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Or for one more comparision I opened an EMPTY notepad window, about the most simple (and easiest on the system to redraw) window there is. 60-75% CPU usage during resizing! Need more proof it's normal? Of course, it shouldn't seem very slow. It's aided by the graphics card. I'd almost bet you don't have an ATI graphics card, or have a pre-Radeon ATI card.
 
Re: Messed up folder structure

Originally posted by rotorblade


This is not a dig. Just a fact that many times people do things without reading first, then blame the app instead of themselves.


you are so right....you can not imagine
as for other things , people thinks how it should be, instead of reading how it is .. read the f**king manual...
 
It asks you when you first launch iTunes whether iTunes should organize the music or not. There's also an option to copy the music into the iTunes folder when importing instead of moving it. It asks you when you first launch iTunes whether iTunes should organize the music or not. There's also an option to copy the music into the iTunes folder when importing instead of moving it.

Sometimes it pays to answer NO, then read the help files first before diving right in.

This is not a dig. Just a fact that many times people do things without reading first, then blame the app instead of themselves.


He did that. He chose to not let iTunes find the files, and imported them manually, and copied them into iTunes. Trust me, this guy pays attention to details like that. He is a big technical junkie, so he knows a lot about the way these things work. However, he has a sour opinion in his mouth now, and after all my efforts to convince him to give Apple a try, I look ridiculous. Hopefully the app itself will slowly convince him otherwise.

Yes, this happened to me as well. I believe it is related to the preference option named "Keep iTunes music folder organized" on the Advanced tab. This option is turned off by default, which is good. I suppose it would be nice to display a message stating it would move/reorganize files and folders.

If this is turned off by default, why did it screw up his folders when he added his library to iTunes?
 
Re: Messed up folder structure

Originally posted by rotorblade
remember the same feelings when I switched last year. I can sympathize with the Windows users who are upset that their folder structure has changed. Especially if they just wanted to 'try out' iTunes. Perhaps Apple should have left people's folders alone as the default option for iTunes Windows.

It asks you when you first launch iTunes whether iTunes should organize the music or not. There's also an option to copy the music into the iTunes folder when importing instead of moving it.

Sometimes it pays to answer NO, then read the help files first before diving right in.

This is not a dig. Just a fact that many times people do things without reading first, then blame the app instead of themselves.

Proof that it can be installed on Win98, but it cannot be run, so who cares? :confused:
 
Oooppps

Replied to the wrong post by accident. Someone had tried to install on Win98 and got the smackdown. I knew it could be hacked to be installed, but doubted it would run... and it doesn't.
 
Does anyone else think that Quicktime for windows is gonna get a UI overhaul.

The iTunes UI, in my opinion, works remarkably better on xp compaired to quicktime. Even quicktime on 98 looks better then on xp
 
Originally posted by Miki
I just downloaded iTunes 4 and installed it on my P4 1.9GHz WinXP laptop and I think it's great. It uses even less CPU time than some other players (Winamp 3 aprox. 13-15% , JetAudio 8% , iTunes 5%). It consumes from 11 MB to 25 MB according to TaskManager and after slow 1st start it loads in about 3 secs.

But there are some features that I would like to see in it :

- support for WMA and RealAudio formats. Ok let's not start again with that thing whether Apple should support 'other' music formats , but other players that I've tried played everything that I throwed at them , so this is definitely a minus for Apple. About 10-15% of my music collection is ripped in WMA format and i have no intention in doing that again.


Do a google search for "WMA MP3 conversion" or (fewer choices but better overall results) "WMA AAC conversion" and take your pick. Yes, you will lose some quality (especially if your WMA rips were relatively low-quality to begin with).


- iTunes has very very extensive playlist management. You can manage songs in playlists by bpm, bitrate, kind, track number, length of artists' d*** but you can't make a playlist which will contain songs from a specified dir and dynamically refresh itself whenever a new file is added. I've looked for something like that and I couldn't find it. Please correct me if I'm wrong! It is a big deal to me as I have few large dirs full of mp3s and sometimes I add a file in it, sometimes my sister , so it is very hard to keep track what is in the playlist and what isn't.

Just drag the entire folder over to iTunes; anything new will be added, and anything old will be left as is.


- resizing a iTunes window really sucks . Maximizing a window is impossible but after you close the fullscreen visualizer iTunes becomes maximized and you can not restore the previous window position!? Also, doubleclicking on the titlebar widens the window which makes no sense at all.

I agree.

First, resizing a window should be fluid. The solution to this is to not redraw *everything* on each resize; only redraw the metal "shell" on a resize, and on the next idle message redraw the entire interior. Above everything else, this shows that Apple's iTunes engineers aren't the most experienced Windows programmers out there ...

Second, while the "Zoom/Unzoom" feature is nice on OS X, not being able to "Maximize" an application on Windows is just short of a cardinal sin. "Zoom/Unzoom" should be controlled by a separate widget, with an icon which does NOT directly mimick the known and "loved" Windows Maximize/Restore icon.

Third, what, exactly, is the point of the title-bar double-click making iTunes "widescreen"? It has no meaning from a Windows perspective, and there isn't even an equivalent behavior on the Mac OS. Double-clicking a title bar in Windows acts the same as clicking the maximize/restore button: the window either maximizes or restores to its non-maximized size.


Other than that iTunes is excellent music player but I am looking forward to v4.2 ...

Me too!
 
Re: Sharing and Safari.

Originally posted by jelwell
Two things:

First off, all those itunesdl, ileech, iSlurp don't work on iTunes 4.1. Maybe that's banned discussion in this forum, but I like to use the apps to share music with my roommates. Sure they could walk to my room and grab my cd, but it's easier to just let them pull them off my mac. Probably just a matter of time for those apps to be updated though.

Second, doesn't iTunes on the Mac use Safari/AppleWebKit for it's rendering engine? Did Apple port it to Windows for iTunes on windows? Are we going to see Safari on windows?

One last thing, I have to cry a little since now my window's friends are starting to get some of the benefits of owning a Mac without actually buying one. :(
joe.

You do know, assuming you're running on a LAN of some sort, that you can always either use the iTunes internal streaming, or "share" your iTunes Music folder via SMB (a Windows file share) and let your friends copy files from your computer all they want ... right?
 
Re: Re: iTunes flaked out on my friend's PC

Originally posted by vanmonkey
Hell, dude can browse by genre anyway. I guess his hard work worked well enough for his crazy backwards pc world, but now he sees the light and everything is cool!

That's exactly the problem. I had the same kind of mind-shift when moving from Windows to iTunes. You have to do all the music management in Windows yourself. You have to keep your files in folders that make sense, your track numbers on your files, the file names up to date ... and a lot of my music had been at that time ripped without ID3 tags (ID3 wasn't around when I started ripping CDs ...) The result when putting it into iTunes was a mess.

It takes a real turn of thought to realize that iTunes is really smart enough to know what to do, nice enough to be able to use almost exclusively, and stable enough to trust with my music library. That kind of thing didn't exist in the Windows world ...
 
Market strategy questions:

Will the large number of users who are expected to install the free iTunes for Windows software (which includes QuickTime) lead to increased market penetration for QuickTime for Windows? Will that, in turn, encourage more web sites to host audio and video files in QuickTime format?

Is there any chance that Apple will get any PC manufacturers, distributors, or retailers to provide iTunes pre-installed (or on an installation CD-ROM) with new PCs?

I would be glad to see any of these happen.
 
Originally posted by Catt
Now that I've been able to sleep on it I have calmed down over apple not supporting ME with iTunes :)

But,

I'm now a little unsure as to why they made it so that you could only update your iPod to 2.1 if you have XP or 2000. Surely this is a fairly simple piece of software, i.e. the part that installs the firmware on the iPod, and the firmware itself is the complicated part. Not sure if that makes sense. Basically the OS doesn't have that much to do, does it? :confused:

I believe that, after the 2.1 update, your iPod will no longer sync with MusicMatch (that's what the iTunes hep pages seem to say, anyways).

It would be a real b*tch to update your firmware and then find out you no longer have software to sync your PC ...
 
Originally posted by jettredmont
I believe that, after the 2.1 update, your iPod will no longer sync with MusicMatch (that's what the iTunes hep pages seem to say, anyways).

It would be a real b*tch to update your firmware and then find out you no longer have software to sync your PC ...

I assume you could still use EphPod to sync?

I think thats really poor on Apple's part.
I really want to be able to use the media card reader but I can't because I can't update to 2.1 and why make 2.1 only compatible with iTunes? well I suppose there are obvious reasons really, but if they can't make an iTunes for 98/ME they could at least make the firmware compatible and still let you use MusicMatch.
 
Re: Re: Re: itunes for windows is a hog

Originally posted by Dippo
I have 512MB of RAM but iTunes still takes up over 40MB, even AOL doesn't take up more than 25MB, and Opera take at most 30MB with 5 different sites open.

Mine is using 13MB with a 10gb libary
 
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