Apple Releases iTunes Windows and More

[jelwell]

Sharing and Safari.

Two things:

First off, all those itunesdl, ileech, iSlurp don't work on iTunes 4.1. Maybe that's banned discussion in this forum, but I like to use the apps to share music with my roommates. Sure they could walk to my room and grab my cd, but it's easier to just let them pull them off my mac. Probably just a matter of time for those apps to be updated though.

Second, doesn't iTunes on the Mac use Safari/AppleWebKit for it's rendering engine? Did Apple port it to Windows for iTunes on windows? Are we going to see Safari on windows?

One last thing, I have to cry a little since now my window's friends are starting to get some of the benefits of owning a Mac without actually buying one.
joe.

 

[vanmonkey]

Re: iTunes flaked out on my friend's PC

Originally posted by crossed-over
So, who's installed iTunes on a PC? Let's have some reports on how well it works!



I convinced my die-hard PC using friend to download iTunes and give it a try, and he did. He has 4,900 mp3's and had them all sorted in folders by genre. He didn't use playlists, but rather, picked out the songs based on genre. For some reason, when he imported the songs into iTunes, it created folders for all the songs, and messed up his genre folders completely. Needless to say, he is pretty upset about it, as that was a lot of work to get them all arranged that way. It will be nearly impossible to find the time to fix all of that. This makes me, as well as Apple look bad. On the bright side, he thinks he has no other choice but to use iTunes with its playlists from now on, but I still feel terrible about it. Has anyone else seen something strange like this?

Hell, dude can browse by genre anyway. I guess his hard work worked well enough for his crazy backwards pc world, but now he sees the light and everything is cool!

 

[donco]

Re: Support wma and I WILL buy an iPod

Originally posted by jogosz
I wish iTunes showed all songs by artist, then by album, like Windows Media Player.

If it is like the Mac version, you can just drag the Artist column (or any other one) to the left (or wherever). There are also lots of other columns that may be shown... try right-clicking on any of the column headings to see a menu.

 

[Flowbee]

Re: Artwork

Originally posted by Dippo
I just found out that I can add artwork to my own songs. This is so sweet. Anyone know if I can get the artwork off the iTunes Music Store or am I going to have to keep getting the artwork off amazon?

The best place I've found for artwork is allmusic.com.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Re: Sharing and Safari.

Originally posted by jelwell
Two things:

First off, all those itunesdl, ileech, iSlurp don't work on iTunes 4.1. Maybe that's banned discussion in this forum, but I like to use the apps to share music with my roommates. Sure they could walk to my room and grab my cd, but it's easier to just let them pull them off my mac. Probably just a matter of time for those apps to be updated though.

...

Well sharing still works within a subnet, so anyone on your home network can still play your tunes.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Re: Must have a credit card

Originally posted by simX
One thing that REALLY annoys me is that you can't log into the iTMS without having a credit card.

I don't have a credit card, and while this obviously wasn't an issue before (because there was no other way to buy tunes without a credit card), it is now, since there's now both allowances and gift certificates.

My friend and I tried to test out these features, and it seems that for both gift certificates AND allowances using existing Apple ID accounts (a.k.a. .mac users), you have to have a credit card. If you use your .mac account, you're not allowed to create a new account under that e-mail address -- you have to just "review" the account, which entails entering a credit card.

Therefore it seems the only way you can access and get music through the iTMS without having a credit card is by not having an existing Apple ID or .mac account, or not having the need to use this e-mail address when using the iTMS.

Grr. Minor gripe, sure, but I'd like to buy some music, Apple!

I don't use credit cards, but I have a Visa Check/ATM Card that works well for this purpose. If you have a checking account ask your bank for a Check Card. It works just like a credit card without the bills. Well you have to have money in the account, but I prefer to spend what I have. Got into enough credit problems with credit cards back in my college days and am not going back...

 

[darndog]

no wma support is just to irritate Gates...

Just about now Bill is discovering that iTunes won't play his DRM'd music library and he's gonna have to import the whole thing again to enjoy the best jukebox software on Windows...

dD

 

[darndog]

Re: Support wma and I WILL buy an iPod

I wish iTunes showed all songs by artist, then by album, like Windows Media Player. I would have to say I am disapointed, I like Windows Media Player better. I hope new versions have a little more functionality. I know Macs have always been simplistic, but us Windows users can handle a few more options!

I don't know how WMP displays but in iTunes just click the browse button (looks like an eye) which allows you to sort by Genre, Artist or Album. You can also remove (or add) the Genre column from iTunes 'general' preferences pane.

dD

 

[SBG88]

The itunes software is for people that own an ipod. iTunes is not for every windows owner. Apple does not give a crap about people that have wma files. Why should they?

 

[Danger! Will]

I downloaded iTunes today for my Xp/Linux machine.
It was the first time i've ever used iTunes. I can't believe how easy it is to use. I used to *borrow* music from Kazaa because it wasn't offered by any pay service. But now I can find all my cool 80's music and all my dance music. There's no reason for me to *borrow* music anymore.

 

[legacyb4]

Re: Re: Sharing and Safari.

I think he meant other than sharing by streaming...

Having said that, if shared streaming across platforms is this effortless, who really cares WHERE the actual music file resides_

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Well sharing still works within a subnet, so anyone on your home network can still play your tunes.

 

[vmagdic]

Re: Re: Support wma and I WILL buy an iPod

Originally posted by donco
If it is like the Mac version, you can just drag the Artist column (or any other one) to the left (or wherever). There are also lots of other columns that may be shown... try right-clicking on any of the column headings to see a menu.

Actually, I don't think this will solve the problem because iTunes (mac) doesn't appear to let you move the "Song Name" column. It forces it as the first column in the view. Just tried it. weird.

I assume the windows version works the same and doesn't let you move it.

 

[jkojima]

Has anybody else found iTunes for Windows to be buggy?

In using it to play audio CDs, it did an extremely annoying playback stutter with one of my CD drives (that native PC programs never had a problem with). Also, I find I have to relaunch the program in order for the track information to update for any inserted audio CD.

Aside from that, I think it's a fantastic idea and I'm happy it's around for the PC now, as I'm a dual-platform user.

 

[JGowan]

Originally posted by snahabed
Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life

Yes. In fact, many thousands of Mac users are in the middle of doing just this. ITunes 1, 2 & 3 came and we all loved it and were busy ripping our mp3s.

Then iTunes 4 came out with AAC. We heard a file that sounded just as good at 128kbps as our mp3s at 192kbps and we saw that, while it would take a while, it was worth getting our HD space back while keeping our sound quality at the same time.

My daunting task, you ask? I had 7,000+ songs when iTunes 4 came out.

Windows users can deal with it. I did.

 

[vmagdic]

Re: iTunes flaked out on my friend's PC

when he imported the songs into iTunes, it created folders for all the songs, and messed up his genre folders completely. Needless to say, he is pretty upset about it, as that was a lot of work to get them all arranged that way. It will

I doubt there is any way to "undo" this. But it's worth noting that you can set iTunes so that it leaves your folders alone, and doesn't try to mess with them.

Preferences->Advanced

then uncheck the "Keep iTunes Music Folder Organized" option.

 

[vmagdic]

Re: Re: iTunes flaked out on my friend's PC

Originally posted by vanmonkey
Hell, dude can browse by genre anyway. I guess his hard work worked well enough for his crazy backwards pc world, but now he sees the light and everything is cool!

I can appreciate both sides of this one. I switched from windows to Mac nearly a year ago, and one of the toughest things for me to "let go of" was the desire to manually organize all my folders. I recall my horror when I moved my music library onto the Mac and now iTunes "reworked" it for me -- not to mention how iPhoto created a seemingly incomprehensible folder structure out of my photos.

In fairness, a lot of windows app's "encourage" you to get down and dirty with the filesystem so its understandable that windows users would have this behavour

Since moving to the Mac, I've come to appreciate that it doesn't really matter where my music file is located because I can work with it a higher level (for example, using metadata in iTunes).

 

[Rower_CPU]

Re: Re: Re: Sharing and Safari.

Originally posted by legacyb4
I think he meant other than sharing by streaming...

...

Not unless his roommates live in another house.

 

[cevin]

When will QuickTime Movie Store open then? In a year? two years time? 10 years time? never?

just curious.

 

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by cevin
When will QuickTime Movie Store open then? In a year? two years time? 10 years time? never?

just curious.

Apple's world moves at Internet speed, so it'll be sooner than we all think. I'll say a year.

 

[AllieNeko]

Unfortunately, I'm a Windows user When I bought this computer, I liked Windows better because of the game support (which I just don't care about anymore)... and I can't afford a new one yet. I downloaded 20 songs on iTunes for Windows today and am VERY happy with it. Had no problems, it works extremely well, sounds good, is nicer for playing my other files than any other Windows software around, and makes me want a Mac more...

 

[Flowbee]

Re: Re: Re: iTunes flaked out on my friend's PC

Originally posted by vmagdic
I can appreciate both sides of this one. I switched from windows to Mac nearly a year ago, and one of the toughest things for me to "let go of" was the desire to manually organize all my folders. I recall my horror when I moved my music library onto the Mac and now iTunes "reworked" it for me -- not to mention how iPhoto created a seemingly incomprehensible folder structure out of my photos.

I remember the same feelings when I switched last year. I can sympathize with the Windows users who are upset that their folder structure has changed. Especially if they just wanted to 'try out' iTunes. Perhaps Apple should have left people's folders alone as the default option for iTunes Windows.

 

[alset]

Originally posted by Miki
- iTunes has very very extensive playlist management. You can manage songs in playlists by bpm, bitrate, kind, track number, length of artists' d*** but you can't make a playlist which will contain songs from a specified dir and dynamically refresh itself whenever a new file is added. ...

They are called Smart Playlists. Find them under the File menu.

Dan

 

[GregA]

Cocoa/Safari.

Originally posted by jelwell
doesn't iTunes on the Mac use Safari/AppleWebKit for it's rendering engine? Did Apple port it to Windows for iTunes on windows? Are we going to see Safari on windows?

I'm interested in this too. Not just the safari bit, but are they using the Cocoa api for this over on Windows (since earlier when "Cocoa" was still "Openstep" it did run on windows).

 

[swajames]

Got to say that the Windows version seems to be working flawlessly for me at this time. Downloaded iTunes on to my win 2K laptop at the office today and all worked well, got home and woke the machine from sleep, it immediately hooked up with my libraries on my PB Ti and Mac and worked as advertised. All said and done, looks like a nice job on Apple's part to me.

 

[GregA]

Originally posted by aafuss1
And the Apple Australoia website hasn't been updated yet, with information about the new accessories.

At 3:15pm Friday the front page still isn't updated. But if you go to iTunes, then click "download" it has Windows versions available. Weird that that's all they updated.