Apple Releases iTunes 10.0.1 With Ping Sidebar and Bug Fixes

[Jmacman78]

I don't care about Ping, I hardly care about social networking. That stuff really doesn't interest me, I can understand that there are people who will hate it and people who will love it.
However, What really pisses me off the most is the removal of the Genius Sidebar. Something I used quite often to find new music and songs from artists I normally wouldn't have seen. I hope Apple realizes people actually use this and bring it back.

 

[nelmat]

What is nonsense? Is it nonsense to assume you would not like any text buttons in Finder, Address Book, Mail?

What is nonsense is your suggestion that there should be not text based icons in iTunes becuase they don't appear in some other Apple software.

To answer another of your questions - why should it say "PING" when you don't use ping, there's probable a whole heap of tex.icons/images in software and in life generally that you personally do not use - so should all of these disappear as well?

Some people do use PING, which is a function of iTunes, this icon (the PING text) is to symbolise that this button calls up PING functionality. That is not adware.

Adware is software supported by adverts, you have paid for adverts for third party products and services. The PING icon highlighting a function of PING within the application from which PING is managed, is not adware by any definition.

Right, I've not actually seen a hint of Ping on Facebook or Twitter, no one I know appears to use it.

And most of them do indeed like music and have an iPod/iPhone...

lol - there's some logic. You don't see many mentions of apple on the main microsoft pages, does that mean that people don't use Apples products and services? Facebook and PING are two separate services that don't currently link to each other, so why would you be seeing links from on to the other?

Please don't call me a liar - you speak from your personal (cynical, impatient) experience, and I will speak from mine. My niece ollie lives in PING currently, having a bit of an obsession with jack johnson...

There is the fine difference between an arrow and a word. An arrow can be ignored as ornamental, a word much less so.

So, how would you feel about a non-removable Facebook button next to each highlighted name in Address Book? Both Address Book and iTunes are at their base database apps and Facebook is as free as Ping.

I'd happily live with it - what difference would it make? Again, if it annoyed me to distraction, I'd use alternative software.

 

[DakotaGuy]

What is nonsense is your suggestion that there should be not text based icons in iTunes becuase they don't appear in some other Apple software.

To answer another of your questions - why should it say "PING" when you don't use ping, there's probable a whole heap of tex.icons/images in software and in life generally that you personally do not use - so should all of these disappear as well?

Some people do use PING, which is a function of iTunes, this icon (the PING text) is to symbolise that this button calls up PING functionality. That is not adware.

Adware is software supported by adverts, you have paid for adverts for third party products and services. The PING icon highlighting a function of PING within the application from which PING is managed, is not adware by any definition.

Anything that places a logo or brand name in front of you on every track is an advertisement. Ping is a brand of social networking by Apple. If every track said Facebook on it and I could not hide it I would have an issue with it as well. All we are asking for is a setting in preferences that allows you to hide Ping if you don't use it. If you can use terminal commands to do this then it can't be very difficult for Apple to do it.

 

[KnightWRX]

Some people do use PING, which is a function of iTunes, this icon (the PING text) is to symbolise that this button calls up PING functionality. That is not adware.

And some don't. Ping is not activated by default. Why are these links showing when Ping is not activated ? Why is there a terminal based preference for it but not a GUI one ? Why many terminal based preferences instead of a checkbox ?

Seriously, why are you against the option of turning it off and being so defensive about poor old little Ping ? If you want it, fine, if I don't, that should be fine too. Options are good.

I'd happily live with it - what difference would it make? Again, if it annoyed me to distraction, I'd use alternative software.

Except for the fact that we're tied to iTunes because of an iPhone or iPod Touch. Tell Apple to open up their iDevices...

 

[HLdan]

And some don't. Ping is not activated by default. Why are these links showing when Ping is not activated ? Why is there a terminal based preference for it but not a GUI one ? Why many terminal based preferences instead of a checkbox ?

Seriously, why are you against the option of turning it off and being so defensive about poor old little Ping ? If you want it, fine, if I don't, that should be fine too. Options are good.

If all your argument was is to just turn off Ping, I wouldn't wasted multiple posts with you but that wasn't your argument. You want the option to fully remove Ping from the iTunes software and that's just ridiculous of you to expect a company that's trying to promote a new feature of their software to do. I'm with you about having the ability of disabling it because I don't see any use for it ATM, but I certainly don't expect Apple to give me the option to fully uninstall it from the iTunes software. If you're in business for yourself you certainly wouldn't want to give your customers that much flexibility to get your promotional product out of their face, otherwise you'll be out of business very soon.

 

[manu chao]

What is nonsense is your suggestion that there should be not text based icons in iTunes becuase they don't appear in some other Apple software.

It is not about text-based icons, there are buttons labelled 'Edit' or 'Search' in lots of applications, there is even a Flickr button inside Aperture. But these buttons are not inside lists but either in the bottom frame or the toolbar (which is often customisable). It is about additional text inside a line of text, inside a list. As I said, it's like a Facebook button in your list of contacts, not in the toolbar but next to every name or a Dropbox/iDisk button after every file name inside a Finder window.

You still have not confirmed that you would not mind a Dropbox or iDisk button next to every file in the Finder, particularly without even having signed up to either. From which I can only conclude that you would mind in fact.

 

[Ed State]

Ping has given me nothing but heartache.

When it first launched, I immediately tried to log-on… but since I have both a MobileMe ID and an iTunes ID (and you can't combine the two, or "roll over" the iTunes ID) Ping simply WOULDN'T LET ME us my iTunes ID for Ping.

So I signed in using my MobileMe ID.

WRONG!

Now I'm in the middle of a dual-ID Hell that, according to the Geniuses at Apple, CANNOT and WILL NOT be remedied.

So I'm screwed. iTunes is not a basket of rattlesnakes for me, and many others. Thanks Ping!

 

[DakotaGuy]

If all your argument was is to just turn off Ping, I wouldn't wasted multiple posts with you but that wasn't your argument. You want the option to fully remove Ping from the iTunes software and that's just ridiculous of you to expect a company that's trying to promote a new feature of their software to do. I'm with you about having the ability of disabling it because I don't see any use for it ATM, but I certainly don't expect Apple to give me the option to fully uninstall it from the iTunes software. If you're in business for yourself you certainly wouldn't want to give your customers that much flexibility to get your promotional product out of their face, otherwise you'll be out of business very soon.

I don't think his argument is to have it fully removed. I think his argument is like my argument. Provide a check mark in preferences that allows you to select the sidebar you want and to either display the Ping links or hide them. If everything Ping could be hidden with a simple check mark it would be much better. If I don't use Ping why do I need it showing up all over iTunes? The reason why I consider it ad ware is because even though I don't use it I have to look at the word "Ping" on every song.

Like I said before it creates dead links on every song and the word "Ping" on each song means nothing if you don't use the service.

 

[KnightWRX]

If all your argument was is to just turn off Ping, I wouldn't wasted multiple posts with you but that wasn't your argument. You want the option to fully remove Ping from the iTunes software and that's just ridiculous

How are both different ? I want an option to make Ping go away. Completely turn if off. Opening iTunes and grepping for the word Ping to return nothing at all.

I want it fully removed, not in the sense of the code not being in the binary, but in the sense that I don't want to see a single mention of the word Ping in the UI except for the checkbox I just unchecked.

That was and still is my argument.

Are you saying all this time that this isn't what you were comprehending ?

 

[HLdan]

That's why I'd like nothing more than an option called "Remove all traces of Ping" which I can check.

I'm not asking for them to not provide their social mumbo jumbo, but to shove it in the face of users who don't want it and to not provide an option to remove it is dead wrong no matter how you look at it. There is nothing egoistical about wanting an option to remove a service I have no intention of using, no matter how hard you try to make it sound that way.

As for the colors, you really believe a gray bitmap file is somehow faster than a colored one ? Seriously, 0xaaaaaa is faster than 0xaaee55 ?

How are both different ? I want an option to make Ping go away. Completely turn if off. Opening iTunes and grepping for the word Ping to return nothing at all.

I want it fully removed, not in the sense of the code not being in the binary, but in the sense that I don't want to see a single mention of the word Ping in the UI except for the checkbox I just unchecked.

That was and still is my argument.

Are you saying all this time that this isn't what you were comprehending ?

That is correct, because I argued back and forth with you how stupid it would be for Apple to allow a customer to "remove all traces" Ping, and not until NOW, you made this clear. "Fully Remove" or "Remove All Traces" is not the same as "Completely Disable".

Again, I'm with you about not having it show up if I choose to turn it off, which I have, but at the same time I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it, which you have seemed to, just because the Ping link is there with every click of a song in your library, however I do think that's overkill for Apple to have done that because turning off Ping should also include not having the links show up, however having Ping in the sidebar isn't killing me and neither should it kill anyone else as it would be the only other way Apple could advertise Ping, otherwise you'll forget about it. That might be good for "U", but not good for Apple's business.

 

[KnightWRX]

That is correct, because I argued back and forth with you how stupid it would be for Apple to allow a customer to "remove all traces" Ping, and not until NOW, you made this clear. "Fully Remove" or "Remove All Traces" is not the same as "Completely Disable".

It is on a consumer level.

All traces to me never included the binary and the machine code that executes any Ping related function, that's just retarded and that unused code sits there in the binary file on your hard disk does little to annoy anyone. If they wanted to even attempt to remove this, they'd need to ship 2 binaries, which no company does, with good reasons. That's why conditional statements exist in programming.

Sorry, I had no idea you took every argument to such a low level. Remove all traces of Ping to me always indicated removing any UI mention of Ping except for of course the preference checkbox.

I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it, which you have seemed to,

When did I lose this sleep over this ? Slept like a baby Sunday and Friday, had a few calls by the NOC on saturday night. So while I did lose sleep, it was because some fool PL/SQL programmer made crap code that kept extending the TEMP tablespace on one of my databases, not because of Ping in any way.

 

[HLdan]

It is on a consumer level.

All traces to me never included the binary and the machine code that executes any Ping related function, that's just retarded and that unused code sits there in the binary file on your hard disk does little to annoy anyone. If they wanted to even attempt to remove this, they'd need to ship 2 binaries, which no company does, with good reasons. That's why conditional statements exist in programming.

Sorry, I had no idea you took every argument to such a low level. Remove all traces of Ping to me always indicated removing any UI mention of Ping except for of course the preference checkbox.



When did I lose this sleep over this ? Slept like a baby Sunday and Friday, had a few calls by the NOC on saturday night. So while I did lose sleep, it was because some fool PL/SQL programmer made crap code that kept extending the TEMP tablespace on one of my databases, not because of Ping in any way.

Well I had no idea that you would take what I said to such a a low level. .
My point is although I haven't posted, I noticed that including today you have posted over and over about this concern since a few days back when you are I were sparring. Your best bet is to go to Apple's website and preach your annoyance over this on their feedback page, unless you think they are constantly reading MR for feedback which I doubt. Have a good day.

 

[KnightWRX]

My point is although I haven't posted, I noticed that including today you have posted over and over about this concern since a few days back when you are I were sparring. Your best bet is to go to Apple's website and preach your annoyance over this on their feedback page, unless you think they are constantly reading MR for feedback which I doubt. Have a good day.

Keeps me entertained while I type in console commands into various Unix servers. Notice there are often gaps in my postings, that is when either I have to concentrate on work 100% or when I get up and find something more entertaining to do.

 

[whyamihere]

question

when you set up Ping, are you forced to use your AppleID as your username? or can you use a different username (such as when you leave a music/app review, or with gamecenter)?

the concern with only being able to use my appleid as my ping username is the only reason i'm still on itunes 9... well that and i like having my color icons.

 

[manu chao]

when you set up Ping, are you forced to use your AppleID as your username? or can you use a different username (such as when you leave a music/app review, or with gamecenter)?

the concern with only being able to use my appleid as my ping username is the only reason i'm still on itunes 9... well that and i like having my color icons.

Ping uses the name on your billing credentials (eg, credit card). But you can get the coloured icons back in iTunes 10.

 

[esmode]

I can't wait till 5 years from now when iTunes Ping will be the most used social networking, especially for music...

Sick of these self-rightous complainers on MR that act like they do everything right and perfect the first time, or at all. Ping is not allowed to have growing pains with this forum.

Once there is a perception that a social networking service sucks, you are generally screwed no matter what features you add. The only thing that Ping has going for it are product bundling and a good brand as a crutch, both of which are typical for failed social networking services.

 

[Morod]

The hordes are too busy consuming to realize they are being consumed.

Sums it up quite nicely! Thank you.

 

[justgiz]

Am i the only one who is a little annoyed that i cant hide the Now Playing Album Artwork that shows in the bottom left of the window? The button to toggle it seems to be gone.

Pic: http://twitpic.com/2tk6re

I dont know if its something iv done, but it seems to have started after i restarted iTunes after this update.

Also (if you couldnt tell from the pic) im on windows

 

[luvreddogs]

New update not reading Ipod touch

The newest update will not acknowledge that my IPod is anything but a camera. Since it does not have a camera (Gen 2) cannot get it to sync with my computer or charge from my computer.
Removed ITunes and reinstalled and still not working right and will now not recognize my DVD/CD drive in computer. I think part is computer and part is the new update. I am not computer savy so this is really beyond my comprehension.

Had to hook up to husbands computer to reformat IPod and to charge.

 

[blunderboy]

Thanks to the folks who posted the Terminal commands to remove the Ping menu in iTunes. I like iTunes, but I really don't have any need for another social networking service. I barely even use Facebook; why would I need another one?

 

[Fofer]

What really has me irritated the book cover art work is gone in the Book folder on iTunes 10 I have hundreds of audiobooks and it is much easier to find a book via the cover art, and then being able to drag and drop a book cover to add the audiobook to my Touch this so much faster and easier then looking down the file columns, highlighting and then dragging it is a real pain.

Huh? I still have book cover art work... nothing seems to have changed in that regard. Just toggle the view from "List" to "Album List" or "Grid."


With regards to Ping, I disabled my Ping account, used the View menu to "Hide Ping Sidebar," then used the Terminal commands to remove the Ping buttons, and give me back the arrows that allowed me to link back to items/albums in my own library.

It'd be nice if I could also remove the Ping entry in the left sidebar, but I can live it it. The rest I just ignore.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Huh? I still have book cover art work... nothing seems to have changed in that regard. Just toggle the view from "List" to "Album List" or "Grid."

With regards to Ping, I disabled my Ping account, used the View menu to "Hide Ping Sidebar," then used the Terminal commands to remove the Ping buttons, and give me back the arrows that allowed me to link back to items/albums in my own library.

It'd be nice if I could also remove the Ping entry in the left sidebar, but I can live it it. The rest I just ignore.

Why the hell are you replying to a thread that has been dead for 2 weeks? good lord, let old news articles die for christ sake!