You keep making things up that don't align with the reports from people this actually happened to. Please stop theorizing.
Yes.
It's a theory they pulled from the ether, because that's not an explanation that exists anywhere outside this thread.
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Apple Releases iOS 17.5.1 With Fix for Reappearing Photos Bug
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So reports pop up stating old photos even years old are reappearing and undeleting themselves, some Apple folk dismiss it as fake, then Apple releases a patch with a specific text stating it fixes this exact issue, and now it’s a conspiracy and ignorance to believe the fault existed and Apple admitted it?
AppleID… breach? Bug?
Silence.
Photos that don’t actually get deleted?
Silence.
Both of these are major issues that Apple is brushing off as if nothing significant happened. Security first? Hmm.
Silence.
Photos that don’t actually get deleted?
Silence.
Both of these are major issues that Apple is brushing off as if nothing significant happened. Security first? Hmm.
A fix sure but we need answers!
Who exactly is claiming Apple is perfect? What sort of straw man argument is that? Some of us are arguing that this one bug is decidedly minor given that only one report has emerged about photos showing up on transferred devices; a report that is unverified and if examined with common sense instead of in the manner the media reported it is somewhat dubious (how did this person find out that their photos showed up on a sold device?). Not only that but it was fixed over a weekend.
Were your photos compromised? Are you honestly experiencing any disruption to your device? And are you truly besieged by “all these bugs” or are you someone who installs betas and gets outraged by those bugs that are actually expected? Because that’s at least 75% of the noise that gets posted on here.
Whatever, this is not important—I don’t even know why I’m engaging in this. My apologies, I’ll let it go. Enjoy your phone.
Yeah. They still have yet to address the Apple ID bug. Radio silence. Nothing. Apple used to be a lot more transparent.
You not understanding the possible implication this "bug" has given awareness to is the issue. The issue isn't the bug causing a disruption in the functionality of the device, but what is going on with our data in Apple's cloud servers.
I hope they don’t get away with trying to bury the issue under the rug with a simple software update.
There needs to be an explanation as to why the images were not truly deleted from their servers.
There needs to be an explanation as to why the images were not truly deleted from their servers.
No they released an urgent update to calm down the hysteria one Reddit user caused in the worldwide media, about an event that has yet to be verified. All we know for certain is that some deleted photos showed back up in the active album—none of the specifics, including the age of the photos, when they were deleted or whether the story of them showing up on a wiped phone (REALLY unlikely) is even true!You're telling me Apple released iOS 17.5.1 to address a made up issue?
But why be angry? Why not just update your phone and go in with your life?
No, you’re just getting the actual facts wrong and are defaulting to media hype without any confirmed details, and making up that Apple urgently fixed this because of actual risk as opposed to quelling the hysteria. Hence “conspiracy theories”.
There’s not a shred of evidence that these photos came from the Cloud!
I think people and commenters on Macrumors should be more quiet and more calm. I think they should suffer in silence.
It's the anger and aggressiveness I don't like.
And the accusations against Apple with no evidence whatsoever.
Incredible that they acknowledged the issue. Affirms the reports are true. They are trying to brush this under the rug. This is perhaps the most major privacy violation from in their history. Someone correct me if wrong.
From what i read they were reloading from sent iMessages once iMessage synching was restored from the recent interruption.
Silence? They just released a patch with a reason.
They are just throwing that around the way people throw the words trauma, woke and toxic around. It means nothing but is a lazy catch-all.
You had 10 year old photos reappear? Were they 10 year old photos you deleted 10 years ago, or did you have 10 year old photos you more recently deleted (say, within the last 5 or so years) reappear?
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Right, secure erase / DFU restore will remove the keys from the secure enclave. Photos on restored devices are toast.
It's the other point that I wonder about. While true that deletion is primarily a filesystem operation... I'm not sure faster vs more secure applies anymore. With spinning hard drives, absolutely. As long as nothing overwrites it, that data is there to be recovered. I've done this many times.
The problem I have is these devices don't use spinning hard drives, they use NAND flash chips. This is entirely different. Typically flash storage doesn't write bit by bit. You have to write to a whole sector just to change a single bit in that sector. So if any data around that photo needed modified, the photo would be blown away by the write operation for that random bit that happened to be in the same sector. (The write operation has to zero the entire sector before writing the new and still-relevant existing data). A lot of SSDs (which, again, operate a bit differently) have a TRIM command that the operating system can send that will zero the sectors of just-deleted files to speed up future writes there (by skipping the zeroing step). There is also background garbage collection on the storage controller serving a similar purpose. Presumably Apple's controller does something similar for deleted data.
Anyway, I don't have much of a point, just wanted to add some context to all of the posts saying that deletion doesn't actually erase the data. Kind of true, kind of not.
No. Telling the user what happened and asking the user what should be done with those files would be a good thing.
1) 5 years ago, a user takes a screenshot on the iPhone
2) For some reason it's stored both in Files and Photoes (but in the same db) without the user knowing
3) After a day, the user deletes the screenshot photo in Photos
4) 5 years go by with the photo stored on the device because it belongs to the Files app
5) The user updates to 17.5
6) The reindex bug of the db causes the photo which belongs to the Files app to reappear in the Photos app
7) Photos and iCloud Photo Library sees it as a new photo and it's uploaded to iCloud and all the user's devices
I know, I know, they’re clandestinely spying on us. So said Marjorie Taylor Greene. By all means move to an open source Android phone, then you can really get paranoid about privacy. The bottom line is that the specifics of this less than a week long bug are completely unconfirmed and everyone is speculating broadly about disasters armed only with what the media reported—which we’ve already learned was hyped from one Reddit user. This is the essence of the waste of emotional resources born out of a 24 hour news cycle on the web. I don’t know about you but I conserve my energies for the truth, not speculation, but that’s just me.
This bug had nothing to do with their servers. This has been proven already by the fact people that who don't use the cloud have the bug. What people don't seem to understand is if you back up a corrupted database, and then restore the corrupted database it's still corrupted a database.