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Because those kinds of bugs just happen; that's 30 years of software/systems dev talking.
A system that evolves fast has more of them since your changing more code, more interfaces and adding/removing/changing things all over the system.

The more services/means of access a system provides, the more potential entry points it provides.
For example, If there were user accounts, that would be one more thing to worry about...
Hardened systems have few services, access points, users, all of them monitored from another system which doesn't depend on the first.

Hardened systems tend to have few features/services and honed them to death.
Most people would complain if IOS became like that.

Unlike those systems IOS (and Android) must be hard to compromise WHILE most of the opposite of those hardened systems. This exposes a lot more code to outside forces.

Only in the last decade, with much of our lives becoming digital, has security become less than an afterthought on digital platforms. There has been an obvious learning curve for the entire industry. Things are improving though; nobody would trust all their info to a phone with XP level security!
If NSA software is being hacked, expecting IOS to be safe out of the box is just plain ridiculous. Kudos to Apple for providing rapid and repeated security updates as exploits are revealed/exposed.
 
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Write an entire operating system and let us know how that goes for you.
Thanks for the extreme response. Misses the point I was discussing. Apple says 'it just works', but has bombarded and annoyed regular users this year with many system updates.
 
:confused: another one for the ignore list.
Remember a troll a day keeps your bowels moving. It's like a natural laxative.
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Thanks for the extreme response. Misses the point I was discussing. Apple says 'it just works', but has bombarded and annoyed regular users this year with many system updates.
I don't feel bombarded or annoyed. I applaud regular updates. Especially security updates. Hell, I even like use ability updates. Sort of why I stay with IOS.
 
If NSA software is being hacked, expecting IOS to be safe out of the box is just plain ridiculous. Kudos to Apple for providing rapid and repeated security updates as exploits are revealed/exposed.

Most NSA "hacks" are done the same way most "hacks" are done : user failure or inside jobs.

In fact, I'd say most "hacking" outside phones is done through social engineering (like phishing) rather than anything technical. Most exploits to work require physical access to the phone unlike this one.

The 9.3.5 bug fix is a particularly severe bug since a text from user space can lead to someone taking complete control of your phone remotely (just about the worse kind of bug possible). It still requires clicking on a link (phishing) to work though. So, it still relies on user failure of a sort.

One of the best way to stop hacks is restrict access to a system to a absolute minimum.
A single server with a single service with one user that uses this one service (say email) (the admin/root only login in through the physical console)) can be made very very safe if you use the right tools and you read code.

Great if you want to bombproof your private email server, not so good for general use though.
 
Instead of reactive security Apple should look into using proactive security like Samsung Knox that doesn't require overly frequent updates. Also, look at how Android Nougat is doing Seamless Updates. Having to restart your device so often is really old school.
 
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You seem unaware of some of Apple's proactive security moves. Two big ones happened just recently.

Apple announces its first security bounty program at Black Hat 2016 with up to $200K payouts


Here's a list of Apple security updates.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

Note that this list has hundreds of examples of Apple disrupting the little thing called user experience (to apply security updates) since 2002. And before that, but this list only goes back to 2002.
Apple has released about a dozen updates to iOS 9 this year. That's a lot more than in recent years. Sure, security is a must, but do users need to be disrupted in the process? There's got to be a better way when it comes to security updates vs fancy new feature updates. Apple can't keep annoying users with updates, regular users interpret these requests as annoying experiences, some don't even understand the reasons for the constant updates. About 12 this year for iOS 9, there's got to be a much better way that "just works".
 
Most NSA "hacks" are done the same way most "hacks" are done : user failure or inside jobs.

In fact, I'd say most "hacking" outside phones is done through social engineering (like phishing) rather than anything technical. Most exploits to work require physical access to the phone unlike this one.

The 9.3.5 bug fix is a particularly severe bug since a text from user space can lead to someone taking complete control of your phone remotely (just about the worse kind of bug possible). It still requires clicking on a link (phishing) to work though. So, it still relies on user failure of a sort.

One of the best way to stop hacks is restrict access to a system to a absolute minimum.
A single server with a single service with one user that uses this one service (say email) (the admin/root only login in through the physical console)) can be made very very safe if you use the right tools and you read code.

Great if you want to bombproof your private email server, not so good for general use though.
Sort of like what Hillary set up? Go figure.........
 
Thanks for the extreme response. Misses the point I was discussing. Apple says 'it just works', but has bombarded and annoyed regular users this year with many system updates.
One isn't really related to the other.
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Apple has released about a dozen updates to iOS 9 this year. That's a lot more than in recent years. Sure, security is a must, but do users need to be disrupted in the process? There's got to be a better way when it comes to security updates vs fancy new feature updates. Apple can't keep annoying users with updates, regular users interpret these requests as annoying experiences, some don't even understand the reasons for the constant updates. About 12 this year for iOS 9, there's got to be a much better way that "just works".
Is it that much more than the previous year?
 
Sort of like what Hillary set up? Go figure.........

Yes, I subtly referred to that without getting into it :). That's what made me laugh about people saying it was less secure than the state dept set up in the 1970-1980s!. The State dept got "hacked" because of user failures through malware, same thing as the DNC, Sony even Iranian nuclear reactors. People are dummy and will click ON ANYTHING. The less people are involved (especially those not directly involved in what you want to keep private), the better it is.
 
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Instead of reactive security Apple should look into using proactive security like Samsung Knox that doesn't require overly frequent updates. Having to restart your device so often is really old school.
The horror of restarting an electronic device.
 
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Apple has released about a dozen updates to iOS 9 this year. That's a lot more than in recent years. Sure, security is a must, but do users need to be disrupted in the process? There's got to be a better way when it comes to security updates vs fancy new feature updates. Apple can't keep annoying users with updates, regular users interpret these requests as annoying experiences, some don't even understand the reasons for the constant updates. About 12 this year for iOS 9, there's got to be a much better way that "just works".
Let's take a pole on how many "regular" users (guess that mean they don't need exlax) are annoyed by updates and how many appreciate the updates, we can even throw in a neutral for good measure.

We put you down as annoyed, smacrumon.

I vote appreciate.

So 50/50 so far.
 
Haha, you don't have anything as an "innovative" feature than what already exists on Android and may just be a personal preference thing?
Haha, you don't have anything as an "innovative" feature than what already exists on Android and may just be a personal preference thing?
You obviously never tried an Android otherwise you would know what iOS is lacking. Reading about features is not the same as experiencing them. Go ahead and try one, It will be ok. Apple won't be jealous!
 
Let's take a pole on how many "regular" users (guess that mean they don't need exlax) are annoyed by updates and how many appreciate the updates, we can even throw in a neutral for good measure.

We put you down as annoyed, smacrumon.

I vote appreciate.

So 50/50 so far.
I'll join in on the appreciative side of things.
 
Let's take a pole on how many "regular" users (guess that mean they don't need exlax) are annoyed by updates and how many appreciate the updates, we can even throw in a neutral for good measure.

We put you down as annoyed, smacrumon.

I vote appreciate.

So 50/50 so far.
Poll regular users, not biased fans like us on a forum. I speak with non tech heads different to here and I hear complaints when they are requested to update. It's poor design. A couple of updates might be okay, but up to 12 a year is just crazy. Who has time for that?
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One isn't really related to the other.
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Is it that much more than the previous year?
Much more than iOS 7.
 
Because those kinds of bugs just happen; that's 30 years of software/systems dev talking.
There millions of lines of codes involved here, countless possible paths and user entries that interact together. With time, coding standards/design and even the languages themselves and IDE tools have mitigated most of the type of security bugs that used to plague software, but some more subtle ones still slip through.

A system that evolves fast has more of them since your changing more code, more interfaces and adding/removing/changing things all over the system.

The more services/means of access a system provides, the more potential entry points it provides.
For example, If there were user accounts, that would be one more thing to worry about...
Hardened systems have few services, access points, users, all of them monitored from another system which doesn't depend on the first.

Hardened systems tend to have few features/services and honed them to death.
Most people would complain if IOS became like that.

Unlike those systems IOS (and Android) must be hard to compromise WHILE most of the opposite of those hardened systems. This exposes a lot more code to outside forces.

Only in the last decade, with much of our lives becoming digital, has security become less than an afterthought on digital platforms. There has been an obvious learning curve for the entire industry. Things are improving though; nobody would trust all their info to a phone with XP level security!

True. But is there a new OS needed every 12 month? I say no. We had way longer life cycles back in the days of OS X and nevertheless high quality operating systems. Right now the OS development nearly reached the state of rapid prototyping. So it's getting tougher day by day to not open any new security holes if you must redesign and innovate (the latter is welcome of course) permanently. Of course this is the fate of software development, but one should question if the release cycles are just perfect as they are right now...I just assume a potential delay like we faced with e.g. Leopard would be a no-go these days, perhaps with the risk of potential security holes...
 
Poll regular users, not biased fans like us on a forum. I speak with non tech heads different to here and I hear complaints when they are requested to update. It's poor design. A couple of updates might be okay, but up to 12 a year is just crazy. Who has time for that?
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Much more than iOS 7.
Oh those regular users. I sort of get your point, but until I get some of that $110 million in vested stock Tim Cook just received, I don't much care in what regular users think or buy. I use what I find works best for me. Come on here to learn things and keep abreast of developments. It's also rather entertaining, shallow like I lead.

So all that have responded on here with your votes, and those that intended to respond, forget it. As smacrumon has made it clear we are not regular enough to count. Suggest massive infusion of prune juice to help make the forum users more regular people.
 
I was with iPhone from day one and they lost me when they dedicated their lives to stopping jailbreakers instead of giving us the features promised since Steve Jobs.

You are either a troll or an ignorant. Steve Jobs, or Apple for that matter, never promised or hinted about any future spec or feature.
 
Oh those regular users. I sort of get your point, but until I get some of that $110 million in vested stock Tim Cook just received, I don't much care in what regular users think or buy. I use what I find works best for me. Come on here to learn things and keep abreast of developments. It's also rather entertaining, shallow like I lead.

So all that have responded on here with your votes, and those that intended to respond, forget it. As smacrumon has made it clear we are not regular enough to count. Suggest massive infusion of prune juice to help make the forum users more regular people.
I think you know what I mean. Mainstream consumers (regular users) and then super interested high tech people who live partly at MacRumors. ;)
 
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