Apple Releases iOS 9.3.5 With Fix for Three Critical Vulnerabilities Exploited by Hacking Group

[flowsy]

Poll regular users, not biased fans like us on a forum. I speak with non tech heads different to here and I hear complaints when they are requested to update. It's poor design. A couple of updates might be okay, but up to 12 a year is just crazy. Who has time for that?
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Much more than iOS 7.

Yeah, let those holes just sit there for a while, nobody will get hurt. What a lazy generation jfc!

 

[smacrumon]

Whaaaaaaat the hell are you talking about?

You probably don't get the Apple reference from the Gil Amelio
Apple CEO days. Google the ship phrase.
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Yeah, let those holes just sit there for a while, nobody will get hurt. What a lazy generation jfc!

Why does the user even need to know about an update that is patching a security flaw. It should be seamless and require no user interaction.

 

[Gasu E.]

Hmmm. Really? "pushing forward with more fixes"? What about push forward with a release that doesn't require fixes when released. Isn't this like "a ship with a hole in the bottom, leaking water, and [the] job is to get the ship pointed in the right direction"?

I know, right? After all, if the customer asks for a latte and you give her a mocha chino, that's unacceptable! Why should Apple have it any easier?

 

[C DM]

Poll regular users, not biased fans like us on a forum. I speak with non tech heads different to here and I hear complaints when they are requested to update. It's poor design. A couple of updates might be okay, but up to 12 a year is just crazy. Who has time for that?
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Much more than iOS 7.

Now poll regular or otherwise users and ask them how many of them would like to live with security issues on their devices that could be exploited and someone could be spying on them and see how many of them would be happy to get updates for those security issues, not counting updates with some new features and bug fixes (vs. sitting with the same thing for months). Case closed.

And seriously, 12 updates a year is "crazy"? Talk about hyperbole.

 

[sbailey4]

I don't need to close and reboot and backup first. Just do it in case any app is hung up and to get phone or pad in a fresh stable rebooted condition. Probably redundant and have done updates without doing so. Just figure it can't hurt to have every register fresh and nothing else running or suspended in background. Holdover from my windows days in years past. Still have a desktop that blue screened to death sitting in basement. Gonna use it for target practice at the range.

I do almost same thing. close all apps, reboot then update. Typically get a backup via iTunes beforehand. Seems I never have issues with OTA updates doing it that way. Just makes since to start fresh when updating an OS.

 

[smacrumon]

I know, right? After all, if the customer asks for a latte and you give her a mocha chino, that's unacceptable! Why should Apple have it any easier?

Please stop boring me. Users shouldn't need to know about their devices being patched for security updates by Apple., other updates yes.

 

[C DM]

You probably don't get the Apple reference from the Gil Amelio
Apple CEO days. Google the ship phrase.
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Why does the user even need to know about an update that is patching a security flaw. It should be seamless and require no user interaction.

Yeah seriously like when you're hungry why should you have to chew and swallow and eat something when you should just feel satisfied and not hungry seamlessly without any interaction.

 

[smacrumon]

Now poll regular or otherwise users and ask them how many of them would like to live with security issues on their devices that could be exploited and someone could be spying on them and see how many of them would be happy to get updates for those security issues, not counting updates with some new features and bug fixes (vs. sitting with the same thing for months). Case closed.

And seriously, 12 updates a year is "crazy"? Talk about hyperbole.

Now poll, regular or otherwise users and ask them how many of them would like security updates done with or without notice of the patching. Why do they need to be disrupted and notified with security updates. Just do it, and do it silently, Apple.

 

[C DM]

Please stop boring me. Users shouldn't need to know about their devices being patched for security updates by Apple., other updates yes.

In a magical futuristic utopia, sure, why not.
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Now poll, regular or otherwise users and ask them how many of them would like security updates done with or without notice of the patching. Why do they need to be disrupted and notified with security updates. Just do it, and do it silently, Apple.

And now we are shifting into something else. Convenient deflections when one argument doesn't pan out.

 

[HEK]

I think you know what I mean. Mainstream consumers (regular users) and then super interested high tech people who live partly at MacRumors.

Yeah the people that complain about having to tank up with gas each week. What a bother. Course when they run out of gas or their phone gets hacked they complain loud enough about that.

When you have active groups, companies and individuals trying to find avenues of attack in operating systems. The only sane thing to do is to make changes to the software to negate these intrusions. I believe even the regular common users would overwhelmingly prefer to know about these attacks and corrective actions. As many intrusions involve phishing schemes which can be reduced by "regular users" becoming aware.

It would appear we both would rather have updates than not, but differ on how aware we think users should be.

 

[smacrumon]

In a magical futuristic utopia, sure, why not.
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And now we are shifting into something else. Convenient deflections when one argument doesn't pan out.

You don't think that is possible, silent updates for security patches?
Not deflecting, just using your perspective and poll suggestion.

 

[Gasu E.]

NO, the exploits have always been there, Apple just found out about them ... but nice try, as always.

Apple just found out about them, but YOU knew about them all along... hmm.

I'm alerting the FBI.
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Please stop boring me. Users shouldn't need to know about their devices being patched for security updates by Apple., other updates yes.

OK, I'll get you a new toy or piece of string. Don't want you bored!!

 

[HEK]

Now poll, regular or otherwise users and ask them how many of them would like security updates done with or without notice of the patching. Why do they need to be disrupted and notified with security updates. Just do it, and do it silently, Apple.

I would put a good wager that if Apple did that you would complain on behalf of "regular users", that they should be notified before their phones stopped working while it updated software using up their data allotment.

What's wrong with my phone it stops working and reboots all on it's own like once a month? What's wrong with Apple.

 

[C DM]

You don't think that is possible, silent updates for security patches?
Not deflecting, just using your perspective and poll suggestion.

I think it's much more complex than simply wishing for it. And depending on where the fixes are (what part of the code and what it affects), might be pretty close to impossible in various cases, at least not without completely redesigning iOS, and even then who knows.

 

[flowsy]

You don't think that is possible, silent updates for security patches?
Not deflecting, just using your perspective and poll suggestion.

They would if they could, but I guess their whole security implementation makes that (for now) almost impossible. The device is encrypted, a restart necessary... Not sure if there's a similar OS that can do it the way you (we) would like it.

 

[dingdong]

waiting until jailbreak appears

 

[smacrumon]

I would put a good wager that if Apple did that you would complain on behalf of "regular users", that they should be notified before their phones stopped working while it updated software using up their data allotment.

What's wrong with my phone it stops working and reboots all on it's own like once a month? What's wrong with Apple.

Yep, I'd be screaming "invasion of privacy" or something like that because I'm a big hypocrite and completely inconsistent. ... No I wouldn't.

BTW, It shouldn't reboot. Why is a reboot needed in 2016? (Errr, err, please wait while Windows 95 restarts.)

This is all part of the design and the continual finessing of iOS I'd like to see Apple improve on. iMessage balloons are cute, but these other things matter too.

 

[Thunderhawks]

You obviously never tried an Android otherwise you would know what iOS is lacking. Reading about features is not the same as experiencing them. Go ahead and try one, It will be ok. Apple won't be jealous!

Yes, never tried an Android device, but I see when people use an Android phone right in front of me, or they give it to me to read something or talk to somebody. On occasion I did have to help somebody figuring something out.
Just not using Android on a daily basis.

You avoid mentioning the "innovative features" iOS does not have and say you don't mention any in fear I would read them.

Then you say Android has what is missing in iOS, so if they are in Android they are hardly a secret and no longer innovative if out for a while. BTW: Both iOS and Android have already copied plenty from each other.

If YOU have innovative features for iOS which nobody but you has thought of, maybe go to a developer and create an app.

If you are just complaining about iOS not having some Android features you like, that is not a discussion of "innovation" missing in iOS. Everybody uses their phone in a different way for different tasks.

There is just no "innovative feature" in iOS that I am missing. Actually for me it has too many options in the attempt to make it customizable.

I am very basic, so I do not need any "tweaks or eye candy" to something that is working fine for me.

If you do not like iOS why are you using an iPhone or even on this forum?

Use whatever makes you happy, but don't complain about "innovative features" if you can't even name one.

 

[JimmyHook]

I'm thankful Apple pushes security fixes to their devices unlike Google who leaves MILLIONS stranded without critical updates. Currently, according to Ars, 900 million android devices are insecure and lack updates. Google is pathetic

 

[C DM]

Yep, I'd be screaming "invasion of privacy" or something like that because I'm a big hypocrite and completely inconsistent. ... No I wouldn't.

BTW, It shouldn't reboot. Why is a reboot needed in 2016? (Errr, err, please wait while Windows 95 restarts.)

This is all part of the design and the continual finessing of iOS I'd like to see Apple improve on. iMessage balloons are cute, but these other things matter too.

Because how do you update lower level system libraries that are in use and/or are encrypted? I mean this is like asking why can't we already land on the Sun because it's 2016 and we have all kinds of heat and fire retardant materials and all that, while just conveniently ignoring reality that we just can't do that even in 2016 with what we have now.

 

[Thunderhawks]

True. But is there a new OS needed every 12 month? I say no. We had way longer life cycles back in the days of OS X and nevertheless high quality operating systems. Right now the OS development nearly reached the state of rapid prototyping. So it's getting tougher day by day to not open any new security holes if you must redesign and innovate (the latter is welcome of course) permanently. Of course this is the fate of software development, but one should question if the release cycles are just perfect as they are right now...I just assume a potential delay like we faced with e.g. Leopard would be a no-go these days, perhaps with the risk of potential security holes...

You make a good point in that we do not need a new OS every 12 months with 100s of new features or whatever .

I liked it better when they optimized a good system OS.

The permanent race between more powerful computers which then new apps are being written for is just to make money. The average consumer doesn't use half the power of what is possible, nor do they know every apps complete features.

 

[Larry The L]

I'm a bit surprised to see another update so soon before iOS 10 is released.

Why? I seem to see a lot of negative reaction to this and it's hard to understand. Apple recognized a serious security flaw. I give them credit for fixing it even if a new version is coming soon. There are still people who will be using the current version for some time and they shouldn't have to be susceptible to this issue.

And of course, we'll see the argument bashing Apple for releasing software that wasn't perfect. I guess we can ignore all the expert hackers that always seem to find a way to break into all sorts of secured sites.

I really believe that if Apple announced a cure for cancer, there would be plenty of people here who would find a way to bash Apple. If so many people here hate Apple, why do you buy their products? No one takes this site seriously, do they?

 

[bigchrisfgb]

You make a good point in that we do not need a new OS every 12 months with 100s of new features or whatever .

I liked it better when they optimized a good system OS.

The permanent race between more powerful computers which then new apps are being written for is just to make money. The average consumer doesn't use half the power of what is possible, nor do they know every apps complete features.

In terms of the Mac I'd rather go back to the bi-annual update of OSX or MacOS as it's known now. The updates were much smoother then.

For iOS with new features etc being added to smartphones all the time then I can see why we need new releases every year, if not for ability to ingrate changes into a current OS the certainly to inform the lesser informed public about the new features and update.

 

[posguy99]

waiting until jailbreak appears

Do you people even LISTEN to yourselves? It's OK for there to be security holes allowing a jailbreak, and Apple is evil if they patch them, but Apple is also evil because they dare have software with bugs they don't know about.

 

[S.B.G]

Why? I seem to see a lot of negative reaction to this and it's hard to understand. Apple recognized a serious security flaw. I give them credit for fixing it even if a new version is coming soon. There are still people who will be using the current version for some time and they shouldn't have to be susceptible to this issue.

And of course, we'll see the argument bashing Apple for releasing software that wasn't perfect. I guess we can ignore all the expert hackers that always seem to find a way to break into all sorts of secured sites.

I really believe that if Apple announced a cure for cancer, there would be plenty of people here who would find a way to bash Apple. If so many people here hate Apple, why do you buy their products? No one takes this site seriously, do they?

My apologies, but did you consider my surprise as a negative connotation of Apple?

My statement, which you responded to, wasn't meant to be taken as a derogatory reaction towards Apple or an important update to iOS. It was merely a genuine surprise to see two iOS updates in rather quick succession, which is somewhat unusual for Apple. I am very pleased to see that they responded to the security problem rather quickly this time indeed.