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I don't have a MBP but how could anyone rate this negative? This is an improvement makes it better.
 
Firmware upgrade results with Intel x25 drive

Thank You Apple ! Here is my xbench disk test before and after :) and to all those posters who said there is no difference stop whining - you were wrong.

I have a 13" 2.53GHz, 4gb, X25 160gb drive

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Yay, something no one will ever notice is back! :p I have a 2007 SR 2.2 GHZ mbp, and it has a 1.5 g/s interface... so I can't imagine they have been using 3 g/s for "many years" as posted in another news article.
 
Thank You Apple ! Here is my xbench disk test before and after :) and to all those posters who said there is no difference stop whining - you were wrong.

I have a 13" 2.53GHz, 4gb, X25 160gb drive

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(In the style of McGee from NCIS) Sweet.

Anyways, I still don't get why Apple capped it. Sure, many current hard drives can't saturate the bus, but that doesn't mean hard drives will never be able to do it. Just look at the benchmarks.
 
I have a new 13inch MBP and I upgraded the HD to a 500Gig 7200 Seagate Momentous that has a SATA 3Gb/s and 16MB Cache. Will I see any difference? I don't know crap about HD's.
 
Good job, Apple! Sure that people who waited just that little bit longer for these updated models will be feeling slightly better (unlike me who had to get one in April). Glad that all that whining shall be put to bed. ;)
 
Good thing they released this. But the way the release note is constructed says it all. It sounds like "Damn, they discovered that we downgraded it. Let's make it appear that we listen to our customers and we want to give them what they ask...but we don't want to support it. Pfew, we dodged that ball good huh Phil"

That or the the quality control was having a party the day they were meant to be checking this portion of the system :). I don't think they would be daft enough to make the assumption that no one would check the speeds and they could quietly patch it later? These days the devices are pulled apart with in hours of getting in the hands of some testers.

It would seem... odd... to deliberately cripple the system like this, you would think it would be more work/potential for issues to cripple it than to just leave it as is.
 
Congrats, whiners.

Finally, a solution to a problem that never existed!!!

Too bad people got in such an un-needed uproar.

A problem that never existed? Whiners? "unneeded uproar" ?

Is that what it is called when Apple introduces new versions of their "pro" laptops that quietly remove a feature that has been standard on most PCs for years that leads to a 50% performance reduction for non-Apple SSD users without even mentioning it?

I'm sick of all the Apple apologists that bend over backwards to make excuses for their mistakes and denigrate those who are seeking solutions. You are the ones who give Apple enthusiasts a bad name!

This was a legitimate issue, and that is why Apple fixed it. It was a completely unacceptable move, but thankfully it looks like it was a simple mistake. Kudos to Apple for resolving it so quickly.

That's odd though, as I am sure even the optional SSD upgrades that Apple sells could saturate a 1.5Gbps SATA I connection....

Apparently, Apple is admitting how slow their OEM SSDs are. Last I looked, they were using older Samsung drives with the old controller that don't do much over 100MB/sec maximum in read or write speeds. Anyone wanting an SSD should steer clear of the rip-off drives Apple sells BTO.


if the speed has been bumped back up to 3, that means its going to drain more battery. wtf apple, fix problem now, please downgrade to 1.5!

The power usage of a SATA controller is negligible. We are talking a change of a few hundreds milliwatts here.

Sata II ran just fine, you just wouldn't get speed in excess of 1.5 Gbps. Which Apple hasn't offered.... very few drives (the most common one being the fastest Intel SSDs) can do that. And none that Apple has sold yet.

You know your stuff, huh? here are some of the "very few" drives that have a sequential read and/or write speed of over 150MB/sec. This list is not complete.

  • Corsair P256
  • OCZ Summit
  • Samsung PB22-J
  • SuperTalent Masterdrive SX
  • OCZ Vertex
  • OCZ Vertex EX (SLC)
  • OCZ Agility
  • SuperTalent Ultradrive ME
  • SuperTalent Ultradrive LE (SLC)
  • G.Skill Falcon
  • Patriot Torqx
  • RunCore Pro IV
  • Solidata K5 (SLC)
  • Solidata K6
  • Intel X25M
  • Intel X25E (SLC)
  • Kingston SSDNow M
  • PQI X25M
  • OCZ Apex
  • G.Skill Titan
  • Patriot Warp v3
  • Solidata X1 (SLC)
  • Solidata X2
  • SuperTalent MasterDrive RX
 
This is just freaking great! I applied the update from software update and followed the directions after and now my machine won't boot!!

When it boots it just flashes between apple logo, folder with a question mark and a circle with a line through it! This is just freaking fantastic!! And of course there is no AppleCare after 10pm. I'm so damn upset right now!!
 
sorry just a simple question. after downloading and installing the firmware update? can i delete it from my utilities folder? will deleting it 'undo' the update? sorry. just switched to mac, know nuts about mac system. i know its just 9MB, but yea with only 160GB plus a windows partition, i need all the space i can get. thanks in advance :)
 
SATA II Western Digital 320GB, 16MB Cache, 7200rpm

Figured I'd throw this in for comparison. The SSD's are getting WAY better scores however the EFI update seems to have given my machine (2.53GHz 13" Macbook Pro) a modest performance bump.
 

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Does anyone know how to recover from this so I can at least boot the computer! I'm out of town for school for a week with no other computer with a presentation due Friday! There is no Apple store here and I have no Apple CDs. I'm stuck to posting o. My iPhone and trying to find a solution on google. I also work during the day and AppleCare isn't even open now! Help please!

This is just freaking great! I applied the update from software update and followed the directions after and now my machine won't boot!!

When it boots it just flashes between apple logo, folder with a question mark and a circle with a line through it! This is just freaking fantastic!! And of course there is no AppleCare after 10pm. I'm so damn upset right now!!
 
Awesome! All those complaints just went "Poof"! :p :cool:
Nope. All those with complaints are vindicated!

So basically Apple dumbed down the 3.0 interface because they don't sell 3.0 hard drives..Makes sense. Too bad people got in such an un-needed uproar.
Unneeded? Perhaps it is the uproar that caused Apple to act.

Congrats, whiners.
Thank you. BTW, petitioning is not whining. The complaint was legitimate. Again, thank you.
 
Pram ?

Does anyone know how to recover from this so I can at least boot the computer! I'm out of town for school for a week with no other computer with a presentation due Friday! There is no Apple store here and I have no Apple CDs. I'm stuck to posting o. My iPhone and trying to find a solution on google. I also work during the day and AppleCare isn't even open now! Help please!

didn't somebody on this thread report a similar problem? S/He solved it by resetting the PRAM

from apple's website:

Resetting PRAM and NVRAM
Shut down the computer.
Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
Turn on the computer.
Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.
Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.
Release the keys.
Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
 
My theory is that the driver developers simply introduced a bug into their code, and Apple is trying to save face by saying they "don't sell SATA 3.0 drives."
More likely that they just didn't get around to certifying the 3Gbps modes by shipping time, and pushed it out the door with just the 1.5Gbps mode functional, since all the stock hardware would be unaffected by it and could sit it out until an update could be released.
hmm I wonder if this update can uncap my non unibody MBP?
No.
Is that what it is called when Apple introduces new versions of their "pro" laptops that quietly remove a feature that has been standard on most PCs for years that leads to a 50% performance reduction for non-Apple SSD users without even mentioning it?
To be accurate, it's about a 33% performance penalty, worst-case with the modern crop of SSDs (typically peaking in the 220MB range), and there's no evidence that it was a planned, permanent crippling. It was an issue; it's been corrected.

I agree that it was a noteworthy problem, but neither the biggest whiners nor the biggest defenders are entirely correct.

It's much like the inclusion of the SD slot. I'm annoyed by it, since I use exactly nothing with SD cards, but since almost no one used the ExpressCard slot on the 15" models, I can see why it would be attractive to remove, and why SD might win out over CF, which is slowly dying as even DSLRs move to other, newer formats like SDHC. But there are people who applaud the move with no personal stake (which makes no sense), and people who kick and scream over the lost slot they most likely didn't use, either.

Any change is going to inconvenience someone. In this case, it was a tiny number of people using aftermarket SSDs. With EC, it's people using it for a Firewire bus that can't be replaced with a USB EC adapter.
 
After doing this... Waiting for the second tone to release I get the same flashing logo and then finally a screen with some text (like singler user mode) then it gets an overlay with the.., "you need to restart your computer." if I restart I just get the flashing logo again and the machine never boots. Any other help??!

didn't somebody on this thread report a similar problem? S/He solved it by resetting the PRAM

from apple's website:

Resetting PRAM and NVRAM
Shut down the computer.
Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
Turn on the computer.
Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.
Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.
Release the keys.
Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
 
Apple forums

After doing this... Waiting for the second tone to release I get the same flashing logo and then finally a screen with some text (like singler user mode) then it gets an overlay with the.., "you need to restart your computer." if I restart I just get the flashing logo again and the machine never boots. Any other help??!

sorry, I have no advice, other than taking you problem to the apple forum dedicated to this issue: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2036732&start=105&tstart=0

good luck!
 
Sounds like the opposite according to Apple :

"While this update allows drives to use transfer rates greater than 1.5Gbps, Apple has not qualified or offered these drives for Mac notebooks and their use is unsupported."

If it works who cares & if it didn't then we can get our help from our normal non Apple sources.
 
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