Apple Releases Lion Developer Preview 3 and Xcode 4.1 Preview 5

[Amazing Iceman]

It has nothing to do with power user vs average user and everything to do with what you are used to. Break the mold, learn news way to do things. You're switching computer OSes, you will have to change your habits.



Fear of learning something new.

True, nobody was born a Power User. We were all Novices in the beginning, and worked our way to become Power Users.

So why some like to scare those who want to learn telling them using the console is dangerous, etc.??

KnightWRX is trying to educate Novices into learning new ways to use their Macs. It's up to each person in this forum to decide whether they want to learn or not.
Will there be any risks? Of course! We all screwed up during the learning process, didn't we?

 

[KnightWRX]

Will there be any risks? Of course! We all screwed up during the learning process, didn't we?

And I've screwed up way more using a GUI than the command line. It's so easy to slip and move a folder into another one, the wrong one, and having slipped, not noticing which folder it went into.

I hate file managers. But seriously, Finder is just different than Explorer. Rather than wanting to make Explorer.app on Mac, people just need to learn Finder. Being stuck in your ways and refusing to do things differently and in the process, maybe learn about more efficient methods of doing things won't ever let you improve.

I think Finder's drag & drop is good enough for a move. Accross volumes, you're better off copying first, to make sure everything makes it intact before you delete the source. It's just "safer". Anyway, isn't all this moot ? Apple is caving in and implementing cut & paste.

 

[bogg]

...Accross volumes, you're better off copying first, to make sure everything makes it intact before you delete the source. It's just "safer". ...

Any OS with some dignity copies before removing over moving files directly.

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

so, 3 days and 4 restarts later, my System Preferences finally changed to say Mission Control instead of Exposé and Spaces.

 

[Žalgiris]

After update to DP3 MenuMeters stopped working for me. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[chrono1081]

Is anyone with Lion and the new XCode installed Able to program with OpenGL 3?

If you can then I'm going to install Lion on my Air...(I'm new to OpenGL but apparently you cant program in OpenGL 3 on Mac?)

 

[Amazing Iceman]

And I've screwed up way more using a GUI than the command line. It's so easy to slip and move a folder into another one, the wrong one, and having slipped, not noticing which folder it went into.

I hate file managers. But seriously, Finder is just different than Explorer. Rather than wanting to make Explorer.app on Mac, people just need to learn Finder. Being stuck in your ways and refusing to do things differently and in the process, maybe learn about more efficient methods of doing things won't ever let you improve.

I think Finder's drag & drop is good enough for a move. Accross volumes, you're better off copying first, to make sure everything makes it intact before you delete the source. It's just "safer". Anyway, isn't all this moot ? Apple is caving in and implementing cut & paste.

Well buddy, you may need to improve your mouse skills a bit.
You can't deny the GUs and File Managers, as these are now a must have for most computers.

Knowing both very well could work at your advantage.

 

[Cubert]

Yes, bought my first Mac a month ago, and Cut&Paste and Auto Align are things I really miss too.

Before you start with "But there is Cut&Paste", I'm not talking about Cut&Paste in TextEdit but in the Finder, always opening two Finder windows to move a file is quite annoying.

There IS auto-align. In any folder go to "view options" (under the "view" menu - or hit command-j). You'll find "snap to grid".

 

[KnightWRX]

Well buddy, you may need to improve your mouse skills a bit.

I think my mouse skills are quite alright after 20 odd years of using them. Remember Serial port mice with DOS TSRs like mouse.com ? I do... I remember swapping out jumpers on my modem so it wouldn't conflict with my serial port card that the mouse connected to and then being stuck swapping out jumpers on my Sound Blaster card (yes, an original Sound Blaster 8 bit card, not even a II) to make it all work at the same time (hey, RipTerm was nice for some things... LOD (Land of Devastation) was just that much better in full RIP graphics glory).

I remember how hard Sierra adventure games became when you couldn't just type out stuff in them anymore, curse those VGA ports that became a hunt for pixels instead of proper thinking games.

The only good file manager I ever used I think was Norton Commander. + *.* enter, COPY. It's all downhill from there. Anyway, Norton Commander was only so good because DOS's command.com was a horrid shell. When I discovered the world of Unix shells, I was amazed how much I missed the command line and how good it could be.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I think my mouse skills are quite alright after 20 odd years of using them. Remember Serial port mice with DOS TSRs like mouse.com ? I do... I remember swapping out jumpers on my modem so it wouldn't conflict with my serial port card that the mouse connected to and then being stuck swapping out jumpers on my Sound Blaster card (yes, an original Sound Blaster 8 bit card, not even a II) to make it all work at the same time (hey, RipTerm was nice for some things... LOD (Land of Devastation) was just that much better in full RIP graphics glory).

And may those god awful days continue to die forever. I can remember my dad trying to teach me how to do all that. I just wanted to play games on the damn thing.

I remember how hard Sierra adventure games became when you couldn't just type out stuff in them anymore, curse those VGA ports that became a hunt for pixels instead of proper thinking games.

Games don't need to be a thinking game to be fun, stimulating or challenging.

 

[jeanRick]

For the people talking about missing cut and paste, it seems it has made it to Lion in this last update. I came across this on some tech forums. Can anyone confirm?

To "cut" a file simply copy it (cmd + C) > Go to whatever folder you want to move it to > Hit cmd + option + V. Or in the Menu Bar hold down option and "Paste" will change to "Move Item Here".

 

[Zc456]

Cut and paste is really overrated. I can't remember the last time I wanted it for moving my files.

... Find that hard to believe. Copy and pasting is used for text too.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I think my mouse skills are quite alright after 20 odd years of using them. Remember Serial port mice with DOS TSRs like mouse.com ? I do... I remember swapping out jumpers on my modem so it wouldn't conflict with my serial port card that the mouse connected to and then being stuck swapping out jumpers on my Sound Blaster card (yes, an original Sound Blaster 8 bit card, not even a II) to make it all work at the same time (hey, RipTerm was nice for some things... LOD (Land of Devastation) was just that much better in full RIP graphics glory).

I remember how hard Sierra adventure games became when you couldn't just type out stuff in them anymore, curse those VGA ports that became a hunt for pixels instead of proper thinking games.

The only good file manager I ever used I think was Norton Commander. + *.* enter, COPY. It's all downhill from there. Anyway, Norton Commander was only so good because DOS's command.com was a horrid shell. When I discovered the world of Unix shells, I was amazed how much I missed the command line and how good it could be.

Lol.. The good old days...my eyes are watery. 
I don't recall having a Mouse on my first Tandy 1000 in the beginning. There was not much use for it. Everything was keyboard shortcuts.
I do remember slicing my thumb with the metal shield every time I tried to add/remove an internal device.
My first sound card was the Sound Blaster Pro. Not bad... It was amazing with free joystick and MIDI ports!

I also remember using MASM 1.0 and Lattice C 1.0 compile code I used to write using a TSR utility called Sidekick.

There was and still there is Midnight Commander for Unix, heheh!

And connectivity meant modem to BBS, at super slow speeds.

 

[dethmaShine]

... Find that hard to believe. Copy and pasting is used for text too.

Well, my keyboard has 10 extra keys to mess with the text.

Commands like 'open', 'find', 'again', 'undo', 'paste','cut','copy', 'stop', etc are located on the keyboard itself. SunOS treats these very well, so I am okay with these.

As for Mac OS X, it does understand cut/paste for text as professionals any normal users use it a lot.

I use, cut and paste almost every where in text; whether I am using emacs/nedit/Xcode/Netbeans or during my report writing.

So, I am ok with cut/paste with text.

But in the recent times, I have even seen myself using copy/paste for text as I am more comfortable with it.

Hope you get my point?

 

[ssdeg7]

For the people talking about missing cut and paste, it seems it has made it to Lion in this last update. I came across this on some tech forums. Can anyone confirm?

In the latest developer preview Cut is not enabled

 

[jeanRick]

In the latest developer preview Cut is not enabled

I'm not sure you got what I was saying... You copy the file as normal with Cmd-C but then instead of pasting normally u press Cmd-Opt-V and paste becomes move, which is essentially cut and paste.

 

[ssdeg7]

I'm not sure you got what I was saying... You copy the file as normal with Cmd-C but then instead of pasting normally u press Cmd-Opt-V and paste becomes move, which is essentially cut and paste.

Yes, it's true, sorry, it works

 

[ethank]

heya,

Drat, four finger swipe down for application Expose is gone.

Weird, now there's no quick gesture to trigger it anymore.

Anybody know why they would have removed that?

Cheers,
Victor

A confirmed bug. I think lots of expose is broken (icon expose, etc)

 

[ssdeg7]

A confirmed bug. I think lots of expose is broken (icon expose, etc)

Are you sure it's a bug?

I was asking the same, I hope it gets fixed soon, I really liked using four fingers down to see current app windows.

 

[Solowalker]

Bummer. Merge in Finder seems to be gone.

 

[Solowalker]

Are you sure it's a bug?

I was asking the same, I hope it gets fixed soon, I really liked using four fingers down to see current app windows.

It may be a bug. But in my experience it's not entirely disabled, just doesn't work when the app only has 1 window open. I hope that's not on purpose. It's a better user experience to have the normal Exposé function even with 1 window so this kind of "is it broken?" thing doesn't happen.

 

[iBug2]

Well the whole power user and not using GUI thing must end. I'm a power user and I use GUI as much as I use bash.

GUI is faster on some tasks, bash is faster and better on others.

And nobody is supposed to learn bash, Apple is selling GUI, not bash. So Apple is responsible to make the GUI more usable and faster.

And Cut is one of those things that will speed up certain things, because file copying is done faster in GUI than in bash.

Bash is only good to copy a huge amount of files and you don't trust finder to not crash during that time.

About mouse skills, not every power user I met has good enough mouse skills, not at all. The biggest power user I know, and this is a guy who used to compile kernels when nobody knew what DOS was, and he still sucks with mouse to this day. I can navigate infinitely faster than he can on GUI.

Good mouse skills come only with insane amounts of gaming, and he didn't game at all.

 

[iBug2]

True, nobody was born a Power User. We were all Novices in the beginning, and worked our way to become Power Users.

So why some like to scare those who want to learn telling them using the console is dangerous, etc.??

KnightWRX is trying to educate Novices into learning new ways to use their Macs. It's up to each person in this forum to decide whether they want to learn or not.
Will there be any risks? Of course! We all screwed up during the learning process, didn't we?

And I suppose people who were born into computers are 100% of OS X users? Remember most Apple users are middle aged people+ who don't really have any time to become power users, they don't even know how to use GUI decently.

What you suggest is only possible for young people who have enough time on their hands to "play" with their OS's. Which is a minority.

 

[iBug2]

Fear of learning something new.

It has nothing to do with fear of learning something new. For it to become fear of learning something new, that something has to come first in priority. And it doesn't.

Fear of learning something new is the biggest plague among computer users, that's true. But it's fear of learning which is actually much more useful than learning bash. For architects, it's fear of learning Autocad, for graphics artists, it's fear of letting go Freehand and learning Illustrator already, for 3D artists, it's fear of learning Maya plugins etc.

Those things are much more crucial to someones workflow than learning how to batch rename in bash. And if someone had the patience to learn all that, and then decides to become a power user in addition, then it'll be "fear" of learning bash which might prevent him/her.

So not becoming a power user is basically due to it being absolutely unimportant and irrelevant for the majority. People buy macs to get work done, so learning the apps which help their work comes first, and that never finishes anyway, there's always some new app or new trick to learn.

 

[KnightWRX]

Which are much more crucial to someones workflow than learning how to batch rename in bash.

None of those are more crucial to my workflow. You are generalizing in dangerous territory. Bash is as useful and powerful a tool as Illustrator, Autocad, Maya etc.

The point is, anyone telling me Bash is dangerous is afraid. That is what I was responding to, someone saying ls and cd were dangerous commands. Context.