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I had that pro even got new installer and it was still RC 2 finally got it this morning UK time don’t know how someone else misted they had a small delta update. Get VMware fusion player create a virtual Mac Catalina then update that to get new installer right click get info and it should be version 16.1.03 created nov 6 or 7
There are much easier ways to get the installer. It can be downloaded through the App Store, or use a tool like gibMacOS...
 
I didn’t notice this change, but it looks like they want the menu items aligned with the menu title now. Can’t have both things aligned at once without adjusting the spacing, so one of the alignments has to give. Personal preferences will vary, but I think it looks better this way...probably because I saw it this way first after needing to compare it to Catalina to see what the heck people were talking about.
Well, that makes sense.:)
 
I finally finished upgrading my MBP 16 to Big Sur. This is the first time I've ever said to myself, "I wished I waited to upgrade."

My biggest pain point is that my McAfee Multi-Access (which I got from Cox) won't play nice with it. The firewall and real-time scanning haven't been upgraded to Big Sur, so I keep getting pop-up messages saying, "Allow us to continue your setup" by clicking Allow for components it doesn't have available. The new notifications are also a source of constant interruption. I'm not getting what the big deal is about the new UI design. New icons? Rounded corners? So what?

My "sadder, but wiser" takeaway: Make sure your software has been updated to support Big Sur before you upgrade. And if you haven't upgraded yet, wait until they've shaken out the bugs before you do so. In my opinion, it's not fully baked yet.
 
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I don't get you guys that are saying this. Didn't you notice they blended the windowframe with the toolbar, *saving* space? In fact, what this does is finally frees the UI from the Windowframe elements which date back in UI design 35 years. We gained so much space back from this. This should become the standard across platforms and likely will.
Here is the side-by-side comparison of Catalina (left) and Big Sur (right). About half the height of menu bar is wasted.

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After a day of using the system, I've found this to be a noticeable step backwards. There was absolutely no need to do this to Finder. There is no possible usability-related reasoning for this. It's "hey, let's just change visual things for the sake of changing"...
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Here is the side-by-side comparison of Catalina (left) and Big Sur (right). About half the height of menu bar is wasted.

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Thank you for comparing apple to car parts. Uhm...you forgot to include the windowframe component which is now incorporated into the tools menu. Also, this is a really poor side-by-side comparison, graphically. You're not comparing the same elements at all.
 
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Thank you for comparing apple to car parts. Uhm...you forgot to include the windowframe component which is now incorporated into the tools menu. Also, this is a really poor side-by-side comparison, graphically. You're not comparing the same elements at all.
I have matched the heights of menu bar so that the two screen shots are in the same scale. I have no idea what you are looking at, but the vertical space for content display (in your words, same element) is obviously reduced in Big Sur.
 
Honestly, the tools menu in Finder is almost precisely the same size. The tools menu in Catalina is nominally taller by a hair.
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Honestly, the tools menu in Finder is almost precisely the same size. The tools menu in Catalina is nominally taller by a hair.View attachment 1665082
I guess we are talking about different apps. Yours is Finder and mine is Safari. The design of Big Sur Finder makes much more sense where your claim of saving space by "blending the windowframe with the toolbar" is true. In Catalina Finder, there is indeed waste of space as you pointed out.

However in Catalina Safari there is no such waste of space: the tools are already almost aligned to the top of the window. As a result the space is wasted in Big Sur Safari compared to Catalina Safari, which is kind of opposite to what happens to Finder app.

I made a larger comparison and hopefully it now makes sense for you after inspecting all the four designs: Catalina Safari and Finder + Big Sur Safari and Finder.

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I guess we are talking about different apps. Yours is Finder and mine is Safari. The design of Big Sur Finder makes much more sense where your claim of saving space by "blending the windowframe with the toolbar" is true. In Catalina Finder, there is indeed waste of space as you pointed out.

However in Catalina Safari there is no such waste of space: the tools are already almost aligned to the top of the window. As a result the space is wasted in Big Sur Safari compared to Catalina Safari, which is kind of opposite to what happens to Finder app.

I made a larger comparison and hopefully it now makes sense for you after inspecting all the four designs: Catalina Safari and Finder + Big Sur Safari and Finder.

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Yeah, I see it now insofar as Safari is concerned. I don't use Safari so it doesn't affect me. I can't stand the huge tabs and was never able to tell which one was active very well. I use dark mode and the Safari dark mode extension doesn't work nearly as well as Dark Reader, which is free for every Chromium-based browser. I'm not about to pay them money to see if it works as well in Safari. The Dark Mode extension in Safari, even in "softer dark mode" does a crap job rendering images. It really honks me off, too, Safari should be a shining example of Apple "innovation" and it really just doesn't compare well with other browsers and it hasn't in well over a decade, but I'm completely off-topic now.
 
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Same here, that background was really annoying. But I do not like the Big Sur wallpapers either. I think, the i ages look somewhat artificial and odd. I will stick with the Catalina wallpapers or maybe even High Sierra, which I still like best.
 
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Hands up, who's changed the desktop background? First thing i did. My eyes!
The dark mode version isn't too bad but I agree, I never cared for it all that much. I've never really liked any of Apple wallpaper choices even though they're chosen with contrast in mind for the white icon text on the desktop among other reasons. MS included really cool, if not necessarily hi-res wallpapers with Windows 10. Apple's walls have always been, well, boring.
 
I thought for the macOS system, the monitor pictures are called "Desktop Pictures" in System Preferences (even in macOS Big Sur). Seems like others in this thread needs to edit their posts.

The ones who call Desktop Pictures by any other name aren't really true Mac users. They really need to learn the Macintosh terminology.

I'm old school and will call Desktop Pictures as it is. Anybody else must know what the actual names are.

Others are confusing the issue.
 
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An update: Please conform to the macOS standards when talking about various macOS systems and it's correct Apple terminologies. macOS Big Sur carries forward the traditional nomenclature. Please conform to the Macintosh terminology standards. There are some of us that really don't know what your discussing.

All of us NEEDS to stay on same page. No need to confuse everybody. I've started with macOS 6.X series. Unless Apple changes their nomenclature for macOS, all of us needs to use the same conventions. Others who use other naming conventions, needs to change.
 
I thought for the macOS system, the monitor pictures are called "Desktop Pictures" in System Preferences (even in macOS Big Sur). Seems like others in this thread needs to edit their posts.

The ones who call Desktop Pictures by any other name aren't really true Mac users. They really need to learn the Macintosh terminology.

I'm old school and will call Desktop Pictures as it is. Anybody else must know what the actual names are.

Others are confusing the issue.
I've been using Macs since 1986 and adopted OS X in 2003. I call it "wallpaper" because that's the generic term and immediately understandable by users of all OSs. If you're here to demand we call it what you want instead of what we choose and tell experienced Mac users (and in many cases, developers) they don't know Mac terminology, you're barking up the wrong tree. If you're looking for Mac Wallpaper - if you do a search on "Mac Desktop Pictures" what Google returns is "Mac Wallpaper."

Some people...hzzzzz
 
I've been using Macs since 1986 and adopted OS X in 2003. I call it "wallpaper" because that's the generic term and immediately understandable by users of all OSs. If you're here to demand we call it what you want instead of what we choose and tell experienced Mac users (and in many cases, developers) they don't know Mac terminology, you're barking up the wrong tree. If you're looking for Mac Wallpaper - if you do a search on "Mac Desktop Pictures" what Google returns is "Mac Wallpaper."

Some people...hzzzzz
I don't use google as my search engine. I have some serious issues with that search engine.

Also the Mac developers needs to learn the correct Mac terminology.
 
Horrible UI. Toolbar is too thick and takes too much vertical space.
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True. On my MacBook Air the bar and the MacOS bar take like 1/3 of the screen. This thick bar is good for vertical phones and tablets, but absolute garbage for 16:9 and 16:10 monitors. Maybe a 4:3 monitor will be OK. Don't try to impose iOS design on a desktop system. If I wanted a crap UX I would have bought a $200 Windows computer.
 
True. On my MacBook Air the bar and the MacOS bar take like 1/3 of the screen. This thick bar is good for vertical phones and tablets, but absolute garbage for 16:9 and 16:10 monitors. Maybe a 4:3 monitor will be OK. Don't try to impose iOS design on a desktop system. If I wanted a crap UX I would have bought a $200 Windows computer.
go to system preferences Dock and menu Bar and used the controls there to just size.
 

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UI in Big Sur is fantastic. Finally I can distinguish UI elements from one another. I was very skeptical with their brightly colored promo materials, but now using it I can definitely say this is a vast visual improvement. It's gonna take a bit of time to get used to where items are located on menu bars but it feels like I can identify items much more quickly.

The roundedness is a nice touch as well. I though it looked cartoony from videos/photos but now using it the aesthetic is much more pleasing than I thought it would be.

I'm a simple user with a few extra apps (omni suite apps) and poweruser apps, but aside from having to reset once during installation (which immediately brought me to the login screen), it's been seamless so far.
 
I'm still getting "the requested version of macos is not available", and I've been trying for days. This is on my 2013 iMac. I have to search for it explicitly in the App Store. Then once I find it and press "Get", it takes me to system preferences with that error. The App Store listing says its compatible with my Mac.

My 2013 MacBook Pro was able to update ok to Big Sur a few days ago.

I read a post on here to disable auto-update to fix this issue. I did, but still get the same error. I also did a google search and the posts were mostly saying this was an apple server error (on Thursday) and has since been resolved.

Any ideas? Thanks.
 
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