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If i do internet recovery now will it do clean install of this version? Or is it better to create a bootsble usb stick with the installer?
 
Wait, you prefer to have an inaccurate gauge than, let's say, the more accurate percentage (which is still available)?
I would like both. I have found the estimated time remaining useful for years, even though I understand that its accuracy varies depending on changing load, so I've learned to take that into account anyway. I'm still going to be making the same mental calculation based on percentage, Apple has just decided not to do it for me, so we can all continue to pretend that a 25% smaller battery hasn't impacted the battery life.
 
Wait, you prefer to have an inaccurate gauge than, let's say, the more accurate percentage (which is still available)?
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You're trying to compare an OS update with the most homophobic xenophobic and racist person in history. That's the poorest way to back an argument.

I don't see how this is "sweeping stuff" under the rug. I mean what stuff being swept under the rug? I seriously ask.
It's not poor if it's accurate.
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I would like both. I have found the estimated time remaining useful for years, even though I understand that its accuracy varies depending on changing load, so I've learned to take that into account anyway. I'm still going to be making the same mental calculation based on percentage, Apple has just decided not to do it for me, so we can all continue to pretend that a 25% smaller battery hasn't impacted the battery life.
Well based on actual numbers and benchmarks it hasn't.
 
Fixed a problem where my new Macbook Pro would just crash when making large file transfers to an external disk. So that's good! :)
 
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Let's put things in perspective, tech companies are not doing us a favor, damn right these updates should be free, with all the beta testing, how come software is still of problems at launch (rhetorical question) when some of
Us r on mars & cant just rely on large updates, it's gotta be right 1st time, it's a lazy attitude nowerdays , 'ahh just bang it out whatever we can update it later'
 
I would like both. I have found the estimated time remaining useful for years, even though I understand that its accuracy varies depending on changing load, so I've learned to take that into account anyway. I'm still going to be making the same mental calculation based on percentage, Apple has just decided not to do it for me, so we can all continue to pretend that a 25% smaller battery hasn't impacted the battery life.
I don't think anybody is "pretending" about the battery life. This is an update to the OS, not a specific update for a hardware. The new Macbook Pro's battery life is not changing. Again, I don't see what is being swept "under the rug."

If Apple eliminated completely the percentage AND the battery information, then yes, that would be something "under the rug." Since Apple is only eliminating an inaccurate measurement, while leaving the more objective measurements intact, I don't see that sweeping something "under the rug," since there is nothing being hidden.
 
My Macbook Pro 15 inch with touchbar still crashes when editing in Adobe Premiere Pro. It happens when I preview footage that has effects, not in rendering. It is the same issue that I was having before. Did the update fix the graphic issue for anyone?
 
How is it accurate? Again, you'll be comparing an OS update with a despicable person. Only someone with the logic of a Trump supporter would try to equate irrelevant things.
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I don't think anybody is "pretending" about the battery life. This is an update to the OS, not a specific update for a hardware. The new Macbook Pro's battery life is not changing. Again, I don't see what is being swept "under the rug."

If Apple eliminated completely the percentage AND the battery information, then yes, that would be something "under the rug." Since Apple is only eliminating an inaccurate measurement, while leaving the more objective measurements intact, I don't see that sweeping something "under the rug," since there is nothing being hidden.
I don't think you
How is it accurate? Again, you'll be comparing an OS update with a despicable person. Only someone with the logic of a Trump supporter would try to equate irrelevant things.
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I don't think anybody is "pretending" about the battery life. This is an update to the OS, not a specific update for a hardware. The new Macbook Pro's battery life is not changing. Again, I don't see what is being swept "under the rug."

If Apple eliminated completely the percentage AND the battery information, then yes, that would be something "under the rug." Since Apple is only eliminating an inaccurate measurement, while leaving the more objective measurements intact, I don't see that sweeping something "under the rug," since there is nothing being hidden.
what are you on about. I'm just talking about misinformation. I'm not equating the 2. Are you dense? What so you think I'm trying to say.
 
My Macbook Pro 15 inch with touchbar still crashes when editing in Adobe Premiere Pro. It happens when I preview footage that has effects, not in rendering. It is the same issue that I was having before. Did the update fix the graphic issue for anyone?

I'm also having issues with Premiere. I'm having general performance issues. Im editing XAVC-I 25P UHD (something that worked just fine on my old iMac 2012) but I'm getting choppy playback. Not smooth enough for editing. Still no solution to this problem except transcoding to Prores (something I shouldn't have to do)
 
ON my 2011 mac mini, the install "hiccuped". After the "assumed" firmware update, the machine rebooted to a black screen where it froze. Let it sit for 15 minutes, no joy. Did a forced shutdown then restarted, the machine booted then continued installing an update. It then rebooted and restarted like normal. A little wonky and not completely "it just works" but not bad.
 
I haven't personally used the new touch bar MBPs, but on my 2014 retina I can safely say that the time remaining gauge has not been accurate since Sierra at all. Right now, I'm at 34%, browsing the web, with 1h remaining. I know from experience that with web browsing I get about an hour per 10-12%. so in reality I have around 3h remaining.

I'm not defending Apple here, this is clearly an attempt to sweep it under the rug, but I can see why they've done it. In the infamous "car fuel gauge" example that's floating around, this is more akin to removing the "range" indicator from a car, leaving just the regular fuel gauge, because the range meter underestimates how far the remaining fuel will get you.

That said, I'm basing this on an older MBP, not the new Touch Bar.
Yes, if the "range" indicator isn't accurate and thus misleading then why would anyone want to see it showing something? The fuel gauge is there and that is the main measurement when it comes to it all. How is something being swept under anything when nothing about how long the fuel actually lasts is changed and only something that isn't reliable is removed--if anything things are made more clear and less misleading.
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I would like both. I have found the estimated time remaining useful for years, even though I understand that its accuracy varies depending on changing load, so I've learned to take that into account anyway. I'm still going to be making the same mental calculation based on percentage, Apple has just decided not to do it for me, so we can all continue to pretend that a 25% smaller battery hasn't impacted the battery life.
Battery still lasts as long as it does with or without that estimate. Nothing changed without it being there when it comes to that. It doesn't make it easier to pretend anything or hide something. Simply something that wasn't providing worthwhile information (since it wasn't close enough to being accurate/good) has been removed so that people wouldn't be mislead by incorrect information.
 
As a workaround, the remaining time indicator is still available in the Activity Monitor app.
 
Installed on a late 2016 15" tbMBP and seems to have resolved the graphics issues as well as system crashing during large file transfers to external drives.

Also fixed some UI bugginess within the touch bar.
 
Fixed my problem of waking from sleep with a NAS drive still connected (I connect as guest, so don't know if it's fixed the keychain problems others were having)

Battery seems more stable.
Lost 3% sleeping overnight (69% to 66%) (no apps running, wifi still active), which is better than before.

Now at work I'm running twitter that auto updates, a safari tab with the spy page of macrumors auto updating :) , and am streaming radio w/ bluetooth powerbeats3 from another safari page. Also updating Calibre with some Amazon books I've purchased.

Battery has gone down 18% in an hour (started at 65%, now at 47%), which is actually better than before. I would expect streaming radio to do that.
 
Does your iPad have Videos app?

Mine doesn't as it got removed on its own. And I cannot download it from the App Store.

Not the Video app as it was before the update . Now it's TV app and my movie went there .
 
Wait so do you know for sure there is a firmware update or just making an educated guess about it?
I know for sure. There is a firmware update package in the 10.12.2 installer package. It covers a lot of MacBook Pros, Mac Minis, etc.
 



Apple today released macOS Sierra 10.12.2, the second update to the macOS Sierra operating system that launched on September 20. macOS Sierra 10.12.2 comes two months after the release of macOS Sierra 10.12.1, and has been in testing since October 31.

macOS Sierra 10.12.2 is a free update for all customers who are running macOS Sierra. The update can be downloaded using the Software Update function in the Mac App Store.

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macOS Sierra 10.12.2 includes new emoji, introducing dozens of Unicode 9 characters like selfie, face palm, owl, shark, avocado, pancakes, bacon, and more, plus there are new profession emoji available in both make and female genders.

Apple has also updated the artwork on many existing emoji to make them look more realistic, and new color explosion wallpapers -- from the iPhone marketing materials -- have been introduced.

Along with these outward-facing changes, the 10.12.2 update includes several important bug fixes. A serious graphics issue that has been affecting some new MacBook Pro owners has been solved, and a bug that caused System Integrity Protection to be disabled, also impacting the new MacBook Pro, has been fixed. A full list of bug fixes and improvements is below:macOS Sierra is the latest Mac operating system. It includes Siri support, Apple Pay for the web, Universal Clipboard, Apple Watch auto unlocking, improved iCloud Drive integration, Picture-in-Picture multitasking, and dozens of smaller features that can be found in our macOS Sierra roundup.

Article Link: Apple Releases macOS Sierra 10.12.2 With New Emoji, Fixes for Graphics Issue and SIP Bug
 
If i do internet recovery now will it do clean install of this version? Or is it better to create a bootsble usb stick with the installer?

If you command-r boot to recovery and erase the drive then reinstall, you will get this new version. There is no need to create a USB installer to get a clean install.
 
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