls]

Stage Manager can replace those single focus apps as it allows only a single app to be on screen at any one time. It might not be everybody's thing but it seems to have utility for some.

Right, why improve the elephant in the room (multi-tasking) when you can ship something to "kind of" address single app management (?).

Also, it doesn't replace anything, it's another dock with previews & more limited.

 

[nathansz]

anyone know is .pkg installs are working now? You can try Zoom or Parsec.app to test. Widely not working on 13.0.

I haven't had any issues with .pkg installs with any version of Ventura going back to the first beta

 

[Corefile]

Right, why improve the elephant in the room (multi-tasking) when you can ship something to "kind of" address single app management (?).

Also, it doesn't replace anything, it's another dock with previews & more limited.

I don't follow your thinking logic. It provides a means for single app focus quite easily to make those third party apps redundant. I'm guessing you don't like Stage Manager which is OK too.

 

[skardvin]

No significant issues on Ventura so far, other than same old same old with Safari, a few UI glitches with weather app's top bar background, drawer icon button not visible when on fullscreen & search input background color flickering out of nowhere.

Having said that, my god what a worthless functionality Stage Manager is, mind boggling they shipped it anyways, they should trash it and re-think the entire multitasking behavior.

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I couldn't agree more! I tried Stage Manager for a few seconds and hated it. Turned it right back off.

 

[Realityck]

I agree, why the need for a new OS update every October?

The Verge has a nice paragraph about why that is:

On a basic level, bundling iOS and macOS updates gives Apple a single, cohesive marketing push, a package of features that it can point to and say, “Look, here are all the ways the new software makes your life better.” The annual releases also mean that Apple can count on journalists writing roundups of the new features every year at WWDC and reviews of those new features in the fall, and Apple might have to risk that consistent coverage if it changes things up.

This year isn't the best example but new Apple products upcoming usually need updated OS's to work. Not like you expect an older version of MacOS to be fully supported new devices well. So if you combine that with the marketing push thats why it's annual now.

 

[robfoll]

I only see stage manager just as a tool to hide your desktop and switch between multiple application's content. Seems like something an Apple presenter would like to use at an event, so now you have this additional GUI mode you can optionally utilize. Most wouldn't use it normally.

I rather like Stage Manager and have switched to it as my main GUI on a multi-monitor setup. It definitely helps me focus

 

[AAPLGeek]

I agree, why the need for a new OS update every October?

Because marketing thinks so and Apple is a marketing and operations company in 2022.

 

[Realityck]

I rather like Stage Manager and have switched to it as my main GUI on a multi-monitor setup. It definitely helps me focus

I like looking at everything at the same time, it helps me focus. Got that from staring at game screens too much.

 

[BGPL]

Two more releases and I'll upgrade 😃

 

[azpc]

Window snapping might help Stage Manager.

 

[coolbreeze2]

I am enjoying Ventura. I just installed 13.1 and installed iOS 16.1 on my iPhone and iPad. I am also installing watchOS 9.2 on my Ultra.

 

[Le0M]

Its normal for the beta cycle releases to be seeded to developers first then expand the seeding to public beta testers after it been verified no obvious issues to it being utilized are present. Once in awhile if something is discovered you might not even have a PB seeding. You have to wait until the next dev beta is vetted.

Yeah, so you think one day was enough to evaluate whether the os version was stable enough?
I'm not buying this.
There must be other reasons.

 

[Le0M]

S

It’s a safeguard in case there are any seriously-disruptive bugs in the dev build, pretty sure. At the very least they’re two different seed channels with their own distinct purposes, which isn’t unusual at all in the world of software testing.

Sure. My point was, how on earth are they going to find seriously disruptive bugs in less than 24 hours?

 

[Tranel]

Ventura was very stable and fast on my MacBook Pro M1 but with this beta everything is high speed. Wifi connection is fast and latency is fantastic. I have a QNAP NAS and write/read on the NAS is much faster than before. Do not know what they did with this release but I really like it.

 

[Realityck]

Yeah, so you think one day was enough to evaluate whether the os version was stable enough?
I'm not buying this.
There must be other reasons.

I been using this MacOS 13.1 beta 1 since early morning Oct 25th. The PB came out 2 days later. Aside from Mail quitting unexpectedly a few times early on and sending a few reports, which didn't occur on previous MacOS 13 RC2, this hasn't been a beta that caused me much concern. I expect the Safari version to go to 16.2 soon during the beta cycle, the initial 16.1 version is working well, compared to MacOS 13.0 beta cycle versions of Safari. MacOS 13.1 expected to release by mid-December like last two years.

 

[Bodhitree]

I’ve been using 13.0 for a few days, it seems stable and relatively glitch free. Haven’t tried stage manager yet but i’m not a fan of its paradigm. Looking forward to trying Freeform.

 

[CarAnalogy]

No significant issues on Ventura so far, other than same old same old with Safari, a few UI glitches with weather app's top bar background, drawer icon button not visible when on fullscreen & search input background color flickering out of nowhere.

Having said that, my god what a worthless functionality Stage Manager is, mind boggling they shipped it anyways, they should trash it and re-think the entire multitasking behavior.

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Actually, I don’t mind stage manager on the Mac but it’s too buggy and limited on the iPad.

My biggest issue since Big Sur is the stupid “floating” dock wasting a strip of my screen unless I hide it. It’s not a damn iPad, at least give me the option to have it all the way against the side.

They’ve worked out most of the actual bugs introduced with the Big Sur redesign but it’s still a flawed concept.

 

[Confused-User]

Yeah, so you think one day was enough to evaluate whether the os version was stable enough?
I'm not buying this.
There must be other reasons.

No, he's right. This isn't about "stable", it's about disaster. For example, many years ago, there was an OS release that would zero out boot drives if they had a space in their name (IIRC, it was a long time ago). A lot of people lost data.

Developers are much more likely to actually be testing on test machines, rather than production ones, while public beta users are not, despite all the warnings. This is one last safety measure to mitigate disasters.

 

[Realityck]

No, he's right. This isn't about "stable", it's about disaster. For example, many years ago, there was an OS release that would zero out boot drives if they had a space in their name (IIRC, it was a long time ago). A lot of people lost data.

Developers are much more likely to actually be testing on test machines, rather than production ones, while public beta users are not, despite all the warnings. This is one last safety measure to mitigate disasters.

We are discussing MacOS 13.1 beta 1, not the end of the world. I have no such issues using it as I am right now with the Macs backed to separate ASR volume in case for some reason I have some problem which I don't on the fourth day of running this beta for hours on two Macs. Been testing betas for years with hardly any issues too!

 

[maxoakland]

What a joke. Releasing a new OS, but the features are not included. By the time everything is "OK". The successor is going to be released for Ventura.

I’m fine with them delaying features if it means we get releases without egregious bugs. The last thing Apple needs to do is rush things. I think they should do it more, not less

(Looking at iPad OS and the terrible stage manager experience for a lot of people)

 

[Realityck]

I’m fine with them delaying features if it means we get releases without egregious bugs. The last thing Apple needs to do is rush things. I think they should do it more, not less

MacOS 13.1 won't be released until mid December, not like this minor update is being rushed any more than any other year.

 

[Le0M]

S

It’s a safeguard in case there are any seriously-disruptive bugs in the dev build, pretty sure. At the very least they’re two different seed channels with their own distinct purposes, which isn’t unusual at all in the world of software testing.

Sure. My point was, how on earth are they going to find seriously disruptive bugs in less than 24 hours?