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Would everyone here call 13.0.1 safe to jump to? My MBP is on Monterey, and just went to 12.6.1. I know it isn't even a day in, but for those running it, would you call 13.0.1 stable enough to make the jump to?

BL.
 
Data shows that Apple supports N-2, meaning you can still run Big Sur and expect security fixes.

Apple recently acknowledged that in fact it does *not* fully patch security holes in N-1 and N-2 releases of macOS. The following is an excerpt from an Apple support document updated last month:

Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any current version of macOS (for example, macOS 13), not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions (for example, macOS 12).

Howard Oakley and Joshua Long have written about this, see
and

The bottom line seems to be that in fact one can not run anything less than the current major version of macOS and expect a fully patched system.
 
Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
Could not agree more. My use of macOS is for C++ development. Here it is the major pain at every OS major update:
  • reinstall xcode (~2 hours)
  • completely uninstall old macports (~ 15 minutes)
  • reinstall macports core for the new OS and reinstall/rebuild all the macports previously installed (~ 6 hours)
    • there are always two or three ports that fail to build under the new OS; usually it takes 2-3 days in loop with the maintiner to fix the issue
  • rebuild all my libraries with the new system (this could be lengthy as well; for example, opencascade takes about 1 hour)
Basically, when I upgraded to Ventura few days ago, I could not work for about 3 days.
 
I was having issues with the original release With flaky BlueTooth, and switching output to USB wired headphone amplifier/DAC, and then trying to switch to HomePod duo. I have this update fixes this.
 
This is a long download process. I'm not sure I like the new way of getting the software update. This is making me wish I can go back to Monterey.
 
Not for nothing, but Linux doesn't run off of an Ubuntu release cycle, let alone the multiple distributions of Linux RHEL and CentOS certainly don't, Debian doesn't, Slackware never has, and Arch and Mint definitely don't.



Heh. Then Linux isn't the path for you, especially when you look at what it truly is: the kernel. In a period of 27 days, there were 7 releases of the Linux kernel, and that was just October alone. Oh; and that is the STABLE release branch.

Trust me (I'm a now 30 year long Linux sysadmin), MacOS is a hell of a lot more stable than what you think or are making it out to be.

BL.
15 year veteran here too. Yes, Linux was good back in the day.

Curious to know how you're administrating multiple MacOS/iOS devices now ?
 
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Apart from the well known issues with Calendar synchronisation with Exchange that Ventura had since Beta1, another issue that is still present in 13.0.1 is that Microsoft Teams and Cisco Webex URLs in Calendar Events are not parsed properly, and therefore you cannot join a meeting by simply pressing the Join button. Instead, you have to copy them in Safari, strip the URL from and words preceding "https://" and then join the meeting. Or simply use MS Outlook. In Monterey and older versions this was working flawlessly. I am surprised that Apple did not fix this in 13.0.1 because it is very annoying and theoretically easy to fix.
 
15 year veteran here too. Yes, Linux was good back in the day.

Curious to know how you're administering multiple MacOS/iOS devices now ?

Funnily enough, what I am doing for everything iPhone 8 Plus and lower, is using the Enterprise version of iTunes to handle app syncing and backups. Because that version of iTunes (12.6.5.3) doesn't have any profiles for anything newer than the 6s, I am using my M1 Pro MBP to update the OS with the full IPSW if needed. That's the only way I'm handling it.

My kids are on very old S/D iPhone 6s that have no sim card in it, so I'm moving them to the last iPod Touches that were released, and doing the same with that. But as I don't have to do anything enterprise wide with them, the last version of iTunes with the App store integrated into it works.

BL.
 
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Apple says only a subset of security fixes. And data (whatever that means) seems to support that.
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Hi,
I have been having issues with my Mac being very sluggish/laggy after waking from sleep in 13. Does anyone know if 13.0.1 does anything to address that?
 
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Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
With you on the potential of adding "gimmicks" via the store or similar... but indicating you want something stable without regular updates is like saying "I want the best - The first time." The idea stands, but is unfeasible. Yeah, guys like Theo & Ian kinda made it "work", but came with too many limitations. The only constant is change.
 
I'm on a 2019 (intel) MBA and I'm still not seeing it. Says my Mac is up to date for 13.0. Was this Apple Silicon only?
 


Apple today released macOS Ventura 13.0.1, a minor update to the macOS Ventura operating system that was released in October. The new software comes two weeks after the official launch of Ventura.

Ventura-Macs-Feature-Yellow.jpg

The ‌macOS Ventura‌ update can be downloaded on eligible Macs using the Software Update section of System Settings.

macOS Ventura 13.0.1 is a bug fix update, and it addresses two security vulnerabilities that could allow for unexpected app termination or arbitrary code execution by a remote user. Neither was known to have been exploited in the wild.

Article Link: Apple Releases macOS Ventura 13.0.1 Update With Bug Fixes
Just updated to 13.0.1 on my 2 Macs (M1 and M2) and now some apps won't update (specifically Zoom and Sonos Controller). Is anyone else noticing this?
 
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Just updated to 13.0.1 on my 2 Macs (M1 and M2) and now some apps won't update (specifically Zoom and Sonos Controller). Is anyone else noticing this?
Zoom wasn't updating for me before the update to 13.0.1. I was actually hoping this update would fix that. It did not.

Edit: Quick fix... download directly - here
 
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I cannot get 13.0.1 to install on my 2018 mini. I have tried Software Update, command line software update, and downloaded the InstallAssitant.pkg... all state the update could not be prepared o_O. The 13.0.1 update ran flawlessly on my work 2020 M1 mini. So, I guess there is always 13.1.
 
Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
Stage Manager on macOS has been a really unexpectedly nice-to-have feature. Because Apple allows you to completely customize the size and location of the floating windows. I have sized my productivity apps to be just big enough so as not to cover up the apps open that are displayed on the left.
 
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