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How so? It doesn't seem bloated to me. What features are there that will never be used by an significant number of users? Anticipating your reply. Thanks.

Does an audio player need 200MB of memory? Does it still make sense that iTunes remains the "hub" for media and devices for which it has little to do with? iTunes should revert back to handling "tunes". iTunes has too many jobs. Everything from AppleTV to the iTunes Store should be done differently. It barely made sense for iTunes to serve as the conduit for syncing iPhones even back when the original iPhone came out.
 
When iTunes got its most recent UI (and then I tweaked a few options) I started to really like it (again).

My complaint is that iOS sync is quirky and unreliable. But the UI is excellent in my view.

It's an app that does a lot, and for many people I know that's a bad thing. But I use SO much of what it does, that I can't see myself hoping for a fresh start a la Photo.
 
Resume playback? Such essential feature was available in SoundJam MP 2.5.3 from which iTunes was developed back in 2001 (14 years ago!).
 
I have been getting a lot of "can not connect to server" errors lately, I am unable to update my iOS apps. Is it just me or is this a common problem?

Also, iTunes should be dismantled. Built 15 years ago to play music only, I will make a big guess and say not many people launch iTunes to play music any more
 
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How so? It doesn't seem bloated to me. What features are there that will never be used by an significant number of users? Anticipating your reply. Thanks.

No one app should attempt to do everything, lest it fail to do any of it well. iTunes should remember what its name is, and get back to its roots.
 
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I've been following an issue that I first saw in 12, reported many times thru feedback, where Album view would skip back to the top in a fairly annoying uncontrolled way. It happens whenever I selected a song to play that is of course way down in my list of albums. I've just come to the conclusion it's related to the 'recently added' section at the top. So I've just sent in yet another feedback for 12.3.2...

When 'Show Recently Added' is enabled in album view options, the screen will uncontrollably scroll to the top view, showing recently added, whenever the track changes, especially after I have selected a particular track to play.

Because of this I lose visibility of the album I am trying to view.

When 'Show Recently Added' is disabled, the display works as expected, and stays on the album I'm trying to work with.

I have reported this behaviour multiple times for mostly all the previous iTunes12 releases, and it still happens. I have however narrowed it down this time to the recently added view.

This is happening on 12.3.2 but your version selection for this report only goes to 12.3.1, so the feedback page also needs updating!

Anyone else fancy giving this a try and confirming?
 
I've been following an issue that I first saw in 12, reported many times thru feedback, where Album view would skip back to the top in a fairly annoying uncontrolled way. It happens whenever I selected a song to play that is of course way down in my list of albums. I've just come to the conclusion it's related to the 'recently added' section at the top. So I've just sent in yet another feedback for 12.3.2...

When 'Show Recently Added' is enabled in album view options, the screen will uncontrollably scroll to the top view, showing recently added, whenever the track changes, especially after I have selected a particular track to play.

Because of this I lose visibility of the album I am trying to view.

When 'Show Recently Added' is disabled, the display works as expected, and stays on the album I'm trying to work with.

I have reported this behaviour multiple times for mostly all the previous iTunes12 releases, and it still happens. I have however narrowed it down this time to the recently added view.

This is happening on 12.3.2 but your version selection for this report only goes to 12.3.1, so the feedback page also needs updating!

Anyone else fancy giving this a try and confirming?
+1. It is SUPER irritating. Glad to know "Recently Added" is the culprit, I'll turn it off although I like using it. But it is extremely irritating when the screen just jumps to top.
 
Does an audio player need 200MB of memory? Does it still make sense that iTunes remains the "hub" for media and devices for which it has little to do with? iTunes should revert back to handling "tunes". iTunes has too many jobs. Everything from AppleTV to the iTunes Store should be done differently. It barely made sense for iTunes to serve as the conduit for syncing iPhones even back when the original iPhone came out.
Even with my large library I'm using 140mb of memory, sat between Dropbox at 80mb, and Firefox 350mb. That doesn't seem bad to me? It boots instantly on my 2011 iMac regardless of if I'm using Windows 7 or OSX. Quicktime takes longer to load and is less responsive on my system! I don't think bloated is the word.

I think having it be the "idevice" app is okay too, it makes less sense now that iPods have become phones and large tablets but still you want to manage your media on those things. Maybe they could rename it iMedia?

Ultimately I don't mind it. I don't use half of the services iTunes offers. I just play the music I own on it and sync that to my phone. Once you hide the things you don't use (ringtones, iTunes U etc) it becomes much neater.
 
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Happy to report this one updates with no issues. Unlike 12.3.1 which was a wheel of death disaster that required a time machine backup to the one before.
 
There are several reasons Apple decided to make iTunes a monolithic app suite in one, but the main one is Windows. You would not expect Apple to require half a dozen applications to download to make iOS devices to work on Windows. On OS X you could absorb much of these as services that work in the background when the device is actively plugged in and hooked into subfeatures of iTunes.
 
Does an audio player need 200MB of memory? Does it still make sense that iTunes remains the "hub" for media and devices for which it has little to do with? iTunes should revert back to handling "tunes". iTunes has too many jobs. Everything from AppleTV to the iTunes Store should be done differently. It barely made sense for iTunes to serve as the conduit for syncing iPhones even back when the original iPhone came out.

This is one of those never-ending debates in software design, driven, imo, by "I don't need this feature, so nobody else does, either."

What I'd like to see is something more than a vague "should be done differently." Let's see a proposed architecture that encompasses all the functions encompassed by iTunes, with as little redundancy and as much functional clarity as possible.

iTunes was "just an audio player" for exactly one version, released in January 2001. Version 2.0 was released just nine months later in October 2001 with support for iPod syncing. Clearly, Apple knew from the first that iTunes was never going to be just an audio player - iPod was already in development when Apple purchased SoundJam MP from Casady and Greene in 2000.

Multiple small apps? Apple knows that approach well, since that's the iOS Way; separate stores and apps for nearly every type of media. It has its own logic and simplicity, but how many have posted, "Why do I need ______, when I don't ever use it? There are too many icons, and they're such wastes of precious Flash!" Further, under the hood, the architecture has to support seamless interaction between all those apps. Effectively, that means "apps" that are little more than UI, with all else being handled centrally by the OS. That approach works OK for OS X and iOS ("Those damn control freaks at Apple!"), but I'm not sure it's practical for all those people using iTunes for Windows (and just how many apps should be bundled with that download?)

And then there's syncing/backup (and since the cloud, and iCloud in particular, are nowhere near being universally embraced, we can't ignore syncing/backup)... I'm sure that, in a multi-small-app alternate universe, you'd be able to set preferences for which apps open when you connect an iPhone to a Mac. If you only sync a couple of media types, that'll be fine. But if you regularly manage more? A cascade of auto-opening media-specific apps???? I find the fact that (my choice of) Photos/iPhoto/Aperture/ImageCapture opens concurrently with iTunes to be annoying enough, even though I frequently do have to manage images.

Sure... there's no need to open all those apps - libraries can sync in background... until you need to actively manage the items being synced. Just how a la carte do we make this? Part of the point of a single, auto-opening, all-encompassing app is to serve all those who can't (or would rather not) "roll their own." How many apps should someone need if their single task is, "Sync my iPod?" "Oh, there are purchases made on the iPhone that have to be downloaded before they can be synced to the iPod? Whoops. I guess I have to open the iTunes Store, too."

In the end, the real problem may be nothing more then expecting "iTunes" to be about tunes, and nothing but tunes. At this point, though, I'd consider it an accident of history. Had Apple re-named the app when iPhone was introduced, expectations would have been managed long ago. Now, however... Is there a reason to re-brand iTunes for Mac/Windows? Would such a rebranding be worth the effort?
 
This is one of those never-ending debates in software design, driven, imo, by "I don't need this feature, so nobody else does, either."

What I'd like to see is something more than a vague "should be done differently." Let's see a proposed architecture that encompasses all the functions encompassed by iTunes, with as little redundancy and as much functional clarity as possible.

iTunes was "just an audio player" for exactly one version, released in January 2001. Version 2.0 was released just nine months later in October 2001 with support for iPod syncing. Clearly, Apple knew from the first that iTunes was never going to be just an audio player - iPod was already in development when Apple purchased SoundJam MP from Casady and Greene in 2000.

Multiple small apps? Apple knows that approach well, since that's the iOS Way; separate stores and apps for nearly every type of media. It has its own logic and simplicity, but how many have posted, "Why do I need ______, when I don't ever use it? There are too many icons, and they're such wastes of precious Flash!" Further, under the hood, the architecture has to support seamless interaction between all those apps. Effectively, that means "apps" that are little more than UI, with all else being handled centrally by the OS. That approach works OK for OS X and iOS ("Those damn control freaks at Apple!"), but I'm not sure it's practical for all those people using iTunes for Windows (and just how many apps should be bundled with that download?)

And then there's syncing/backup (and since the cloud, and iCloud in particular, are nowhere near being universally embraced, we can't ignore syncing/backup)... I'm sure that, in a multi-small-app alternate universe, you'd be able to set preferences for which apps open when you connect an iPhone to a Mac. If you only sync a couple of media types, that'll be fine. But if you regularly manage more? A cascade of auto-opening media-specific apps???? I find the fact that (my choice of) Photos/iPhoto/Aperture/ImageCapture opens concurrently with iTunes to be annoying enough, even though I frequently do have to manage images.

Sure... there's no need to open all those apps - libraries can sync in background... until you need to actively manage the items being synced. Just how a la carte do we make this? Part of the point of a single, auto-opening, all-encompassing app is to serve all those who can't (or would rather not) "roll their own." How many apps should someone need if their single task is, "Sync my iPod?" "Oh, there are purchases made on the iPhone that have to be downloaded before they can be synced to the iPod? Whoops. I guess I have to open the iTunes Store, too."

In the end, the real problem may be nothing more then expecting "iTunes" to be about tunes, and nothing but tunes. At this point, though, I'd consider it an accident of history. Had Apple re-named the app when iPhone was introduced, expectations would have been managed long ago. Now, however... Is there a reason to re-brand iTunes for Mac/Windows? Would such a rebranding be worth the effort?
I understand your point of view. However, I still think iTunes is bloated with features that stopped making sense long ago. iTunes syncing iPods back in 2002 was reasonable. However now you have books, apps, photos, etc on devices that are not music-centric. It would have been better to move devices out of iTunes into a dedicated program. And don't get me started on AppleTV-iTunes dependence.
 
I've given up with 12.3.2 already! It keeps randomly checking and unchecking all the songs in the playlists I sync to my iPod Nano for some reason. This makes syncing my iPod impossible because I only want the checked songs I've selected in playlists synced. Now I don't know which songs are going to sync. Back to 12.3 until they get their act together.
 
My complaint is that iOS sync is quirky and unreliable. But the UI is excellent in my view.

Tell me about it. My Mac Mini, my MBA and my iPhone all have different sets of podcasts, and playcounts never, ever seem to sync. I am constantly clearing the (!) markers from iTunes, and have all but given up on iOS, since it's podcasts are sometimes a year old! It redownloads some podcast from a year ago!

People tell me to switch to Overcast, but being iOS only, there's no reason to sync. I just want all of my music coming out of iTunes, and for it all to synchronize, as promised.
 
Do not update! It has made my library so SLOW and now Genius doesn't not work! Always saying: Genius result can be updated right now. An unknown error occurred 4010. Running the lastest El Capitan as wel on a flagship MacBook Prol! Lags songs behind 15 seconds on the playback bar on the top! This should not be happening Apple!
 
I fear if Apple rebuilds iTunes they would drop sync in favor to iCloud. But locally syncing my iPhone and iPad is essentiell for me and many others who cant't trust the cloud. So ironically I have to hope they are going to improve iTunes instead of rebuilding it from scratch.
 
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