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Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
Hard agree. What's the fecking point of Stage Manager (anyone...? It is SO hard for me to suppress my urge to go full Brit on this forum). Why would I only want to view one open app at a time...? Who the feck at Apple signed this off...?! Obviously, I get the idea (and, yes, separate desktops did similar, but I always have had apps that would only open on the first and no other, so it wasn't really much use if I was working on something on a 2nd or 3rd, that is what I was HOPING SM would address and fix). SM, in its present form, is 🤬🤬🤬🤬.
 
I cannot get 13.0.1 to install on my 2018 mini. I have tried Software Update, command line software update, and downloaded the InstallAssitant.pkg... all state the update could not be prepared o_O. The 13.0.1 update ran flawlessly on my work 2020 M1 mini. So, I guess there is always 13.1.

I finally got 13.0.1 to install this morning, but I had to turn off Content Caching on my 2014 mini (running Big Sur). Also, the incremental update still failed so Software Update had to download the full 11+ GB update. Regardless, it installed!

Side note, I like having Content Caching enabled since we have enough devices that require updates it does save plenty of bandwidth from my ISP. So, I am going to upgrade my 2014 mini to Monterey to see if that resolves the issue.
 
Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
Actually, I wish Linux did what you claim. I'm running an LTS version of Ubuntu and I have to apply patches pretty much every time I log in, and they never solve all the issues I have. Add to that, there are something like a half dozen ways to install software, none of which are completely reliable and in fact fail in a surprisingly high percentage of the cases. I'll take Homebrew and the Apple installer any day of the year over a mish-mash of curl, rpm, apt, .... The fail rate is just nowhere near acceptable to me. And I don't "get" why Linux users accept or defend, or live in denial about this. If Microsoft or Apple released packages that fail as hard as these as often as these, people would be shouting bloody murder.

And there are many quite ordinary things that I consider part of my normal workflow, that are mind numbingly confusing to set up, and I generally don't have the time or patience to deal with them, nor the expertise to be confident that they are properly vetted for security issues.

In my experience, Linux advocates have a habit of comparing Windows and Mac not to Linux as it actually is, but Linux as advocates dream and claim it is. I've used Linux on and off for over 20 years. It's been in a perpetual state of "just about to arrive" or "just arrived" for the whole time. I have lots of gripes about Mac. I'd be on Linux in a heartbeat if it actually lived up to the claims.

I think Linux would actually be very well served if its users were honest and realistic about its shortcomings. If nobody faces them squarely, Linux will still be "just about to arrive" another 20 years from now.

And as for "gimmicks", that's generally what Linux advocates call features they don't appreciate, or don't yet have. I can remember a time in the 1990's when many Linux advocates objected to Gnome and KDE as attempts to corrupt Linux with Windows-inspired "gimmicks". I wouldn't mind if Linux actually implemented a few more "gimmicks".
 
Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
you already have this option. you simply use an older OS. looking at wikipedia, it seems as if Mojove got discontinued but Catalina got a security update 3 months ago and this OS is 3 years old. i suppose macOS only get support for about 3 years but you should be pretty confident in its stability a year after launch. if you don't need features and only need stability and security, you always have the option to upgrade anytime once every 1-3 years.
 
Well i just installed 13.0.1 on my EOL’d Catalina macbook pro 4 hours ago, no glitches in the basics 🤞. I was teetering between Linux, or continung to tread carefully with Catalina, time will tell I suppose.
 
Well i just installed 13.0.1 on my EOL’d Catalina macbook pro 4 hours ago, no glitches in the basics 🤞. I was teetering between Linux, or continung to tread carefully with Catalina, time will tell I suppose.
Go Linux mate. That's what I did with my 2012 Mac mini. I'm typing this running the Ubuntu LTS. It even has a dock like macOS.
 
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I installed it this morning, and was just rewarded with my first hard crash ever on my Mac Studio. Yay.

Hopefully it at least fixed my daily ethernet failure issue.

Looking forward to 13.0.2 I guess?
 
Ventura … Maybe I‘ll update in late summer 2023. Apple should really follow the Linux distribution path and offer LTS versions. It is a pain in the a** to upgrade every year just for some stupid gimmicks.

What I need is a stable OS that runs my software - i do not need an OS that changes every month and adds some new features and bugs. When I take all the features of the last 5 years, the text recognition in photos is something I really like.
Did I forget something? All the rest is just bloatware, something people should install using the AppStore.
Yep, and they REMOVE useful power features ffs.
 
Could not agree more. My use of macOS is for C++ development. Here it is the major pain at every OS major update:
  • reinstall xcode (~2 hours)
  • completely uninstall old macports (~ 15 minutes)
  • reinstall macports core for the new OS and reinstall/rebuild all the macports previously installed (~ 6 hours)
    • there are always two or three ports that fail to build under the new OS; usually it takes 2-3 days in loop with the maintiner to fix the issue
  • rebuild all my libraries with the new system (this could be lengthy as well; for example, opencascade takes about 1 hour)
Basically, when I upgraded to Ventura few days ago, I could not work for about 3 days.
I leave almost all data in iCloud, and have a Time Machine disc permanently plugged into my iMac.

Erase main HD and did a clean install of Ventura with Homebrew. No need to remove and reinstall, etc.
 
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Yes, between 13.0.1 and Malwarebytes releasing a Ventura compatible version the issue is fixed.
So I have to wait for Little Snitch to provide an update. I was hoping for Apple fixing this, but apparently the developers have to do something too.
 
So I have to wait for Little Snitch to provide an update. I was hoping for Apple fixing this, but apparently the developers have to do something too.
Little Snitch 5.5 is Ventura compatible. Little Snitch also doesn’t require full disk access to work.
 
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According to Little Snitches own website it doesn't work without manual solutions.
Do you have links for what you’re referring to? You’ll always have to approve the Little Snitch network extensions, but that’s a macOS requirement, not something to be fixed in Little Snitch. The bug with “Full disk access” not being applied is fixed in 13.0.1.
 
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